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Title: There Must Never Be Another Waco!
Source: Chuck Baldwin Live
URL Source: http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20080418.html
Published: Apr 18, 2008
Author: Chuck Baldwin
Post Date: 2008-04-18 17:23:54 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 259
Comments: 13

On February 28, 1993, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF, now known as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives or BATFE) began their assault on the home of the Branch Davidians outside Waco, Texas. An unarmed David Koresh was shot by the agents as he stepped onto his front porch. A shootout resulted with several deaths on both sides.

Shortly afterward, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) took charge of the situation, and on April 19, 1993 agents from both departments (utilizing military hardware and both U.S. and foreign military advisers) assaulted the dwellings, which resulted in the deaths of 80 American citizens. Most of the victims were old men, women, and small children.

The events at Waco have contributed to the disdain of federal abuse of power like nothing since the Boston Massacre back in 1770. (By comparison, the British killed 5 Americans in that assault.) Moved by grassroots pressure, the Congress of the United States convened special hearings into the conduct of those federal agencies responsible for the Waco debacle. The result was less than satisfactory to many Americans.

The congressional hearings, along with eyewitness testimony and subsequent infrared video of the events at Waco led many to believe that federal agents were allowed to lie under oath with impunity. It is a fact that crucial evidence was conveniently "lost" by federal agents. Worse still was the release of videotapes of the events by investigative reporters showing the utter absurdity and duplicity of the government's account of the tragedy.

At the end of the hearings, questions remained unanswered, and no one within the federal government was held accountable. Davidians who survived the raid were tried for murder. A jury found them innocent, but no charges were ever brought against any federal agents.

Whatever one thinks of David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, they had committed no capital crimes. Neither could the charges of child abuse, illegal weapons, or illegal drug activity (charges that were used by the feds to justify their raid) be substantiated.

Furthermore, it is unconscionable (not to mention a violation of U.S. law as prescribed in the Posse Comitatus Act--a law that President Bush recently had the audacity to expunge, by the way) that tanks and other military equipment would be used against mostly women and children within our own country. The bizarre tactics employed by the BATF and FBI at Waco are unfathomable and unforgivable! Our government has been more lenient and patient when dealing with many of America's deadliest enemies than it was in dealing with those poor Davidians.

There must never be another Waco!

God-given, constitutional liberties apply to every American, even those who are considered strange or unconventional. Under no circumstances must we allow federal agencies (or any other agencies, for that matter) to circumvent the laws of our nation that protect individual life and liberty. And, unfortunately, with the advent of the Patriot Act, the federal government has far more power and authority--and individuals have far less freedom and protection--than in 1993. This portends an even more ominous future for liberty.

The demands of liberty and justice rest upon us all. Certainly, Congress plays a part. Their investigation into Waco was inept, to say the least. The media also plays an important role. They have the power to inform; they also have the power to sedate. Absent a love for truth and justice by a lackadaisical media and a cowardly Congress, the fires of Waco still burn in the heart of the American conscience.

Beyond that, under the Bush administration, we have watched the size and scope of the federal government burgeon to proportions never before seen. It seems clear that we have entered an era of unlimited and unbridled federal power and authority. Can we assume, therefore, that more Wacos are on the horizon?

It is incumbent upon each of us to seriously ponder our future. It is imperative that each of us be willing to study, once again, the great principles upon which this country was built. Such a study demands that we re-familiarize ourselves with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. We must re-read our Declaration of Independence. We must read the words of wisdom and warning delivered by our Founding Fathers. In short, we must be completely familiar with the principles of liberty, because those principles made us, and those principles will keep us. Without them, liberty's future is about as permanent as the wooden buildings at Mt. Carmel. Without them, the fire of tyranny will reduce us to the cinders of obscurity as surely as did the fire outside Waco, Texas on April 19, 1993.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-18   17:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: ghostdogtxn (#1)

There will be Wacos to the nth power.

You're probably right.

The system is so rotted to the core, ever aspect of it, from local to state to federal gov't, and 99.9% of the media that it will take wholesale destruction to ever get it back to right again.

Tagline space for rent.

Critter  posted on  2008-04-18   17:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#0)

A link for the Waco novice:

www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/

Not for the feint of heart, but if you can handle it, browse it thoroughly. It takes a while.

Tagline space for rent.

Critter  posted on  2008-04-18   17:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ada (#0)

There Must Never Be Another Waco!

If we can hold on through the night.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-04-18   18:46:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: MUDDOG (#4)

Such a study demands that we re-familiarize ourselves with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. We must re-read our Declaration of Independence. We must read the words of wisdom and warning delivered by our Founding Fathers. In short, we must be completely familiar with the principles of liberty, because those principles made us, and those principles will keep us. Without them, liberty's future is about as permanent as the wooden buildings at Mt. Carmel. Without them, the fire of tyranny will reduce us to the cinders of obscurity as surely as did the fire outside Waco, Texas on April 19, 1993.

What a load of crap. Useless crap! Typical, coming from a bullshit "pastor".

Knowing about what the Constitution and Declaration say is not enough. That just makes for some smart patriotic DEAD PEOPLE!!! Fedgov doesn't give a rats ass what these documents say.

Study fieldcraft, small unit tactics, guerilla warfare, marksmanship, etc.

There wont be another Waco. Too many people are watching.

------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-18   19:23:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PSUSA, christine, ALL (#5) (Edited)

Knowing about what the Constitution and Declaration say is not enough. That just makes for some smart patriotic DEAD PEOPLE!!! Fedgov doesn't give a rats ass what these documents say.

Study fieldcraft, small unit tactics, guerilla warfare, marksmanship, etc. ========== It IS the only way my friend.

"Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, thereby those important events of the past usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat.

"There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth.

"And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission.

"How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler.

"He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I destroyed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it has forgotten.

"More than four hundred years ago a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives.

"So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you then I would suggest you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot."

"V"

This IS AMERIKA today folks.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-04-18   19:52:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ada (#0)

On February 28, 1993, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF, now known as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives or BATFE)

Henceforth to be known as the Bureau of Armed Torch Force or Jack Booted Thugs for short.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-04-18   19:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ada (#0)

The congressional hearings, along with eyewitness testimony and subsequent infrared video of the events at Waco led many to believe that federal agents were allowed to lie under oath with impunity.

Thats what I saw. The congressional staffs knew damn good and well what the FLIR video revealed but were too scared of the Law Enforcement complex to state the obvious.

I suppose that makes them complcit, an accessory, the the charge of mass murder.

Waco was the day that the scales fell from this citizen's eyes.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-04-18   20:53:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tom007 (#8)

Wasn't one of the commie mommy senators mishandling a pristine, wooden stocked AK47 that was supposedly converted to full auto, illegally, and was supposedly found in the BURNED ruins of the "compound"?

Tagline space for rent.

Critter  posted on  2008-04-18   20:57:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: tom007 (#8)

Let me be very clear.

John Danforth is a white washing son of a mother forking bitch.

Ohhh, that SOB!

_______  posted on  2008-04-18   21:01:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Critter (#9)

one of the commie mommy senators mishandling a pristine, wooden stocked AK47 that was supposedly converted to full auto, illegally, and was supposedly found in the BURNED ruins of the "compound"?

I do have a vague memory of that. There were so many things.

And the US press - they were certainly an accessory to the crime.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-04-18   21:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: tom007 (#8)

Waco Siege Investigator Found Dead In His Home

By Cindy Loose
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 29, 2000; Page B03

Carlos Ghigliotti, who had been retained by a U.S. House committee to help investigate the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Tex., was found dead in Laurel under unexplained circumstances yesterday.

"We're investigating it as a homicide," said Laurel police spokesman Jim Collins. Ghigliotti, 42, was found about 1:30 p.m. in the 600 block of Washington Boulevard. His body was badly decomposed, said police. There were no signs of a break-in or a struggle at the home, where Ghigliotti ran his business, Infrared Technologies Corp., police said. An expert in thermal imaging and videotape, Ghigliotti told the House Government Reform Committee in October that his analysis of tapes at Waco indicated that an FBI agent fired shots at the compound on April 19, the final day of the siege--a view disputed by the FBI.

Michael Caddell, lead lawyer in a $100 million wrongful death lawsuit stemming from the Waco siege, said last night that he recently had discussed the findings with Ghigliotti and intended to retain him--not only because his work was impressive but also because Caddell's first expert had suffered a stoke recently. Caddell said that two weeks ago he wrote to Waco Special Counsel John C. Danforth, urging that he interview Ghigliotti immediately. Caddell said he'd heard of Ghigliotti's death yesterday from Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.), chair of the committee that retained Ghigliotti. Police called Burton, Caddell said, because his business card was found in Ghigliotti's pocket.

A building manager, concerned that no one had seen Ghigliotti for some weeks, contacted police, who found the body. Michael McNulty, who made a documentary film about Waco that was instrumental in reopening the investigation, said he had been looking forward to seeing Ghigliotti's conclusions. He added, "My impression is that the work he did was significant and important."

Ghigliotti's body was transported to the chief medical examiner's office in Baltimore for an autopsy.

Staff writer Richard Leiby contributed to this report.

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_______  posted on  2008-04-18   21:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: tom007 (#11)

And the US press - they were certainly an accessory to the crime.

What treason ARE THEY NOT a party to??

They are complicit in every dastardly deed that does not advance their World Order agenda.

_______  posted on  2008-04-18   21:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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