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Published: Apr 18, 2008
Author: Ted Pike
Post Date: 2008-04-18 00:36:22 by Zoroaster
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US Government, Talmud Mock New Testament By Rev. Ted Pike 4-17-8 The U.S. State Dept.'s Office of Global Anti-Semitism now says the New Testament is a book of conspiracy theory! Yes, our government now rules that the Biblical record that Jews had Christ crucified is not only anti-Semitic; it's conspiracy junk. This step toward criminalization of Christian beliefs directly threatens believers. It is also an act of blatant hypocrisy: While the New Testament is derided as "hate speech," not a word is said about the seething hatred contained in Judaism's most sacred book, the Talmud. The State Department reports, "The tactics of many anti-Semitic groups include the propagation of conspiracy theories Traditional conspiracy theories" include the belief "that the Jews are responsible for the death of Christ." 1 For tens of millions, the New Testament is anything but conspiracy theory! It's the written Word of God. But now our State Department says the New Testament account of Christ's passion, culminating in rejection by the Jewish people and crucifixion by the Romans, is akin to the other conspiracy theories that inspired Hitler to attempt to destroy Jews. My previous article, "Bible is Hate, Says U.S. Government," documents the State Department's other charge: that the New Testament espouses "classic anti-Semitism." 2 Hitler is rightly considered a classic anti-Semite. But the State Department, in also labelling the New Testament "classic anti-Semitism," suggests it is morally and intellectually similar to Nazism. This implies the New Testament could lead to yet another Holocaust! This premise, legislated into "anti-hate" laws, will justify persecution of Bible-believers as "anti-Semites." After all, it will be reasoned, people with hateful ideologies, leading to violence against Jews should be restricted, even imprisoned. Talmud Tells Us Who Killed Christ Abraham H. Foxman, head of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League, couldn't agree more with the State Department. His organization is the prime mover behind hate laws worldwide and the Office of Global Anti-Semitism. Foxman asserts that Jews of Jesus' time were innocent of the crucifixion; it was entirely the work of Romans. Foxman says New Testament writers concocted the vicious anti-Semitic lie that Jewish leaders and people goaded Pilate to condemn Christ. He says this falsehood - that Jews are "Christ killers"-fanned into flame nearly two millennia of anti-Semitism and led to the Holocaust. He also says it creates "new anti-Semitism" which he warns is rapidly escalating worldwide. 3 ADL's "anti-hate" laws have already been used in dozens of western nations to infringe on the freedom of Christians. Foxman, as an Orthodox Jew, knows plenty about another book whose vitriol is far darker than that of the Bible. The highest religious and ethical authority of modern Judaism, the Babylonian Talmud, states that Jewish leaders did have Christ condemned to death. In fact, the Talmud says they did it entirely without the Romans' help! Jewish authorities killed Christ not by crucifixion (illegal in Jewish law) but by the legal methods prescribed by Talmudic law. The Talmud says: On Passover Eve, they hanged Jesus of Nazareth. And the herald went before him forty days, and proclaimed 'Jesus of Nazareth is going out to be stoned because he practiced sorcery, incited and led Israel astray. Whoever knows of an argument that may be proposed in his favor should come present that argument on his behalf.' But the judges did not find an argument in his favor, and so they hanged him on Passover Eve. 4 The Talmud describes torture inflicted on Jesus before His death. "All four legal methods of execution stoning, burning, decapitation and strangling were employed". 5 The Talmud elaborates on "burning." It involved Jesus being: "lowered in dung up to his armpits, then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound around his neck and the two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead, forcing him to open his mouth. A wick was then lit, and thrown into his mouth, so that it descended into his body, burning his bowels." 6 Jesus, says the Talmud, was excommunicated for the thought of seducing a woman. In His ensuing grief and confusion, He fell down and worshipped a brick. 7 The Talmud says Jesus "was a fool and we do not pay attention to what fools do." 8 According to the Talmud, Jesus is now in hell, writhing in eternal agony. The Talmud asks: "'What is your punishment?' He replied, 'With boiling hot semen'" 9 The Talmud defends the Jewish rulers who it says righteously executed four of Christ's disciples: Matthew, Luke, Nicodemus, and Thaddaeus. 10 It considers His followers to be worshippers of a false prophet and worthy of death. References in the Talmud to Christ and Christians are often veiled by terms not understood by Christian censors in previous centuries. Two of the most common are "Minim" and "Minith." The footnote to the Talmud in Abodah Zarah 16b (pg. 84) says that "Minith" refers to "heresy with special reference to Christianity." Brotherly love did not extend to the Minim: Christians may be legally thrown into a pit to die. As Abodah Zarah 26b says: "'idolaters and [Jewish] Shepherds of small cattle need not be brought up, though they must not be cast in, but Minim, informers, and apostates may be cast in and need not be brought up.'" In Shabbethai 116, Rabbi Tarbon says, "The writings of the Minim [New Testament] deserve to be burned, even though the holy name of God occurs therein, for paganism is less dangerous than Minith [Christianity]" According to the Talmud "Those who deny the Torah and the prophets of Israel [giving loyalty to the "false prophet" Jesus and the New Testament], the law is that they should be killed and those who have the power of life and death should have them killed. And if this cannot be done, they should be led to their death by deceptive methods. 11 Christians: Keep Out! Concerning Gentile Christians who presume to make use of the Jewish Sabbath, The Jewish Encyclopedia tells us, "Resh Lakishsaid, 'A Gentile observing the Sabbath deserves death' (Sanh. 58b)." This article says, "The Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone" and the Talmud's death sentence "was probably directed against the Christian Jews" 12 Sanh. 59a says, "A heathen who studies the Torah [Old Testament] deserves death, for it is written, Moses commanded us a law for an inheritance; it is our inheritance not theirs." Christianity is vividly described in the Talmud as worse than even the most wicked behavior of a Jew. A.Z. 17a says: "Rabbi Eleazar B. Dordia did not leave out any harlot in the world without coming to her" yet attained forgiveness because he had not committed the unforgivable sin of accepting Christianity. Likewise, incest is a "light sin" compared to faith in Jesus. The Talmud tells us "Minuth," along with the Roman government, are the two daughters of hell. One seduces Jews to idolatry; the other keeps them politically bound. Does the Talmud teach the same "tolerance" and "respect for diversity" which Foxman demands from Christians toward Jews, homosexuals, abortionists, and pornographers? Listen to how the Talmud instructs Jews to respond to the death of a Jew who has become a Christian: At the death of one who had severed all ties with his people no rites whatever should be observed. His brothers and relatives should dress in white and cloak themselves in white. They should eat, drink and be merry, for an enemy of God has perished. As it is written, 'Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate Thee? And do not I strive with those that rise up against Thee? I hate them with utmost hatred; I count them my enemies.' (Psalms 139:21-4)" 13 Is this "hate?" Absolutely! It's hard to imagine greater hate than the Talmud teaches against Christ and Christians. Jewish "civil liberties" groups such as ADL, ACLU, Southern Poverty Law Center, and People for the American Way set themselves up as lawgivers to the world. They propose to end "hate, intolerance, prejudice, and bias." Yet, the greatest religious and ethical authority for modern observant Judaism, the Talmud (which far exceeds the authority of the Old Testament for religious Jews) 14, cannot be surpassed in its hate, intolerance, prejudice, and bias against Christians. Chief among Jewish ethical pontificators is Abe Foxman, a devout Orthodox, Talmud-quoting Jew, who says he earnestly awaits the coming of Israel's "messiah." This, of course, is not Jesus but Antichrist. 15 "Christophobia" With this in mind we can understand why Jewish activist groups exhibit such a loathing of Jesus and His name in public schools, government and the military and why they tirelessly labor to remove all symbols having to do with Him, especially at Christmas and Easter. Jewish activists accuse evangelicals of "homophobia," preaching hate against homosexuals. Actually, out of love, Christians warn sodomites that, unless they repent, their sexual perversion will land them in hell forever. In contrast, Jewish activists are consummate "Christophobes," opposing Christ and His followers -- not out of love but from a morbid obsession to remove all memory of what their forefathers did, screaming, "Crucify Him! Crucify Him! His blood be upon us and our children!" Like Lady Macbeth, who washed her murderous hands incessantly, muttering, "Out, out, damned spot!" the descendants of those who had Christ killed attempt to wash away their guilt with lies. There's only One, however, who can wash away anyone's sins. Scripture repeatedly promises He will come again and "they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced and they shall mourn" 16 He who makes the vilest sinners clean will put "a heart of flesh" in Israel, wherein now resides "a heart of stone" against Him. At last God will remove the obsession to defame Him out of Israel. The saga of Christ's dealings with the Jews is thus one of radical extremes: vitriolic hate, as Talmudic Jewry strives to prevent His appearance, and astonishing love, as Christ eventually proves His power to save a whole nation of repentant Jews. Someday all the earth will gasp in amazement saying, "Who is a God like unto Thee, that pardoneth iniquity and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of His heritage?" 17 Endnotes: 1. See, Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism: A Report Provided to the United States Congress, p. 31. 2. See, Bible is Hate, says U.S. Government. 3. See, ADL's Foxman: New Testament is Anti-Semitic. 4. The Babylonian Talmud, translated by Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, Random House, New York, 1989 - ca.97. 5. "Balaam," Jewish Encyclopedia, pg. 469. 6. Mishnah, Sanhedrin, 52a, The Babylonian Talmud, Soncino Press, 1948, London. 7. Sanhedrin, 107b. This is confirmed by The Jewish Encyclopedia article on "Jesus," p.170. 8. Sanhedrin 67a, cited. in The Talmud Unmasked, by Rev. I. B. Pranaitis, p. 34. A number of anti-Christian and Gentile passages of the Talmud, too inflammatory to be included in the 1948 Soncino translation, are presented in this credible work by a dedicated scholar and Hebraist. Many of these passages resurfaced in Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz's recent translation of the Talmud. The Talmud Unmasked is available from Christian Book Club, P.O. Box 566, Palmdale, CA, 93550. ph. (661)274-2240 9. Gittin, 57b. 10. Sanhedrin 43a. 11. Choschen Hammishpat, 156 Haggah. 12. "Gentiles," Jewish Encyclopedia, p. 623. 13. Treatise Semahot, ch. 2, p. 35; translated by Dov Zlotnick of the Jewish Theological Seminary, New Haven and London, 1966. 14. Articles on "Talmud" and "Authority" in the three major encyclopedias of Judaism, The Jewish Encyclopedia, The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, and The Encyclopedia Judaica, agree on the Talmud's vastly greater authority. 15. See, ADL's Foxman: Man of Faith? 16. 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#1. To: Zoroaster, RED JONES, ALLTHEKINGS'HORSESWONTDOIT (#0)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Jesus apparently never existed and miracles are definitely BS, unless centuries- old physics is a conspiracy by wizards. There's no evidence that centuries-old physics is a conspiracy by wizards. If centuries-old physics is not a conspiracy by wizards, then the Bible is a conspiracy. Miracles exist only to deceive people, frequently for the purpose of demoralizing and minimalizing people through intimidation. It may have made eminent sense for many people to buy into the Bible's miracles at one time, but the utility is long gone for most people now. Regardless of the essential flawed nature of the Bible's alleged one-time usefulness, I am not sure that there's a malevolent intent inherent in the Bible's portrayal of Jesus as a bipolar charlatan, but can see no reason to believe otherwise.
One great thing about the Bible they forgot to mention is it proves the world is full of some monstrous sort of bullshit and conspiracy. There's one set of monstrosities for believers, and another for non-believers.
"Miracles exist only to deceive people, frequently for the purpose of demoralizing and minimalizing people through intimidation." "Regardless of the essential flawed nature of the Bible's alleged one-time usefulness I am not sure that there's a malevolent intent inherent in the Bible's portrayal of Jesus as a bipolar charlatan," nobody: Evidently the Jews disagree with you, considering that they wrote about Jesus in their Talmud. Miracles are far from BS; indeed, I've experienced two miracles over the course of my life. The first was in 1970 when I was stationed at Ft. McPhearson, Georgia. The Swine Flu was ravaging the nation. The commanding officer ordered everyone to take the Swine Flue immunizations. I refused. The Lt. Col. in charge of the unit I was with said he would not force me to take it, but if I came down with the flu he would have me court martial. The Swine Flu hit the fort like a ton of bricks! It was so bad that the fort was closed due to a lack of personnel to man the gates. Everyone got it -- except me. The second miracle involved an injury I sustained to my neck and spinal cord. I had a disk herniate in my neck that then exploded into my spinal cord. The neurosurgeon who operated on me called me a walking miracle; that the injury should have either killed me on the spot or paralyzed me from mid-chest down; it did neither. I don't know where you get your ideas about miracles. They are hardly deceptive (having experienced two); nor, do they demoralize or minimalize, considering the recipients of miracles are touched by the hand of God; and what you call intimidation, I call standing is stark awe that God would even bother with a speck of dust like me not once, but twice. You may characterize the Christ as you see fit, but nowhere in the Bible does Jesus exhibit any symptoms of being bi-polar or a charlatan. In fact, the Bible portrays Him as the essence of calm resolve who goes about doing God's work. Obviously you disagree with this assessment now, but I don't believe you'll stick to that opinion come Judgement Day. Unfortunately for you, however, it will be too late for you to get religion. You really need to reassess your attitude now, before God slams shut any chance you have for salvation. Good luck. RO
"The Jews"? WTF? The talmud's another pile of crap designed to rile idiots up about the bible bullshit that was planted earlier. You must be nuts to take all that crap seriously. The talmud and bible are a joke. Just like the shithead who "designed" my mouse driver.
Funny, because I know where you'll say you got yours. Believe me, it's not a request for dialogue with miracle-believers. I am acting as a lecturer here and there will be no convenient period for questions. Ignore me or read me.
Vaccines work ! (They give you the shit. What do they expect after they inject the virus into their system). I did the same thing when I was in the military. No flu shots and no malaria pills for me. (I didn't suffer either ill).
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
Be honest for once. You just cursed me, just like any other idiot fascist fraud of an asshole would. This mouse sucks, btw.
You're lucky, I've never been seriously injured in over 51 years. Your luck has nothing to do with me or miracles. Someone apparently encourages that sort of post-op medical "advice" it seems so common to hear of it.
Will someone please show rense how to post fucking links? His articles may be true, but he sure could make it easier to verify. Surely the talmud is online somewhere. Here's one: www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/102406. htm "The tactics of many anti-Semitic groups include the propagation of conspiracy theories, Holocaust denial, and the attribution to Jews of a satanic and “cosmic” evil. Traditional conspiracy theories claiming Jewish control of global financial systems, the media, the U.S. government, or Hollywood remain widespread. May and July 2007 Anti-Defamation League polls found that 39% of Polish respondents and 26% of Hungarian respondents, respectively, agrees that the Jews are responsible for the death of Christ." They ARE responsible. Pilate wanted to let Him go. But it was all part of The Plan. And at least the jews are honest about what they think of Christ. They hate Him now, but that will change.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
How anyone can read this and take it seriously is beyond me. It's got to be a joke. Lighting someone buried in shit? Did they forget the wax? Imagine the stink. It's nuts.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
Oh, but I insist. My latest miracle happened 2 winters ago. I drive trucks for a living. I was going thru WY. Between Cheyenne and Laramie there is a long and steep grade. I found myself going down that grade with a light load. That is a bad combination in the shitstorm I found myself in. Light loads and bad roads do not mix. The only reason I was on the road is because I checked the weather with 3 sources. Even the DOT at the port of entry said all was OK. But I still had a bad feeling. Anyway, I found myself in a real mess, and I was really scared, I dont mind admitting it. Vertigo set in. I thought I was moving 5-10 mph, but I was standing still. My windshield iced up to the point that if I didnt clear it, I'd be driving blind real soon. So I pulled over onto the shoulder, and took out a roadside reflector in the process. I stopped and looked down to set my brakes and I heard a crack. I looked up and my windshield was spotless. Not even a drop of water, no ice anywhere to be seen. I was the last one down that hill. For a long time, there was no one behind me. They had to have shut down that road after I went thru. The Lord looked out for me that day.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
The historian Tertullian implies that Pilate actually became a Christian. He also claims that the "Jews" EXTORTED the crucifixion decree from Pilate. The problem with they hate Him now but that will change is mistaking most so-called Jews with Israelites. The Pharisees were told by Christ that their laws made His Father's laws OF NO EFFECT. This was because the Pharisees were Babylonian Mystery Religion adherents having been trained in exile and upon returning to Palestine/Jerusalem were teaching what we today call the Babylonian Talmud that hadn't been codified at the time of Christ. One evidence of this fact is that there is no mention of synagogues existing prior to the return from the Babylonian Captivity. [Later referred to as the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN and THOSE WHO SAY THEY ARE JEWS BUT ARE NOT (REVELATIONS 2:9 AND 3:9]. Modern Rabbis claim to have descended directly from the Pharisees in an UNBROKEN CHAIN, and would more accurately be described as Babylonians, and not Israel at all. The Book of Hosea details how Israel (true Israelites) will forget who they are for a long time and won't recall their ancestory until the last days. We are there ... it's time for this to happen and it is.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
Jews? Extort? Nah... they arent capable of that... /sarcasm That is a mistake I commonly make. It's the difference between the jews and the Israelites, what happened before Babylon and after, etc. There are so many varieties of jews, it gets confusing sometimes, trying to keep it all straight. I have to say that you confuse me. On one hand, you seem hostile to Christianity, on the other hand, you seem to know a lot, and know scripture and don't treat it with disrespect. But I am also hostile to Christianity (churchianity). So maybe we see things the same way. I dont know. I'll check out Hosea.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
But I am also hostile to churchianity. Two things that certainly help me keep my eye on the ball are that the Messiah said that only good fruit grows on a good tree and bad fruit on a bad tree, no exceptions. What we call the State of Israel is a shit tree that only produces shit. Secondly, Old Testament understanding was widely known and available for centuries. This made it less likely to be rewritten to assist governments in controlling their citizens. This is not true of the New Testament. I tend to compare New Testament Scripture to the old for verification because God says He's the same forever. I also compare historical accounts to Biblical Scripture with an open mind. Hypocrisy rules churchianity. Christ stated clearly that his followers would suffer persecution like He did ... but as soon as a little persecution occurs to members of churchianity they are confounded, dismayed and told to tithe more, refusing to accept the clear admonishment of their Messiah. A clear understanding of the two captivities is imperative to begin to understand the bible. It also helps to keep an open mind admitting our own ignorance but searching diligently for the TRUTH, for He said I AM THE TRUTH. Mystery Babylon, MOTHER OF HARLOTS is an expression that tells us where the false religions, fake monetary system and cabbala originated. God uses whoredom to describe Israelites that whore around with other religious concepts, and the MOTHER is who births them. All of God's enemies originated in Babylon. They have taken on different disguises over time in order to confuse the masses. They are Popes (priests/preachers), Masonics (politicians and bankers) and High Level Jews/Sanhedrin ... spiritual wickedness in high places. At any rate I enjoy studying these things as I believe they are important to understanding our enemies. And I think God gave us a heavenly place to live that we have covered with concrete and bombs.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
All I can say to that is Amen, bro!!!!!!!
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
Wow. If that had happened to me, I'd have correctly assumed that, while I wasn't looking, the ice slid off in one piece during braking.
I didnt see you there. Maybe you were hiding behind some trees. Visibility was rather poor and I just missed you.. LOL I am sure that is "correct". Or, about as correct as your assessment. But that's OK, believe what you want.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
Nice sales job, but the Bible is still a piece of shit, no matter who's pushing it. Anyway, have fun being bitter about the crucifiction.
"I have to say that you confuse me. On one hand, you seem hostile to Christianity, on the other hand, you seem to know a lot, and know scripture and don't treat it with disrespect. " When I wrote the above, I think I mixed you up with another member (nobody). Sorry about that.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
I spent a couple of decades, at least, giving the Bible more credit than I'd give any organized religion that was based on it. Then, one day, I realized that the reason why all the churches based on the Bible were screwed up, including the religion I was raised in. It was at least partly because science had long ago revealed beyond any reasonable doubt that the Bible was full of lies. Only the profit motive keeps the scheme alive today. Everyone who defends the Bible strongly here has to rely on cronyism, lies, abuse and ignorance to sell that crap. Other than that, it's amusing to watch forum fascists assemble at various times to sell it, again and again. You can't separate the Bible and its omnipresent fruits (the churches).
Who is the bitter one here? Like I said earlier, believe what you want.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
Yes you can. It's called "coming out of Babylon". Christ really raked the religious leaders over the coals. If He came back today, He'd do the same thing, because they have gotten worse. That is assuming, of course, that the church would even voluntarily let Him in the door in the first place.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
The Talmud says: On Passover Eve, they hanged Jesus of Nazareth. And the herald went before him forty days, and proclaimed 'Jesus of Nazareth is going out to be stoned because he practiced sorcery, incited and led Israel astray. Whoever knows of an argument that may be proposed in his favor should come present that argument on his behalf.' But the judges did not find an argument in his favor, and so they hanged him on Passover Eve. 4 The Talmud describes torture inflicted on Jesus before His death. "All four legal methods of execution stoning, burning, decapitation and strangling were employed". 5 The Talmud elaborates on "burning." It involved Jesus being: "lowered in dung up to his armpits, then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound around his neck and the two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead, forcing him to open his mouth. A wick was then lit, and thrown into his mouth, so that it descended into his body, burning his bowels." 6 Jesus, says the Talmud, was excommunicated for the thought of seducing a woman. In His ensuing grief and confusion, He fell down and worshipped a brick. 7 The Talmud says Jesus "was a fool and we do not pay attention to what fools do." 8 According to the Talmud, Jesus is now in hell, writhing in eternal agony. The Talmud asks: "'What is your punishment?' He replied, 'With boiling hot semen'" 9 Nothing has changed in 2,000 years, these children of Satan promote the same thing today. In a "friend of the court" brief to the Sepreme Court of the United States of USrael, they argued to have Americans killed by the same four methods [one of them, decapitation, is of course, already legal: NOW THE GOVERNMENT CAN LEGALLY CHRISTIANS - Congressman Bill Dannemeyer http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=70165 PING
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#2. To: Zoroaster (#0)
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#3. To: Zoroaster (#0)
#4. To: nobody (#2)
"Jesus apparently never existed and miracles are definitely BS...."
#5. To: ReallyOrnery (#4)
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Evidently the Jews disagree with you
#6. To: ReallyOrnery (#4)
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I don't know where you get your ideas about miracles.
#7. To: ReallyOrnery (#4)
Everyone got it -- except me.
#8. To: ReallyOrnery (#4)
Good luck.
#9. To: ReallyOrnery (#4)
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The second miracle involved an injury I sustained to my neck and spinal cord. I had a disk herniate in my neck that then exploded into my spinal cord. The neurosurgeon who operated on me called me a walking miracle; that the injury should have either killed me on the spot or paralyzed me from mid-chest down; it did neither.
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#11. To: Zoroaster (#0)
"lowered in dung up to his armpits, then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound around his neck and the two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead, forcing him to open his mouth. A wick was then lit, and thrown into his mouth, so that it descended into his body, burning his bowels." 6
#12. To: PSUSA (#10)
Surely the talmud is online somewhere.
#13. To: nobody (#6)
Believe me, it's not a request for dialogue with miracle-believers.
#14. To: PSUSA (#10)
They ARE responsible. Pilate wanted to let Him go. But it was all part of The Plan. And at least the jews are honest about what they think of Christ. They hate Him now, but that will change.
#15. To: noone222 (#14)
#16. To: PSUSA (#15)
But I am also hostile to Christianity (churchianity).
#17. To: noone222 (#16)
#18. To: PSUSA (#13)
#19. To: nobody (#18)
Wow. If that had happened to me, I'd have correctly assumed that, while I wasn't looking, the ice slid off in one piece during braking.
#20. To: PSUSA (#15)
#21. To: noone222 (#16)
#22. To: PSUSA (#21)
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#23. To: nobody (#20)
Nice sales job, but the Bible is still a piece of shit, no matter who's pushing it. Anyway, have fun being bitter about the crucifiction.
#24. To: nobody (#22)
You can't separate the Bible and its omnipresent fruits (the churches).
#25. To: Zoroaster, IndieTX (#0)
Foxman, as an Orthodox Jew, knows plenty about another book whose vitriol is far darker than that of the Bible. The highest religious and ethical authority of modern Judaism, the Babylonian Talmud, states that Jewish leaders did have Christ condemned to death. In fact, the Talmud says they did it entirely without the Romans' help! Jewish authorities killed Christ not by crucifixion (illegal in Jewish law) but by the legal methods prescribed by Talmudic law.
Bryan v. Moore Supreme Court of the United States
ARGUMENT
Introduction
Capital punishment is a penalty prescribed by Biblical law for the commission of offenses that violate ritual prohibitions (such as deliberate desecration of the Sabbath) as well as laws regarding interpersonal relationships (murder, kidnapping, incest). The Biblical text explicitly specifies two forms of execution: stoning (Exodus 17:4, 8:22; Numbers 14:10) and burning (Leviticus 20:14, 21:9). The oral tradition includes two additional means -- strangulation and decapitation.....
B. "Burning" Was Intended To Be a Quick and Relatively Painless Non-disfiguring Form of Execution.
The Mishna in Sanhedrin (52a) also described the procedure for "burning" and stated clearly that it did not involve actual resort to fire or flames. Rather, an extremely hot object (or wick) was inserted into the mouth of the condemned individual so as to cause instantaneous death. Here, too, the objective was to cause death quickly and without mutilation of the body.
Indeed, the Mishna concludes with a very revealing passage that condemns any court that would put an accused to death with actual flames (id.; emphasis added):
Rabbi Elazar the son of Rabbi Tzadok said "An incident once occurred with the daughter of a priest who committed adultery and they surrounded her with bundles of branches and burned her." The other rabbis responded to him, "That was done because the court that performed this execution was not knowledgeable."
The concluding comment of the Mishna indicates that regardless of the common understanding of "burning," the rabbis believed that a court that would actually set a person on fire was a court acting in error. The Talmud, in fact, explains that the incident reported in the Mishna was the work of a court of Sadducees (i.e., those who mistakenly applied the Biblical text without taking account of the oral tradition and rabbinic interpretation). This passage demonstrates once again the rabbis’ primary concern that the method of execution not cause unnecessary pain or disfigurement of the body......
In an important prisoners’-rights case, however, Deputy President of the Supreme Court Menachem Elon wrote an opinion in which he said (State of Israel v. Tamir, 37(iii) P.D. 201 (1983)):
Jewish Law was particularly insistent on the preservation of even a criminal’s rights and dignity during the course of punishment. Maimonides, after dealing with the types of punishment a court may impose, including imprisonment, concludes: "All these matters apply to the extent that the judge deems appropriate and necessary for the needs of the time. In all matters, he shall act for the sake of Heaven and not regard human dignity lightly . . . . He must be careful not to destroy their dignity." According to Jewish law, a death sentence must be carried out with the minimum of suffering and without offense to human dignity. This is based on the Biblical verse, "Love your fellow as yourself," and the rule is, "Choose for him a humane death." From this we declare that even a condemned felon is your "fellow."8
Contemporary Jewish Law coincides with the Jewish Law doctrines that governed two millennia ago. It is not permissible to execute a condemned man or woman by means that cause unnecessary pain, delay or disfigurement. Even in the rare case when the State has determined that the accused must be put to death because he or she committed a heinous offense, the condemned is legally entitled to consideration and dignity.
Unless, of course, your name is Jesus Christ, God of all Creation. And those who are called by His name will be treated the same. This little statement from the "friendly" brief ties it all together:
"II MODERN APPLICATION OF JEWISH LAW IMPLEMENTS THE SAME PRINCIPLES OF HUMANITY AND CONSIDERATION
The State of Israel has abolished capital punishment for all offenses other than genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity, crimes against the Jewish people, and treason in wartime....."
So anyone who insists on promoting the Word of God as put forth in the New Testament, would be, according to the USrael Department of State, be committing "crimes against the Jewish people", and likewise, anyone speaking against the NeoCon's war [Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God] would be guilty of treason....and off with their head.
You can read the rest of their arguments for their macabre way of thinking Here: http://www.jlaw.com/Briefs/capital2.html
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The Talmud says:
On Passover Eve, they hanged Jesus of Nazareth......
I for one will be watching and praying to see what happens THIS passover [Vengeance is mine, saith the LORD.....1Cr 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.]....
Passover Confusion 2008
"...The month of Nisan starts the year and has 29 days in it. It starts on a new moon as the first day of the month. The full moon always occurs half way in this 29 day cycle. That means the moon will be full on the 14th day of Nisan. We do not know the exact time because the exact time of the new moon will determine the exact time of the full moon. This we do know, that the moon must be full prior to the evening of the Passover. The 14th must occur before the Passover is held.
Passover facts:
The Passover lamb is killed about 3pm in the afternoon. It is then cleansed and prepared for roasting. A fire is started and the lamb is roasted slowly so the meat is cooked throughout. If the lamb is roasted to fast the outside will be cooked but the inside and around the bones will still be raw meat. It takes about 3 hours for a lamb to be roasted correctly. As it is being roasted the other elements of the Passover are gathered or prepared. The unleavened bread is baked which takes very little time about a hour. The bitter herbs are collected and the Passover wine is placed on the table (more on wine below).
All of this takes place on the afternoon of the 14th of Nisan. Remember, the day the lamb is killed IS NOT THE PASSOVER! Remember in Egypt the lamb was killed on the 14th, but the PASSOVER DID NOT OCCUR UNTIL 9 HOURS LATER AT MIDNIGHT. So, when is the true Passover? Is it the day the lamb is killed or the day the blood is applied and the Passover took place?
This sets forth the answer to a riddle that exposes the novices trying to invent their own day for Passover and they know nothing about the true Passover at all. Passover takes place at midnight on a new Jewish day that began at sundown. If the lamb is killed on the afternoon of the 14th, sundown begins the 15th. The 15th is the true day of observing the Lord's Passover and this is the day Jesus was crucified.
Jesus was not crucified at the same time the Passover lamb was killed.
We know this to be a fact because Jesus and his disciples observed the true Passover according to the Law. If Jesus did not observe the true Passover according to the Law then he sinned. A person who did not observe the Passover on the correct evening was to be cut off from Israel (Numbers 9:13).
Jesus was forced to observe the Passover correctly on the right evening or be cut off. This is serious and we do not doubt Jesus held the Passover correctly. I make this a strong issue because many novices are setting churches to observe Passover on the evening of the 14th of Nisan thinking that the Jews anciently did this. This is false! I cannot stress how false this is. If the Passover took place at midnight of the 14th, this would mean the lamb was killed on the 13th day of the month and this defies every thing we know about the ordinance for Passover. The lamb was to be kept up until the 14th and then killed. It was not kept up until the 13th and then killed so they could observe the day of Passover on the 14th. ........
Passover this year 2008 begins sundown April 20th. Jews who celebrate the 14th will start Passover on Saturday night. Again, this means the lamb was killed on the 13th and this is false. Many Jews are holding the Passover and first day of Unleavened Bread on the wrong evening. Passover occurs on Sunday at sundown and the Feast of Unleavened Bread begins that night and ends on April 27th. Jesus was crucified on the 15th of Nisan and he became our Passover Lamb. By his blood through our baptism, we are exempt from all future judgment and wrath of God if we observe his commandment to observe this annual celebration...."
http://jesus-messiah.com/html/passover-confusion-2008.html
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze039.html#17
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Exd/Exd012.html#29
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat025.html#6 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/25/6.html
Darkness at Full Moon? http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=76308
Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16-29/The US IS STILL A JUDEO-BRITISH COLONY EXTORTING TAXES FOR 'THE CROWN'. 401 years since they planted the cross and dedicated this country to Jesus Christ on April 29, 1607 [Julian Calendar; April 19th, Gregorian calendar. See the "401st Stripe": http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bi...?ArtNum=77315&Disp=46#C46 ].
The Blood Moon Eclipse, The Middle East, And End Time Events [Signs in the Sky?] http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75014
It looks like Jesus will have to settle this once and for all:
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/3/9.html
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat013.html#41
That would include the Babylonian Talmud, and this ANTICHRIST GOVERNMENT, and the Pharisees who have infiltrated the church with their leaven:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/13/33.html
Isa 52:12 For ye shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight: for the LORD will go before you; and the God of Israel [ + + + http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn001.html#49 ] [will be] your rereward. + + + http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa052.html#12
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I think this government [Ezekiel 17:7-10] may have signed its own death warrant. Ezekiel 17:1-10/John 15:1/Matthew 15:11-13.
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President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
#26. To: Zoroaster (#0)
Welcome to the New World Luciferian Order John 15:—
#27. To: PSUSA (#23) (Edited)
No question it's annoying watching fascists assemble together over their favorite lie. Number 2 and they try harder. Fascist #2 con artists have the numbers, and they are popular with each other, no question. No question you clowns could give someone a nervous breakdown if you push your BS down on them hard enough. Go ahead, revel in that, prove again how cruel and loathsome Christianity can be when it has a victim. Well, don't forget to also enjoy your cameraderie of bitterness at "the jews" later. I notice it never goes anywhere any more without one of you #2 pyramid suckers getting your clock cleaned by the #1 religious scam. The sucker is abusive and will get no positive character reference from me. Keep isolating the Bible from its fruits and pretending your own Bible ass- fruit is magically delicious. Does it make you happy? R-O-F-L.
Who is the bitter one here?
#28. To: ReallyOrnery (#4)
You may characterize the Christ as you see fit, but nowhere in the Bible does Jesus exhibit any symptoms of being bi-polar or a charlatan. In fact, the Bible portrays Him as the essence of calm resolve who goes about doing God's work. Obviously you disagree with this assessment now, but I don't believe you'll stick to that opinion come Judgement Day. Unfortunately for you, however, it will be too late for you to get religion. You really need to reassess your attitude now, before God slams shut any chance you have for salvation. Good luck. Excellent post.
I don't know where you get your ideas about miracles. They are hardly deceptive (having experienced two); nor, do they demoralize or minimalize, considering the recipients of miracles are touched by the hand of God; and what you call intimidation, I call standing is stark awe that God would even bother with a speck of dust like me not once, but twice.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#29. To: _______ (#26) (Edited)
Jhn 15:1 I AM the true vine [CHRIST, CHRISTIANITY, THINK CROSS AT CAPE HENRY, 1607], and my Father is the husbandman. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/15/1.html www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze017.html#top Eze 17:5 He took also of the seed of the land [THINK SEED, AS IN CHRIST AND CHRISTIANS GALATIANS 3:16-29], and planted it in a fruitful field [THINK AMERICA, THE NEW, REVIVED ISRAEL, WHOSE KING IS THE KING OF ISRAEL, JESUS CHRIST: THINK "MUSTARD SEED" MATTHEW 13:31-32]; he placed [it] by great waters, [and] set it [as] a willow tree. Eze 17:6 And it grew, and became a spreading vine of low stature, whose branches turned toward him, and the roots thereof were under him: so it became a vine, and brought forth branches, and shot forth sprigs. [THINK CHRISTIAN CHURCH, KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, KINGDOM OF GOD, NEW TEMPLE, SEE MICAH 4] Ezekiel 17:7 : CORNWALLIS TO GEORGE WASHINGTON: A HOLY WAR WILL NOW BEGIN AGAINST AMERICA....HER CHURCHES WILL BE USED TO TEACH THE JEWS RELIGION....ETC.. SEE SWEETLIBERTY.ORG THE UNION JACK....SEE PSALM 2. John 15:1 I AM the true vine, and my father is the husbandman.....Matthew 15:11...the Pharisees were offended....Matthew 15:13 Anything not planted by my father will be rooted up. and Thy will be done.
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
#30. To: James Deffenbach (#28)
Just watching the Bible fascists assemble here and pretend it's not to discourage valid criticism is something to behold. Tell me, did you notice how he completely ignored the word "usually" in order to misrepresent my statement and to give himself a false leg-up in his reply? Very Christian of him, no? I'll bet you noticed it, enjoyed it, and won't admit it. That's Christian fascism for ya - anti-intellectual intellectual thuggery, and more. Fortunately for me this is the internet and so one of you can't pretend to accidentally shove me into another one of you.
#31. To: James Deffenbach (#28)
I gotta be honest here - you're both full of shit and proud of it.
Excellent post
#32. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#29)
You isolate the Bible from its fruits by condemning "churchianity" while lauding the Bible that feeds that "churchianity." Christian zionists own the Bible now. Assuming you are authentic here, as a Bible-pusher eventually you'll jump when Christian zionism says "jump" loudly enough for you to hear while you're dead asleeep, no question.
#33. To: All (#25)
I ran across this today, and don't have time to post it. Please read, and see the links to the letters at the bottom of this article. They are in PDF, which I can't read anyway. Congressman Dannemeyer has been threatened by these people....he believes for exposing the way this antichrist law was passed by fraud and deception, and the official record states it was by UNANIMOUS CONSENT in the House, when in fact, they sent everyone home, like they did with the Federal Reserve and Social Security scams, and passed it with a handful of people....FOUR, to be exact, according to Dannemeyer. "The Noahide Laws The Jews’ Secret Way to Murder Christians – by Beheading!! And Most Christians Don’t Even Know These Laws Have Been PASSED by the United States Government! Lorraine Day, M.D......" http://www.takebackourrights.org/docs/noahidelaw.html The above is the continuing saga in this story I first posted back here: NOW THE GOVERNMENT CAN LEGALLY KILL CHRISTIANS [Cong. Bill Dannemeyer explains how the NOAHIDE LAW was treacherously passed.] http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=70165 ================
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
#34. To: PSUSA (#24)
You forgot to mention the vandalism and terrorism in the temple. And, oh yeah, the "turn the other cheek" thing. Oh! .... and the multiplying fishes!!!
Christ really raked the religious leaders over the coals.
#35. To: nobody (#30) (Edited)
The only time that word appears in this thread is in the above quote. "I'll bet you noticed it," I dont see how anyone could notice it, if it isn't there to begin with. "Fortunately for me this is the internet and so one of you can't pretend to accidentally shove me into another one of you. " Who would bother? And WE are bitter?
Tell me, did you notice how he completely ignored the word "usually"
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
#36. To: nobody (#32)
You are totally without understanding. ReallyOrnery tried in a kind way, to instruct you in the truth for your own benefit and salvation, but you refuse instruction. I have tried to instruct you as well. I am very sorry for you. For some reason, I don't know why, it appears you haven't been chosen by Christ. Hope that makes you mad. Maybe it will make you stop and think. There is still time to repent, and invite Him into your heart, but I think that time is running out fast.
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
#37. To: PSUSA (#35)
How about "frequently"? Geeze, horses and drinks, I tell ya.
The only time that word appears in this thread is in the above quote.
#38. To: PSUSA (#35)
Let's not beat about the bushes here --- Who's responsible for the crucifixion?
WE are bitter?
#39. To: nobody (#31)
You "gotta be honest"? uh huh. What it SOUNDS like you "gotta be," or have chosen to be, is a heathen. I could say I hope that works out well for you but I know it won't.
I gotta be honest here - you're both full of shit and proud of it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#40. To: nobody (#37)
You said: "Miracles exist only to deceive people, frequently for the purpose of demoralizing and minimalizing people through intimidation. " My bad. I didn't sift thru all of your posts and find 1 word with a similar meaning. Silly me. So, miracles exist? But they are only to deceive people. But they exist. They intimidate, but miracles exist. They demoralize, but they exist. Do they exist or don't they? If you dont believe in miracles, then say so. But dont say that they exist, but they are this, that, and the other thing without showing how this is the case. Sorry, but you are not making sense here. Try and let that bitterness go, and you will think straight. There is no reason for it, because I wont take the bait by acting like how you think I should act, or how you are trying to get me to act.
How about "frequently"?
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
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