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Title: Quiz Time: (Hypothetical Question)
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Published: Apr 17, 2008
Author: Neil McIver
Post Date: 2008-04-17 21:33:40 by Pinguinite
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Views: 3013
Comments: 73

Okay, 4umers, quiz time.

I've got a hypothetical question for you. Suppose you were in a funny situation where you had the opportunity to reconstitute the 2nd Amendment, doing away with all 20,000 or so gun laws. The power was in your hands to make it so.

But there's one catch. In order to make this wish come true, you first had to pick up a gun, put it to the head of an innocent 7 year old girl, and pull the trigger, blowing her brains out. With that task completed, the 2nd Amendment would be restored all across America.

Would you do it? If your answer is "yes" then this quiz is over for you. You may resume your perusing of 4um and disregard the rest of the test.

If your answer is no, then we'll expand our hypothetical scenario.

After you refuse to kill this girl, someone else steps up and says "I am also interested in restoring the 2nd Amendment, and I am willing to do what must be done for you. If I am elected president, I will shoot this girl and then the 2nd Amendment will be restored".

Question: Do you vote for this man or not?

It would seem that some people here on 4um would happily endorse the death of this girl one way or another in order to restore 2nd Amendment rights. I am not one of those people, which is why a couple days ago I wrote the following:

For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

This apparently earned me the label of "gun grabber" in the minds of a few here.

I honestly don't know why. Honestly. Does the phrase "expense of lives of innocents" mean something other than "murder" to people here?

I really feel like I've entered the twilight zone. You know, where the whole world changes but you don't. In this case, it's like learning suddenly that a bunch of 4umers would indeed blow the brains of of a little girl if it helped to secure some of their own "liberties". I am really amazed that a number of people here take exception to my statement.

As this hypothetical scenario applies to the real world, if there was a pres candidate promising to work to fully restore the 2nd Amendment in the USA while simultaneously promising to bomb the rest of the world into oblivion, I could not in good conscious vote for him. Call me crazy or call me a gun grabber if you want, but if not being willing to kill this way makes me a gun grabber, then I hope I'm a gun grabber for life. But I would not, could not support such a "pro 2nd Amendment" candidate. Never.

If I am truly in the minority on this point on 4um, then perhaps I should resign my account and leave you all.

Thank you for reading.

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#22. To: Pinguinite (#0)

If I am elected president, I will shoot this girl and then the 2nd Amendment will be restored".

Give me the gun.... this is one SOB that does not need to be president of anything!

And what you are putting forth here is simply chosing the lessor of two evils..... it can never be done in good conscience. Stop voting and you stop validating THEIR system.

There really is no other solution, and the faster that Americans learn this serious lesson, the sooner solutions can be searched out and put to work.

richard9151  posted on  2008-04-17   22:33:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: richard9151 (#22)

And what you are putting forth here is simply chosing the lessor of two evils..... it can never be done in good conscience. Stop voting and you stop validating THEIR system.

Only one of the choices is proactive. The other (not shooting and not voting for that candidate) is passive, so it's not the lesser of 2 evils unless we say doing nothing in this case is evil. Maybe you would say the "good" thing is to take the gun and shoot the candidate who made such a promise?

As for voting=validating the system, perhaps idealistically, but in real life. That's because not voting A) for math reasons is not a practical means of making that statement and B) can actually serve to validate the vote as they can then say "You didn't vote so why are you complaining". So I must differ with you there.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-17   23:08:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Pinguinite (#29)

Maybe you would say the "good" thing is to take the gun and shoot the candidate who made such a promise?

That was my point, and why I asked for the gun.

As for voting=validating the system, perhaps idealistically, but in real life.

Oh, yes, in real life absolutely. Tell me, what does this mean?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, ... http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am14.html

And if you do not know, why would you be surprised at what has happened to America? Let me give you a clue; to be a subject is to be a piece of property. Care to guess what United States citizenship makes you? As in, 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'?

So please permit me to see if I understand:

First, 'they' pick two candidates and then let you worry and squirm and donate and then vote/chose who gets to represent 'them' for the next 4/8 years, and you do not understand why, no matter who is elected, nothing changes?!

Amazing.

Perhaps, someday, when you grow up, you will begin to understand the basis of insanity. When you continue to repeat some process over and over and over, always getting the same result, but still believing that if you just do it ONE MORE TIME something will change.......

As in those who donated millions and millions to Dr. Paul (who I happen to like) so that Dr. Paul could pay those millions and millions to the establishment press for air time.

And yet those same people, who donated millions and millions, can not even control who gets elected locally, and you still do not get it? what does it take to understand it is their system. It is not broke; IT IS THEIR SYSTEM, and you can not participate without being 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' and therefore being a slave.

Slaves have no rights; they depend on civil rights as determined by their betters/masters/rules.

But hey, what do I know?

richard9151  posted on  2008-04-18   10:54:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#50. To: richard9151 (#42)

And if you do not know, why would you be surprised at what has happened to America? Let me give you a clue; to be a subject is to be a piece of property. Care to guess what United States citizenship makes you? As in, 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'?

"Subject" is a word with at least 2 meanings. One is a noun and the other is a verb. As a noun, sure, it refers to property. But the 14th Amendment's use of the term in "subject to the jurisdiction" is certainly a verb.

I agree with much of what you say re: voting, though I do consider the system "broken". We could debate whether it's intentionally broken or not, but we can certainly agree that it's not working for the people.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-18 11:49:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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