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Title: US Government, Talmud Mock New Testament
Source: Reese.com
URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general81/talmock.htm
Published: Apr 18, 2008
Author: Ted Pike
Post Date: 2008-04-18 00:36:22 by Zoroaster
Keywords: None
Views: 1278
Comments: 84

US Government, Talmud Mock New Testament By Rev. Ted Pike 4-17-8

The U.S. State Dept.'s Office of Global Anti-Semitism now says the New Testament is a book of conspiracy theory! Yes, our government now rules that the Biblical record that Jews had Christ crucified is not only anti-Semitic; it's conspiracy junk. This step toward criminalization of Christian beliefs directly threatens believers. It is also an act of blatant hypocrisy: While the New Testament is derided as "hate speech," not a word is said about the seething hatred contained in Judaism's most sacred book, the Talmud.

The State Department reports, "The tactics of many anti-Semitic groups include the propagation of conspiracy theories Traditional conspiracy theories" include the belief "that the Jews are responsible for the death of Christ." 1 For tens of millions, the New Testament is anything but conspiracy theory! It's the written Word of God.

But now our State Department says the New Testament account of Christ's passion, culminating in rejection by the Jewish people and crucifixion by the Romans, is akin to the other conspiracy theories that inspired Hitler to attempt to destroy Jews. My previous article, "Bible is Hate, Says U.S. Government," documents the State Department's other charge: that the New Testament espouses "classic anti-Semitism." 2

Hitler is rightly considered a classic anti-Semite. But the State Department, in also labelling the New Testament "classic anti-Semitism," suggests it is morally and intellectually similar to Nazism. This implies the New Testament could lead to yet another Holocaust! This premise, legislated into "anti-hate" laws, will justify persecution of Bible-believers as "anti-Semites." After all, it will be reasoned, people with hateful ideologies, leading to violence against Jews should be restricted, even imprisoned.

Talmud Tells Us Who Killed Christ

Abraham H. Foxman, head of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League, couldn't agree more with the State Department. His organization is the prime mover behind hate laws worldwide and the Office of Global Anti-Semitism. Foxman asserts that Jews of Jesus' time were innocent of the crucifixion; it was entirely the work of Romans. Foxman says New Testament writers concocted the vicious anti-Semitic lie that Jewish leaders and people goaded Pilate to condemn Christ. He says this falsehood - that Jews are "Christ killers"-fanned into flame nearly two millennia of anti-Semitism and led to the Holocaust. He also says it creates "new anti-Semitism" which he warns is rapidly escalating worldwide. 3 ADL's "anti-hate" laws have already been used in dozens of western nations to infringe on the freedom of Christians.

Foxman, as an Orthodox Jew, knows plenty about another book whose vitriol is far darker than that of the Bible. The highest religious and ethical authority of modern Judaism, the Babylonian Talmud, states that Jewish leaders did have Christ condemned to death. In fact, the Talmud says they did it entirely without the Romans' help! Jewish authorities killed Christ not by crucifixion (illegal in Jewish law) but by the legal methods prescribed by Talmudic law.

The Talmud says:

On Passover Eve, they hanged Jesus of Nazareth. And the herald went before him forty days, and proclaimed 'Jesus of Nazareth is going out to be stoned because he practiced sorcery, incited and led Israel astray. Whoever knows of an argument that may be proposed in his favor should come present that argument on his behalf.' But the judges did not find an argument in his favor, and so they hanged him on Passover Eve. 4

The Talmud describes torture inflicted on Jesus before His death. "All four legal methods of execution ­ stoning, burning, decapitation and strangling were employed". 5 The Talmud elaborates on "burning." It involved Jesus being:

"lowered in dung up to his armpits, then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound around his neck and the two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead, forcing him to open his mouth. A wick was then lit, and thrown into his mouth, so that it descended into his body, burning his bowels." 6

Jesus, says the Talmud, was excommunicated for the thought of seducing a woman. In His ensuing grief and confusion, He fell down and worshipped a brick. 7 The Talmud says Jesus "was a fool and we do not pay attention to what fools do." 8 According to the Talmud, Jesus is now in hell, writhing in eternal agony. The Talmud asks: "'What is your punishment?' He replied, 'With boiling hot semen'" 9

The Talmud defends the Jewish rulers who it says righteously executed four of Christ's disciples: Matthew, Luke, Nicodemus, and Thaddaeus. 10 It considers His followers to be worshippers of a false prophet and worthy of death. References in the Talmud to Christ and Christians are often veiled by terms not understood by Christian censors in previous centuries. Two of the most common are "Minim" and "Minith." The footnote to the Talmud in Abodah Zarah 16b (pg. 84) says that "Minith" refers to "heresy with special reference to Christianity."

Brotherly love did not extend to the Minim: Christians may be legally thrown into a pit to die. As Abodah Zarah 26b says: "'idolaters and [Jewish] Shepherds of small cattle need not be brought up, though they must not be cast in, but Minim, informers, and apostates may be cast in and need not be brought up.'" In Shabbethai 116, Rabbi Tarbon says, "The writings of the Minim [New Testament] deserve to be burned, even though the holy name of God occurs therein, for paganism is less dangerous than Minith [Christianity]"

According to the Talmud "Those who deny the Torah and the prophets of Israel [giving loyalty to the "false prophet" Jesus and the New Testament], the law is that they should be killed and those who have the power of life and death should have them killed. And if this cannot be done, they should be led to their death by deceptive methods. 11

Christians: Keep Out!

Concerning Gentile Christians who presume to make use of the Jewish Sabbath, The Jewish Encyclopedia tells us, "Resh Lakishsaid, 'A Gentile observing the Sabbath deserves death' (Sanh. 58b)." This article says, "The Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone" and the Talmud's death sentence "was probably directed against the Christian Jews" 12 Sanh. 59a says, "A heathen who studies the Torah [Old Testament] deserves death, for it is written, Moses commanded us a law for an inheritance; it is our inheritance not theirs."

Christianity is vividly described in the Talmud as worse than even the most wicked behavior of a Jew. A.Z. 17a says: "Rabbi Eleazar B. Dordia did not leave out any harlot in the world without coming to her" yet attained forgiveness because he had not committed the unforgivable sin of accepting Christianity. Likewise, incest is a "light sin" compared to faith in Jesus. The Talmud tells us "Minuth," along with the Roman government, are the two daughters of hell. One seduces Jews to idolatry; the other keeps them politically bound.

Does the Talmud teach the same "tolerance" and "respect for diversity" which Foxman demands from Christians toward Jews, homosexuals, abortionists, and pornographers? Listen to how the Talmud instructs Jews to respond to the death of a Jew who has become a Christian:

At the death of one who had severed all ties with his people no rites whatever should be observed. His brothers and relatives should dress in white and cloak themselves in white. They should eat, drink and be merry, for an enemy of God has perished. As it is written, 'Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate Thee? And do not I strive with those that rise up against Thee? I hate them with utmost hatred; I count them my enemies.' (Psalms 139:21-4)" 13

Is this "hate?" Absolutely!

It's hard to imagine greater hate than the Talmud teaches against Christ and Christians. Jewish "civil liberties" groups such as ADL, ACLU, Southern Poverty Law Center, and People for the American Way set themselves up as lawgivers to the world. They propose to end "hate, intolerance, prejudice, and bias." Yet, the greatest religious and ethical authority for modern observant Judaism, the Talmud (which far exceeds the authority of the Old Testament for religious Jews) 14, cannot be surpassed in its hate, intolerance, prejudice, and bias against Christians. Chief among Jewish ethical pontificators is Abe Foxman, a devout Orthodox, Talmud-quoting Jew, who says he earnestly awaits the coming of Israel's "messiah." This, of course, is not Jesus but Antichrist. 15

"Christophobia"

With this in mind we can understand why Jewish activist groups exhibit such a loathing of Jesus and His name in public schools, government and the military and why they tirelessly labor to remove all symbols having to do with Him, especially at Christmas and Easter.

Jewish activists accuse evangelicals of "homophobia," preaching hate against homosexuals. Actually, out of love, Christians warn sodomites that, unless they repent, their sexual perversion will land them in hell forever. In contrast, Jewish activists are consummate "Christophobes," opposing Christ and His followers -- not out of love but from a morbid obsession to remove all memory of what their forefathers did, screaming, "Crucify Him! Crucify Him! His blood be upon us and our children!"

Like Lady Macbeth, who washed her murderous hands incessantly, muttering, "Out, out, damned spot!" the descendants of those who had Christ killed attempt to wash away their guilt with lies.

There's only One, however, who can wash away anyone's sins. Scripture repeatedly promises He will come again and "they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced and they shall mourn" 16 He who makes the vilest sinners clean will put "a heart of flesh" in Israel, wherein now resides "a heart of stone" against Him. At last God will remove the obsession to defame Him out of Israel.

The saga of Christ's dealings with the Jews is thus one of radical extremes: vitriolic hate, as Talmudic Jewry strives to prevent His appearance, and astonishing love, as Christ eventually proves His power to save a whole nation of repentant Jews.

Someday all the earth will gasp in amazement saying, "Who is a God like unto Thee, that pardoneth iniquity and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of His heritage?" 17

Endnotes:

1. See, Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism: A Report Provided to the United States Congress, p. 31. 2. See, Bible is Hate, says U.S. Government. 3. See, ADL's Foxman: New Testament is Anti-Semitic. 4. The Babylonian Talmud, translated by Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, Random House, New York, 1989 - ca.97. 5. "Balaam," Jewish Encyclopedia, pg. 469. 6. Mishnah, Sanhedrin, 52a, The Babylonian Talmud, Soncino Press, 1948, London. 7. Sanhedrin, 107b. This is confirmed by The Jewish Encyclopedia article on "Jesus," p.170. 8. Sanhedrin 67a, cited. in The Talmud Unmasked, by Rev. I. B. Pranaitis, p. 34. A number of anti-Christian and Gentile passages of the Talmud, too inflammatory to be included in the 1948 Soncino translation, are presented in this credible work by a dedicated scholar and Hebraist. Many of these passages resurfaced in Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz's recent translation of the Talmud. The Talmud Unmasked is available from Christian Book Club, P.O. Box 566, Palmdale, CA, 93550. ph. (661)274-2240 9. Gittin, 57b. 10. Sanhedrin 43a. 11. Choschen Hammishpat, 156 Haggah. 12. "Gentiles," Jewish Encyclopedia, p. 623. 13. Treatise Semahot, ch. 2, p. 35; translated by Dov Zlotnick of the Jewish Theological Seminary, New Haven and London, 1966. 14. Articles on "Talmud" and "Authority" in the three major encyclopedias of Judaism, The Jewish Encyclopedia, The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, and The Encyclopedia Judaica, agree on the Talmud's vastly greater authority. 15. See, ADL's Foxman: Man of Faith? 16. Zechariah 12:10. 17. Micah 7:18

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#44. To: _______ (#42)

you have a crush on God

God is a concept that it is always of dubious legitimate merit, yet most people buy it, for reasons presumably just as dubious. I'm somewhat obsessed with oddball things like that.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   14:02:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: _______ (#42)

Admit it, you have a crush on God but do not want to let on about it.

I believe there are other atheists and agnostics like me who do not ascribe to any pro-homosexual social or political agenda, presuming that includes what you meant to suggest the opposite of.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   14:06:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: _______ (#42)

you have a crush on God but do not want to let on about it

Please, tell me more.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   14:11:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: All (#46) (Edited)

I'd like to apologize to anyone who is named Chris, or Christine, etc. for not explaining earlier that there is no reason to take it personally. A name is just a name. Everyone in my family has Biblical names, I know how it feels. The truth here hurts, this I know personally, and I know it's not popular or politically correct.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   14:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Zoroaster (#0)

The State Department reports, "The tactics of many anti-Semitic groups include the propagation of conspiracy theories Traditional conspiracy theories" include the belief "that the Jews are responsible for the death of Christ."

Ask Barabbas!

<< Mark 15 >> New American Standard Bible

Jesus before Pilate

1 Early in the morning the chief priests with the elders and scribes and the whole Council, immediately held a consultation; and binding Jesus, they led Him away and delivered Him to Pilate.
2 Pilate questioned Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?” And He answered him, “It is as you say.”
3 The chief priests began to accuse Him harshly.
4 Then Pilate questioned Him again, saying, “Do You not answer? See how many charges they bring against You!”
5 But Jesus made no further answer; so Pilate was amazed.

6 Now at the feast he used to release for them any one prisoner whom they requested.
7 The man named Barabbas had been imprisoned with the insurrectionists who had committed murder in the insurrection.
8 The crowd went up and began asking him to do as he had been accustomed to do for them.
9 Pilate answered them, saying, “Do you want me to release for you the King of the Jews?”
10 For he was aware that the chief priests had handed Him over because of envy.
11 But the chief priests stirred up the crowd to ask him to release Barabbas for them instead.
12 Answering again, Pilate said to them, “Then what shall I do with Him whom you call the King of the Jews?”
13 They shouted back, “Crucify Him!”
14 But Pilate said to them, “Why, what evil has He done?” But they shouted all the more, “Crucify Him!”
15 Wishing to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas for them, and after having Jesus scourged, he handed Him over to be crucified.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-18   14:23:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: nobody (#43) (Edited)

You've gotta (got to) be bitter about my spelling here too.

If I had the time, or cared enough, I might try to figure out why I should be bitter about your spelling. As it happens I am not bitter about anything.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-18   14:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: PSUSA (#40)

Silly me.

I truly don't care. The context was about the pure intellectual gang-thuggery there, not the pure intellectual gang-thuggery there with your latest snot piled on top of it, anyway.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   14:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: James Deffenbach (#49)

I might try to figure out why I should be bitter about your spelling

uh great. what a guy.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   14:29:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#33)

NOW THE GOVERNMENT CAN LEGALLY KILL CHRISTIANS [Cong. Bill Dannemeyer explains how the NOAHIDE LAW was treacherously passed.]

http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=70165

You seem to understand I posted this article as a warning that history is repeating itself. I'd venture to say the Zionists have more power in America today than the Bolsheviks had in 1917 Russia. Some historians estimate that 40- million Russians and Ukrainians, mostly Orthodox Christians, went to early graves in the aftermath of the Bolshevik Revolution.

The gulags are already in place in America. Wake up! folks, it can happen here.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2008-04-18   14:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: nobody (#50)

I truly don't care. The context was about the pure intellectual gang-thuggery there, not the pure intellectual gang-thuggery there with your latest snot piled on top of it, anyway.

If you "truly" don't care, why do you keep replying? Why waste your time on all of us stupid Christians?

Well, you're not really replying, just namecalling. You protest too much, and it makes you look foolish.

------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-18   14:46:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: PSUSA (#53)

I brought up something different from the thing I said I didn't care about, and you're pretending they're all the same thing. What's the point of talking to a word clown who does that sort of crap on a regular basis. There is none, I'm done with you. Take a hint and stop poking at me.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   14:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: nobody (#20)

The Bible is still a piece of shit........

You used the word "shit" once to often on this thread. This post was your worst offense. Adios. You've been relegated permanently to the BOZO filter. Bye now

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-04-18   14:53:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: IndieTX (#55)

Thanks, one less Bible-pushing asshole giving me crap in an environment completely polluted with them.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   14:55:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: All (#56)

Is pushing the Bible an official objective of freedom4um? If so, I'm outta here.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   14:57:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: All (#57)

I see no hint of Biblically-inspired idiocy on the forum's welcome page, so I guess I'm safe here for now. These Bible-pushers are something else.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   15:00:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: nobody (#54)

I'm done with you.

OK, I fully expect you to put me on bozo then. I wont do it to you, because that is what you want me to do, and I already said I was not going to play that game.

Your unjustified bitterness is going to take years off of your life, because you are probably like this in Real Life too. Let it go, not for my sake, but for yours.

------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-18   15:03:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: PSUSA (#53)

namecalling

Pot, meet kettle.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   15:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: PSUSA (#59)

put me on bozo then

You can s*** my d*** first, rude needy person.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   15:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: nobody (#60)

Pot, meet kettle.

I never called you any names.

------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-18   15:14:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#36)

I have tried to instruct you as well.

Maybe you'll take the hint on the result and stop abusing non-believers with your abundant Biblically-inspired religious nonsense.

Nah, your agenda is too huge and popular for you to suffer in silence...

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   15:14:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: PSUSA (#62)

called you any names

Okay, only if you insist, but who's the "bitter one" again?

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   15:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: PSUSA (#62)

I never called you any names

You brought it up, so I have to ask, are you insinuating that "namecalling" is a logical fallacy existing on a level significantly higher than any other dubious argument technique that you'd care to identify in your diatribes against me?

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   15:29:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: nobody (#64)

Okay, only if you insist, but who's the "bitter one" again?

You are. Look at what you wrote, vs what I and others wrote, and ask yourself how you would react in my / their place(s).

Bitter accurately describes your words and attitude. Same thing when I said you were acting foolish. I didnt say you were a fool.

THe people you think are giving you a hard time are just reacting to what you say and how you say it. There is no reason for it. If you don't want to have anything to do with believers, then dont have anything to do with them. No harm, no foul. But if you think that people will just sit back and put up with your attacks, you will get a predictable reaction. Maybe you want that reaction, I dont know.

Personally, I think they are wrong for letting you pull their strings, but that is the choice they made, for their own reasons.

------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-18   15:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: nobody (#65)

in your diatribes against me?

My diatribes against YOU?

I didn't start this. I was perfectly willing to have a civil conversation.

------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-18   15:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#36) (Edited)

I have to give the Catholics a lot of credit, because I was raised Catholic and two things they taught me were "don't proselytize" (including essentially to not even bring up one's religion unless asked) and that "Catholics are Christians", so my objections to proselytizing have nothing to do with me being a Christian or not. They never have. Anyway, the most interesting thing about that that I have noticed is that all proselytizers appear to be tremendous assholes in many suprising ways. The Catholics were oh so right about proselytizing. Quoting the Bible frequently where not being asked to do so is rather blatant proselytizing, IMO.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   15:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: nobody (#68)

Anyway, the most interesting thing about that that I have noticed is that all proselytizers appear to be tremendous assholes in many suprising ways. The Catholics were oh so right about proselytizing.

There is something we can agree on.

We are not called to "win souls for the Lord". Those that do this see other people as just another jewel in their crowns. The church is corrupt and they have turned the Gospel upside down and inside out. Their "gospel" is good news for a very few, and infinitely bad news for the vast majority.

Scripture, otoh, tells a different story. We are not responsible for converting anyone, God is. We are just to be ready to give an answer to those that ask. I can cite scripture to back all of this up. But I will ignite a real shitstorm myself among other christians if I do this, especially if I disprove the "eternal torture in "Hell" " BS. And, it is BS.

------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-18   15:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: PSUSA (#69) (Edited)

Catholics did not have to take all of the Bible literally (still don't, I suppose, so "evolution" per se is presumably still okay with them, for example), so there's one obvious reason for not bringing up the subject of one's religion.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   16:00:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: nobody (#58)

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#72. To: PSUSA (#66)

You can call me "the bitter one" if you wish, but you might want to drop the objection to "namecalling" if that is the case, for logical consistency's sake.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   16:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: nobody (#70)

Well, imo, there is no harm in discussing religion. The problem comes from trying to convince others that they must believe as they do, and they try real hard to do this. I made this mistake too, in the past. The problem was, what I thought was true was a lie. I was trying to get people to believe lies. I pissed off my share of people too.

This is why I thank God that we are not responsible for converting anyone. We screw it up royally.

------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-18   16:11:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: PSUSA (#73) (Edited)

Name-calling is a great stress-reliever for the namecaller, and there are so many other, widely-used and more devious, ways of distracting from a point. I say let's not fuss too much about it.

Anyways, it's almost the age of Aquarius and stuff (2150), and you know what that means. All new occult-based icons from the elite to replace the old, worn out ones. Appears to be a very feminine theme in the works for the next eon.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-18   16:17:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: nobody (#74)

I say let's not fuss too much about it.

Sounds good to me.

------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-18   16:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: PSUSA (#75)

You are one of the far too few who really "get it!"

Christendom with their "official doctrine" are as corrupt as as any other "organized religion" in this World.

Nobody (the poster provocateur) is ethnically gifted with the ability to gab and has learned well how to wield the power of the antagonist. For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction. Add the catalyst of human emotion and who knows what will erupt?

He's a good soul at heart who's been indoctrinated in another belief system. The adrenaline power rush that comes from provoking emotional response is very addictive. He's putting the Stockholm Syndrome to the test.

Gotta admit though, his style is very stimulating.

SCPO Blackshoe Retired  posted on  2008-04-18   18:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Zoroaster (#52)

I am aware what COULD happen here, and know they have planned a holocaust for us. However, the way I am reading the Bible, I think it's the end of the road for them this time. God said before He came, He would bring to light the hidden things of darkness. I frankly think this move by the State Department is a good move for us. Their mask has come off. This government has been exposed for being antiChristian, and it exposes the Zionists for what they are as well, the Synagogue of Satan. I know I could be wrong, horribly wrong. We will have to wait and see, but for some unexplained reason, I have a good feeling about this.

President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-04-18   18:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: nobody (#68)

I have to give the Catholics a lot of credit, because I was raised Catholic

I wish I had a nickel for every person I have met who turned against Christianity for that very reason.

and two things they taught me were "don't proselytize"

that's funny coming from them!

"....Undermining the American Constitution

The Vatican, which has historically been no friend of the Bible, has nevertheless inveigled a much more highly regarded status in the United States than perhaps anywhere else in the world today. In the US, Roman Catholics are more prosperous and the so-called evangelicals much more pro-Romanist than in many other countries of the world.

Rome has systematically taken advantage of the religious freedom guaranteed by the US Constitution to promote her own doctrines while scheming to undermine those of American Protestantism. The more recent open assault by the Vatican on the freedom of religion guaranteed by the US Constitution is the culmination of a conspiracy launched when overwhelmingly Protestant America elected Roman Catholic John F Kennedy as President. At his funeral we had the cunning exposure of Protestants through television to the paraphernalia of Papist propaganda and the rigmarole of Romanist ritual.

The advent of ecumenical evangelism also made the false doctrines of Rome acceptable to millions of misled American fundamentalists. At the end of 1953, before he turned to apostasy, Billy Graham spoke out against Roman Catholicism. The United States was at that time one of the most Protestant nations on earth; now, on the contrary, its leaders support the cause of the Vatican in many areas of the world. Consider for instance the actions of the ecumenical Kennedy-Carter-Clinton clique which supported a united Ireland through the Irish-American lobby, facilitated Sinn Féin/IRA fund-raising, and thus assisted the Vatican in waging its war of aggression against Britain on another front.

Such policies, of course, are treacherous to the American Constitution, for those who drew up the Declaration of Independence were not Roman Catholic Irishmen; they were men of deep personal religious conviction, steeped in the Calvinist tradition. The heritage of the Scottish National Church and the Scottish national system of education founded by John Knox was brought to America by the Scotch-Irish, whose role and existence President Clinton belittled and ignored in order to elevate the Republican terrorists whose ancestors did not land in the USA until two centuries later and largely acquired the reputation of undesirables.

In 1995, no less than US 53 lawmakers sent a letter to House speaker Newt Gingrich asking him to have the Pope give an address to a joint session of Congress in October of that year. Representative John Boehner, the sponsor of the letter, said that such an invitation was "highly appropriate for the Vatican head of state and spiritual leader of 900 million [Roman] Catholics world-wide and 60 million American [Roman] Catholics. Both numbers were, as usual, grossly exaggerated.

Resistance to the Vatican's subversion of Protestantism in America was profoundly symbolised in 1997 when an Alabama Judge refused to remove a plaque inscribed with the Ten Commandments displayed in his courtroom. By the same token, the need for such resistance underlines the huge strides which Romanism has made in America in the last decade.

When the Pope visits the US this year, Americans should remember that he has been dubbed "the last great critic of capitalism", one of the systems which his predecessor said would have to be "deprecated" before Rome could achieve her aims. Americans must remember, too, that the Roman hierarchy has formally announced its intention to destroy their country, where she is entrenching herself with strength and promoting herself with subtlety. In L'Aurora of December, 1950, 'Father' Patrick O'Brien announced: "We, the Hierarchy of the Holy Catholic Church, [...] if necessary, shall change, amend, or blot out the present Constitution so that the President may enforce his, or rather our, humanitarian programme and all phases of human rights [!] as laid down by our saintly Popes and the Holy Mother Church. [...] We are going to have our laws made and enforced according to the Holy See and the Popes and the canon law of the Papal throne. Our entire social structure must be rebuilt on that basis. Our educational laws must be constructed to end the atheism, the Red peril of totalitarianism, Protestantism, Communism, Socialism and all other of like ilk and stamp, be driven from this fair land. [...] We control America and we do not propose to stop until America or Americans are genuinely Roman Catholic and remain so."

The Union and Echo, the official diocesan organ of the Roman Catholic Church in Buffalo, declared in December 1950 that at the rate of 126,000 converts a year in the United States it would take too long to "convert" (i.e. Romanise) America: "We must convert [...] Politics, Economics, Sociology, Business, Entertainment, Labour and Management, the Department of State and the Executive Branch of our Government to Christian and hence Catholic principles." There are already signs of a trade war being conducted by the EU against the US. Europe first, America next, tomorrow the world! Christians beware!

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=euro2

JESUIT Extreme Oath of Induction as recorded in the Journals of the 62D Congress, 3d Session of the U.S. (House Calendar No. 397. Report No. 1523) Congressional Record---House, 15 Feb. 1913, pp3215-3216

I_______________ , now in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St. Peter and St. Paul, and all the saints, sacred host of Heaven, and to you, my Ghostly Father, the superior general of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyoly, in the pontification of Paul the III, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear that His Holiness, the Pope, is Christ's vice regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by the virtue of the keys of binding and loosing given His Holiness by my Saviour, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, States, Commonwealths, and Governments and they may be safely destroyed. Therefore to the utmost of my power I will defend this doctrine and His Holiness's right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran Church of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway, and the now pretended authority and Church's of England and Scotland, and the branches of same now established in Ireland and on the continent of America and elsewhere and all adherents in regard that they may be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now denounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or State, named Protestant or Liberal, or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates or officers. I do further declare that the doctrine of the Churches of England and Scotland of the Calvinists, Huguenots, and others of the name of Protestants or Masons to be damnable, and they themselves to be damned who will not forsake the same. I do further declare that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness's agents, in any place where I should be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Ireland or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise. I do further promise and declare that, notwithstanding I am dispensed with to assume any religion heretical for the propogation of the Mother Church's interest; to keep secret and private all her agents counsels from time to time, as they intrust me, and not divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstances whatever, but to execute all that should be proposed, given in charge, or discovered unto me by you, my Ghostly Father, or any of this sacred order. I do further promise and declare that I will have no opinion or will of my own or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ. That I will go to any part of the world whithersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions north, jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the babarous savages of America without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever is communicated to me. I do further promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition, and that will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women, and crush their infant's heads against the walls in order to annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord, the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity or authority of the persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of Jesus. In confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive I will subscribe my name written in my blood in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulpher burned therin with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul shall be tortured by demons in eternal hell forever. That I will in voting always vote for a Knight of Columbus in preference to a Protestant, especially a Mason, and that I will leave my party so to do; that if two Catholics are on the ticket I will satisfy myself which is the better supporter of Mother Church and vote accordingly. That I will not deal with or employ a Protestant if in my power to deal with or employ a Catholic. That I will place Catholic girls in Protestant families that a weekly report may be made of the inner movements of the heretics. That I will provide myself with arms and ammunition that I may be in readiness when the word is passed, or I am commanded to defend the church either as an individual or with the militia of the Pope. All of which I,_______________, do swear by the blessed Trinity and blessed sacrament which I am now to receive to perform and on part to keep this my oath. In testimony hereof, I take this most holy and blessed sacrament of the Eucharist and witness the same further with my name written with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and seal in the face of this holy sacrament. members.foothills.net/ricefile/extreme.Html

The Last Great Inquisition!!

http://www.reformation.org/inquisit.html

Quoting the Bible frequently where not being asked to do so is rather blatant proselytizing, IMO.

Did you by any chance happen to notice the FORUM HEADING you have been prattling on all day is entitled "Religion"?

President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-04-18   18:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#78)

Rome has systematically taken advantage of the religious freedom guaranteed by the US Constitution to promote her own doctrines while scheming to undermine those of American Protestantism.

Protestantism is a joke. American protestantism is ... words fail me. Much worse than a joke. Studying their "doctrines" and listening to their pastors are lazy mans excuses for not taking the time to read the Bible for themselves.

The truth is so simple that most people wouldn't believe it. It's just not complex enough to satisfy them. In fact, the truth offends them.

At least Catholics are united behind 1 leader. Each protestant denomination (how many are there?) believes different things. THey cannot even agree on salvation.

It's all Babylon. I hope His people get out soon.

------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-18   19:08:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: nobody (#22)

Then, one day, I realized that the reason why all the churches based on the Bible were screwed up, including the religion I was raised in.

I was raised Catholic and there isn't a more unbiblical religion on earth. I have no love for "religiosity" or churches in general, but choose to let others decide for themselves what to do with their spiritual nature.

You too, are entitled to your firmly held beliefs, but I disagree. I have determined not to argue the validity of scripture with others, especially when the discernment necessary (from my point of view) requires more study and less debate.

I have felt exactly the same as you at times, but continued to study for some reason. I completely understand your position and respect it.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)

noone222  posted on  2008-04-19   7:25:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: PSUSA (#79)

Protestantism is a joke. American protestantism is ... words fail me. Much worse than a joke. Studying their "doctrines" and listening to their pastors are lazy mans excuses for not taking the time to read the Bible for themselves......

It's all Babylon. I hope His people get out soon.

I wholeheartedly agree!

This Word is for us:

Zechariah 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon. [Matthew Henry Commentary: http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.php?com=mhc&b=38&c=2

Let's review how it came about.

[Go back to the holy war I pointed out above in Ezekiel 17:1-10/Micah 4/Psalm 2.]

Truth About the Talmud: Judaism's Holiest Book Maimonides further decreed that any non-Jewish nation "not subject to our jurisdiction" (tahaht yadeinu) will be the target of **** Jewish holy war. ... http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

Oh darn, I really don't have time for this today...but I just ran across an old post of mine that covers a lot of what I wanted to say...if you take a look at it, and some of the links. I'll give a quick synopsis....God told Abraham the count of his seed would be like the number of stars in the sky....

Genesis 15:5 And He took him outside and said, "Now look toward Yahweh brought him outside, and said, "Look now toward the sky, and count the stars, if you are able to count them." He said to Abram, "So shall your seed ... bible.cc/genesis/15-5.htm

Genesis 26:4 "I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and I have multiplied thy seed as stars of the heavens, and I have given to thy ... toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them. ... bible.cc/genesis/26-4.htm

Abraham's seed includes the OT faithful and Christians [Gal. 3:16-29].

God said He would bring "Gog and Magog" to battle against THEM the number of whom is as the sand of the sea:

Rev. 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

btw, here's a neat verse:

Hebrews 11:12 Therefore there was born even of one man, and him as good as dead at that, as many descendants AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN IN NUMBER, AND INNUMERABLE AS THE SAND WHICH IS BY THE SEASHORE.

bible.cc/revelation/20-8.htm

There has been a Holy War going on here between Bible-believing Christians and those promoting the Talmud ever since they planted the cross the first day they got off the boat at Cape Henry. See the First Virginia Charter of 1606. Christians were given the mandate to spread the gospel AND permission to pursue without a leash any of those who got in the way of that mandate.

The Jews had to do away with that mandate. I know there was a battle going on between the two groups, because I chanced upon another charter or two a few years ago that mentioned it...those in the Northern colony [the more heathen of the two, just like the Northern and Southern kingdoms of Israel] had been making incursions into the territory of the Southern kingdom [building their "churches" within the Southern colony's latitude lines , contrary to the First Charter]. Consequently, the Southerners had burned down the Northerners' "churches" and so harrassed them, that the Northerners relinquished their colony back to "The Crown" [who, btw, are of the so-called "Holy Grail" families (scam, and who, imo, are of the apostate Tribe of Dan]...[Hegelian Dialectic]. The Northerners were then able to do away with the Southerners' charter by contriving a "Revolutionary War", and planting a new "Constitution" [contract] over the country, symbolized by the Rothschild[Edomite/Tribe of Dan??] eagle and the Star of David[Solomon] on the Great Seal....Ezekiel 17:1-10. The mandate to establish the gospel of Jesus Christ was morphed into the "freedom" of "religion"....see GEORGE WASHINGTON' S LASTING GIFT TO GENERATIONS OF JEWS....which has now morphed into the outlawing of Christianity....[Hegelian Dialectic, again].

The path from the contrived Revolution War, with George Washington, the closet Catholic, doing business with Haym Solomon, Rothschild agent [I recently ran across a blip that stated that George and Martha were holding bonds - making money - on the British troops stationed in America] to deliver up Christian America to the Judeo-British-Israel "Crown"/City of London. That's all spelled out here: http://www.sweetliberty.org/pers...e/jewishpersecution18.htm [great article] and here: Tell me this is just a coincidence http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=30955

Remember what Cornwallis said to George Washington:

"....The following article is very revealing in that it shows how far back the plot to take America with the Kingdom Message [NOTE: JUDEO-BRITISH-ISRAELISM see http://thescepterofjudah.net] has been organized.

It is certain that Senator Joseph McCarthy did much research on the Communist conspiracy. He came too close when he discovered British Israel and its Kingdom Message propaganda. The following quotes are from an article with the title: GEORGE WASHINGTON'S SURRENDER: "And many of the people of the land became Jews." Esther 9:17. "The confession of General Cornwallis to General Washington at Yorktown has been well hidden by historians. History books and text books have taught for years that when Cornwallis surrendered his army to General Washington that American independence came, and we lived happily ever after until the tribulations of the twentieth century."

"Jonathan Williams recorded in his LEGIONS OF SATAN, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown." Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction: "Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry." And indeed George Washington himself was a Mason, and he gave back through a false religion what he had won with his army.

"Cornwallis well knew that his military defeat was only the beginning of world catastrophe that would be universal and that unrest would continue until mind control could be accomplished through a false religion. What he predicted has come to pass. A brief sketch of American religious history and we have seen Masonry infused into every church in America With their veiled Phallic religion.

"Darby and the Plymouth Brethren brought a Jewish Christianity to America. Masons Rutherford and Russell started Jehovah Witnesses' Judaism which is now worldwide with their message of the divine kingdom. Mason Joseph Smith started Mormon Judaism with its Jewish teaching of millennialism.

"At the turn of the twentieth century there appeared the Scofield Bible with a Jewish interpretation of the prophecies. With wide use of this "helpful" aid **** all the American churches have silently become synagogues. We now have Baptist Jews, Methodist Jews, Church of God Jews, apostate Catholic Jews, and many Protestant Jews throughout America. We are aliens in our own country because of false religion. All are praying for divine deliverance into that "Divine Government" which Cornwallis knew to be the British Empire.

"A false religion has been used to deceive us into allegiance to our enemies of Yorktown and Bunker Hill. No! Not a gun has been fired but the invisible and malignant process of conquering America with the Jew's religion has gone on unabated. The Union Jack has been planted in our hearts with religious deception. All has happened "legally," "constitutionally," "freely" and completely within our most sacred trust -- our churches. Religious deception is painless innoculation against truth. It cannot be removed from the conscience with surgery, yet it is the motivator of our actions and directly controls our lives. Once man gives over to false religion, he is no longer rational because he originates no thought. His life is controlled by whomever controls his religion.

"The veil of false religion is the sword of Damocles and its power to control humanity defies even the imagination of tyrants who use it."

"This is not to say that George Washington was a traitor willingly, or knowingly. He was beguiled into a Satanic religious order that insidiously controls men's minds. So have American statesmen and military leaders down through the years given aid and allegiance to the enemies of the United States because they did not have knowledge of the invisible subterfuge that stalks this land. My eyes were opened the day my colleague from Ohio handed me Wagner's FREEMASONRY AN INTERPRETATION. If every American would read it, they would no longer ask why and how it has happened."

Given by Senator Joseph McCarthy, six months before his mouth was closed forever. End of quote from GEORGE WASHINGTON'S SURRENDER.

We have a final note for optimism. We sincerely believe that America can and will survive if her people are willing to come face to face with the propagandists who are trying to beguile us into World Government with a misuse of Bible prophecy. It is time to touch the untouchables and shake their ivory towers of constitutionally protected religion and lay open for all to see what is being done to us in the name of Christ....."

THE GREATEST HOAX: THE UNION JACK EPILOGUE: http://www.sweetliberty.org/issu...ax/unionjack_epilogue.htm

Again, IN THEIR OWN WORDS:

Speeches delivered at the B'nai B'rith Convention in Paris explain Luther's changed attitude toward "Jews":

"As long as there remains among the Gentiles any moral conception of the social order, and until all faith, patriotism, and dignity are uprooted, our reign over the world shall not come . . . And the Gentiles, in their stupidity, have proved easier dupes than we expected them to be. One would expect more intelligence and more practical common sense, but they are no better than a herd of sheep. Let them graze in our fields till they become fat enough to be worthy of being immolated to our future King of the World . . . We have founded many secret associations, which all work for our purpose, under our orders and our direction. We have made it an honor, a great honor, for the Gentiles to join us in our organizations (such as Masonry), which are, thanks to our gold, flourishing now more than ever. Yet it remains our secret that those Gentiles who betray their own and most precious interests, by joining us in our plot, should never know that those associations are of our creation, and that they serve our purpose. One of the many triumphs of our Freemasonry is that those Gentiles who become members of our Lodges, should never suspect that we are using them to build their own jails, upon whose terraces we shall erect the throne of our Universal King of the Jews; and should never know that we are commanding them to forge the chains of their own servility to our future King of the World . . . We have induced some of our children to join the Christian Body, with the explicit intimation that they should work in a still more efficient way for the disintegration of the Christian Church, by creating scandals within her. We have thus followed the advice of our Prince of the Jews, who so wisely said: 'Let some of your children become cannons, so that they may destroy the Church.' Unfortunately, not all among the 'convert' Jews have proved faithful to their mission. Many of them have even betrayed us! But, on the other hand, others have kept their promise and honored their word. Thus the counsel of our Elders has proved successful. We are the Fathers of all Revolutions, even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the Creators of the Reformation!

Calvin was one of our Children; he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the Reformation. Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends unknowingly, and again, by Jewish authority, and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic Church met with success. But unfortunately he discovered the deception, and became a threat to us, so we disposed of him as we have so many others who dare to oppose us. . . (Phillip II, by William Thomas Walsh, p. 248: 'The origin of Calvin' (whose real name was Chauvin). See also: Lucin Wolf, in Transactions, Jewish Historical Society of England, Vol. XI, p. 8; Goris, Les Colonies Marchandes Meridionales à Anvers; Lea, History of the Inquisition of Spain, III, 413).

Many countries, including the United States have already fallen for our scheming. But the Christian Church is still alive . . . We must destroy it without the least delay and without the slightest mercy. Most of the Press in the world is under our Control; let us therefore encourage in a still more violent way the hatred of the world against the Christian Church. Let us intensify our activities in poisoning the morality of the Gentiles. Let us spread the spirit of revolution in the minds of the people. They must be made to despise Patriotism and the love of their family, to consider their faith as a humbug, their obedience to their Christ as a degrading servility, so that they become deaf to the appeal of the Church and blind to her warnings against us. Let us, above all, make it impossible for Christians to be reunited, or for non-Christians to join the Church; otherwise the greatest obstruction to our domination will be strengthened and all our work undone. Our plot will be unveiled, the Gentiles will turn against us, in the spirit of revenge, and our domination over them will never be realized. Let us remember that as long as there still remain active enemies of the Christian Church, we may hope to become Master of the World . . . And let us remember always that the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown . . . " (London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; and in Paris Le Reveil du Peuple). luther.htm

Note from THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES by Martin Luther http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm

Note their biggest fear is being found out. Expose them. Send this thread to every Christian and every church you can think of.

Great article embedded in the above...wish I had time to post:

The amazing story of Jewish influence on the founding of American democracy is a well-kept secret.

http://www.aish.com/literacy/jew...e_Founding_of_America.asp

I haven't had the time to thouroughly investigate it, but I highly suspect the Puritans and Pilgrims and Separatists were mainly Jews. Bush's family came on the Mayflower as Separatists. The definition of Pharisee is separate.

Another excellent one:

THE HIDDEN NATION OF THE JEWS:

http://wake-up-america.net/hidden_nation.htm

401 YEARS TODAY:

Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed [see Galatians 3:16-29] shall be a stranger in a land [that is] not theirs [THE US IS STILL A BRITISH COLONY, EXTORTING TAXES FOR THE CROWN apfn ], and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

[the Israelites were afflicted about 160 years: "Then a new king arose who knew not Joseph"....happened about 200 years after Joseph died...at 110 years old! They were in Egypt 430 years to the day....subtract AT LEAST 200 years when they were NOT afflicted...there were more when you do all the math...that only equals 230 years, far short of the prophesied 400....not to mention the fact that this promise was given BEFORE THE LAW, WHICH DOES NOT ANNUL THE PROMISE GIVEN TO "THE SEED", WHICH ARE CHRISTIANS - Galatians 3:16-29]

Gen 15:14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen015.html#13

Mic 4:13 Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their [ILL-GOTTEN] gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.

Mic 4:10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go [even] to "BABYLON"; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mic/Mic004.html#13

"COME OUT OF BABYLON, MY PEOPLE", THAT YOU DO NOT SHARE IN HER SINS, AND HER JUDGMENT.

At least Catholics are united behind 1 leader.

that's the plan, and the rest of the plot is that WE ALL get united behind 1 leader...that's the essence of the "New World Order Religion", and the NWO cannot exist without a one world religion, but you can bet the one world religion won't be based on CHRIST...... search "Pope a proper receptor for antiChrist http://cuttingedge.org "

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT - CATHOLIC OR JEWISH? http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html ....

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Pope Leo X Pope Leo X. (GIOVANNI DE MEDICI). Born at Florence, 11 December, 1475; died at Rome, 1 December, 1521, was the second son of Lorenzo the Magnificent ... www.newadvent.org/cathen/09162a.htm

"...."Mrs. Van Hyning, I am surprised at your surprise. You are a student of history -- and you know that both the Borgias and the Mediciis are Jewish families of Italy. Surely you know that there have been Popes from both of these houses. Perhaps it will surprise you to know that we have had 20 Jewish Popes, and when you have sufficient time, which may coincide with my free time, I can show you these names and dates. You will learn from these that: The crimes committed in the name of the Catholic Church were under Jewish Popes. The leaders of the inquisition was one, de TorQuemada, a Jew." (Woman's Voice, November 25, 1953)...." 1001 Quotes By and About Jews

MYSTERY BABYLON 3 MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT. CATHOLIC OR JEWISH? PART III. THE MEDICI ... Medici (1535-1605) was Pope Leo XI and Giovanni de Medici, Pope Leo X (1513-1521). ... watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon-3.html

The truth is, Roman Catholicism is Judaism glorified.

y'all have a nice day.

President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-04-19   10:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#81)

Roman Catholicism is Judaism glorified.

Something like that.

So, how do you square Biblical miracles with modern science?

Are miracles impossible things that really happened?

Or, for example, does quantum physics allow a staff to turn into a snake?

nobody  posted on  2008-04-19   15:42:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: nobody (#82)

IMO, miracles defy science...hence, a miracle.

President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-04-20   12:49:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: nobody (#57)

I'm outta here.

You'd be sorely missed.


FOH  posted on  2008-04-30   14:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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