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Title: Quiz Time: (Hypothetical Question)
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Published: Apr 17, 2008
Author: Neil McIver
Post Date: 2008-04-17 21:33:40 by Pinguinite
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Views: 1035
Comments: 73

Okay, 4umers, quiz time.

I've got a hypothetical question for you. Suppose you were in a funny situation where you had the opportunity to reconstitute the 2nd Amendment, doing away with all 20,000 or so gun laws. The power was in your hands to make it so.

But there's one catch. In order to make this wish come true, you first had to pick up a gun, put it to the head of an innocent 7 year old girl, and pull the trigger, blowing her brains out. With that task completed, the 2nd Amendment would be restored all across America.

Would you do it? If your answer is "yes" then this quiz is over for you. You may resume your perusing of 4um and disregard the rest of the test.

If your answer is no, then we'll expand our hypothetical scenario.

After you refuse to kill this girl, someone else steps up and says "I am also interested in restoring the 2nd Amendment, and I am willing to do what must be done for you. If I am elected president, I will shoot this girl and then the 2nd Amendment will be restored".

Question: Do you vote for this man or not?

It would seem that some people here on 4um would happily endorse the death of this girl one way or another in order to restore 2nd Amendment rights. I am not one of those people, which is why a couple days ago I wrote the following:

For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

This apparently earned me the label of "gun grabber" in the minds of a few here.

I honestly don't know why. Honestly. Does the phrase "expense of lives of innocents" mean something other than "murder" to people here?

I really feel like I've entered the twilight zone. You know, where the whole world changes but you don't. In this case, it's like learning suddenly that a bunch of 4umers would indeed blow the brains of of a little girl if it helped to secure some of their own "liberties". I am really amazed that a number of people here take exception to my statement.

As this hypothetical scenario applies to the real world, if there was a pres candidate promising to work to fully restore the 2nd Amendment in the USA while simultaneously promising to bomb the rest of the world into oblivion, I could not in good conscious vote for him. Call me crazy or call me a gun grabber if you want, but if not being willing to kill this way makes me a gun grabber, then I hope I'm a gun grabber for life. But I would not, could not support such a "pro 2nd Amendment" candidate. Never.

If I am truly in the minority on this point on 4um, then perhaps I should resign my account and leave you all.

Thank you for reading.

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#39. To: Pinguinite, all (#0)

That has got to be the dumbest "hypothetical question" I have ever seen. NO ONE would blow out the brains of a little girl FOR ANY REASON! WTF???

It is a dangerous world. Getting rid of firearms will not make it safer, it will make it more dangerous.

But I dont think you should leave just because you disagree with some, or some disagree with you.

You have the right to your beliefs, same as I do. But if you come for my firearms, bring a lunch, and get your casket ready.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-18   6:13:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: PSUSA (#39)

That has got to be the dumbest "hypothetical question" I have ever seen. NO ONE would blow out the brains of a little girl FOR ANY REASON! WTF???

Okay, thanks for taking the test, but please read the thread also. There is one person here who defies your prediction.

I actually agree that the test is pretty stupid. Three days ago, I would have agreed with your reaction. But it was nonetheless appropriate to post, unfortunately.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-18   10:18:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Pinguinite, PSUSA (#40)

NO ONE would blow out the brains of a little girl FOR ANY REASON! WTF???

Actually, it is a good question, if stated in a somewhat awkward manner.

A better way of putting it would be;

Would you vote for someone who would guarentee your 2nd Amendment rights knowing that that someone would then kill countless children as a means of doing so?

Because in reality, that is exactly what has happened to America since 1929, and every president since then is a mass murderer, many, many times over. Yet people continue to participate and vote for those murderers, and do not tell me that no one understands. Only fools can not look at history and see it repeat itself endlessly.

richard9151  posted on  2008-04-18   11:04:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: richard9151 (#43)

Would you vote for someone who would guarentee your 2nd Amendment rights knowing that that someone would then kill countless children as a means of doing so?

Yes.

1) His success is not guaranteed. It's hard to murder people if nearby people are armed. If only the criminals are armed, nothing can be done.

2) Gun control laws do not stop murderers.

"Yet people continue to participate and vote for those murderers, and do not tell me that no one understands. "

It has been my contention for years that individuals can be smart, but people are stupid. The smart ones should not have to suffer the same fate as the stupid. So, we keep the firearms, no matter what the "law" says.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-18   11:15:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: PSUSA (#44)

Yes.

1) His success is not guaranteed. It's hard to murder people if nearby people are armed. If only the criminals are armed, nothing can be done.

Please assume the child is a metaphor for the Iranian populous, and the 2A promises only for the American people. Would you still answer 'yes'?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-18   12:09:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#53. To: Pinguinite (#52)

Please assume the child is a metaphor for the Iranian populous, and the 2A promises only for the American people. Would you still answer 'yes'?

Maybe I am just dense today. I dont know what you are getting at.

Iran is quite capable of defending themselves. In fact, if we attack, then there is a good chance Iran will beat us, and the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan will go on the offensive. I know that is what I would do, if I was in charge of the insurgencies. Juba and the boyz will have a field day!

If you are wondering if I would vote for someone that would "guarantee" 2A rights, but attack Iran, I'd tell him/her to go fuck himself/herself, and that they may as well go ahead and outlaw all firearms. Then, let the games begin.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-18 12:18:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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