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Title: Hi, Robin! Hi!!!
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Published: Apr 18, 2008
Author: YertleTurtle
Post Date: 2008-04-18 22:29:36 by YertleTurtle
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Comments: 159

Robin's got me on Bozo.

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Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 151.

#2. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

I think angle is the one that has me on bozo but not sure. I was so proud of my zero too. Course they can see threads that you start.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-04-18   22:41:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't have you on bozo, but I put YT on bozo today. I posted an article from Spiegel asking why does America have a Holocaust Museum but no museum for slavery. YT came on immediately with a rude, racist and unnecessary remark that really had nothing to do with the discussion. And I decided I was fed up with this sort of attitude (or is that attytood). In fact, I put everyone on that thread on bozo. It was a very cleansing experience, I can tell you.

robin  posted on  2008-04-18   22:46:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It was a very cleansing experience, I can tell you.

robin...

Bozoing does not work. It is self defeating, akin to book burning. No one gets rousted here any more than me but I refuse to BOZO.

I call people now and then on their vulgar language but I do not bozo them.

I am sorry to see you do that. Ignore if you must but bozo is not your way.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-18   22:57:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I see no point in reading aimless, vulgar, unwarranted personal attacks. Life's too short.

robin  posted on  2008-04-18   23:05:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I see no point in reading aimless, vulgar, unwarranted personal attacks. Life's too short.

robin...

I even read the vulgar mouthings of ghost, McIver and a couple of others.

The reflection is on them, not me. Most of the time, they and most others are adding something.

I take them to task for it. If you think Turtle crossed a line, tell him, but dont bozo.

We are ALL strident, ridged and inflexible about some issues, that is human nature, but no cause to turn a deaf ear. That solves nothing.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-18   23:12:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We are ALL strident, ridged and inflexible about some issues, that is human nature, but no cause to turn a deaf ear. That solves nothing.

robin doesn't like me because I'm actually descended from freed slaves owned by the Cherokee and I was trying to get a point across to her but the guilt took over.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-18   23:19:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm actually descended from freed slaves owned by the Cherokee

For real?

When I bring up American Indians, I get zero response. I have concluded as such, AI's have no tailcoats to ride to the halls of opressive power over others, therefore, ignorable and unimportant. American history books may one day never mention them.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-18   23:25:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

For real?

For real and documented. Family members were putting together a family tree last year and unearthed this. It took them six months of "No way!" and researching back through the Dawes Rolls to confirm it.

Oddly enough, everyone in this generation looks pretty Irish.

So, its a bit of a surprise but does it matter? Only to a left-wing racist who would want to put me on a "program" to "make up" for "historical wrongs" - BAH!

mirage  posted on  2008-04-18   23:30:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

For real and documented. Family members were putting together a family tree last year and unearthed this. It took them six months of "No way!" and researching back through the Dawes Rolls to confirm it.

Oddly enough, everyone in this generation looks pretty Irish.

So, its a bit of a surprise but does it matter? Only to a left-wing racist who would want to put me on a "program" to "make up" for "historical wrongs" - BAH!

First thanks for responding... What a great story to know. It's so interesting when a family member brings something to you that you would never imagine. Something similar happened to me, but in diverse ways on both sides of my own family. It was strange how I found my mind grabbing info, grasping for perspective that was very different than what I thought I 'knew'.

Oddly enough, everyone in this generation looks pretty Irish.

:) I was the only one that did. LOLOL!! Makes ya wonder at family picture time...

So, its a bit of a surprise but does it matter? Only to a left-wing racist who would want to put me on a "program" to "make up" for "historical wrongs" - BAH!

It matters *when* victimology decides who DESERVES priority. As if your blood is less important. As if, compensation comes in the form of oppressing others. As if, that's what we really need or want. As if, that would bring the peace and harmony they preach would be achieved through political means.

BAH!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-18   23:46:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

:) I was the only one that did. LOLOL!! Makes ya wonder at family picture time...

Well, this explained two mysteries to me.

My father's hair and my grandfather's nose -- as well as why the family fortune was used to start up one of the HBCs (Historically Black Colleges).

It all falls into place now. It raised a lot of "WTF?" and other angst the first month or so after it had been verified, but after that, its just a lot of "Meh, ok, that's interesting." - it doesn't change anything as far as I'm concerned. Maybe that's for the best.

But...gheesh, the way to get over racial disharmony is to get over racial disharmony. Its sad people can't figure that one out.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-19   0:07:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, this explained two mysteries to me.

My father's hair and my grandfather's nose -- as well as why the family fortune was used to start up one of the HBCs (Historically Black Colleges).

It all falls into place now. It raised a lot of "WTF?" and other angst the first month or so after it had been verified, but after that, its just a lot of "Meh, ok, that's interesting." - it doesn't change anything as far as I'm concerned. Maybe that's for the best.

It doesn't change a thing! But the perspective it gives, is that what happened CAN'T be changed.

That history is edited so that it is slanted this way and the next, is important as it is used to form young minds. Easier to manipulate that way, IMO.

But...gheesh, the way to get over racial disharmony is to get over racial disharmony. Its sad people can't figure that one out.

If as much effort had been put to that, as the divide and conquer method, imagine where the world could be!

I agree with you. The way to get over it, is to get over it and move forward. We can not have world leaders that can not. As long as we are stuck with having 'world' leaders.

I'm still wondering why they are called leaders, when the clock always moves closer to midnite.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-19   0:16:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm still wondering why they are called leaders, when the clock always moves closer to midnite.

They're called "leaders" because they can bribe enough people to follow them.

Throughout history, take a look at them. Alexander, Caesar, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler, Lenin - they all promised their followers that they would simply be taken care of and threw enough coin at them to ensure loyalty.

The trick is that people need to have some standards, some ethics, some integrity and say "I cannot be bought."

Until that day, we're doomed to have politicians and other "leaders" running around buying loyalty. Loyalty should be earned, not just given.

But we're not there yet. We don't understand that the way to get something done is to do it. Its too bad.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-19   2:28:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They're called "leaders" because they can bribe enough people to follow them.

Throughout history, take a look at them. Alexander, Caesar, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler, Lenin - they all promised their followers that they would simply be taken care of and threw enough coin at them to ensure loyalty.

The trick is that people need to have some standards, some ethics, some integrity and say "I cannot be bought."

Until that day, we're doomed to have politicians and other "leaders" running around buying loyalty. Loyalty should be earned, not just given.

But we're not there yet. We don't understand that the way to get something done is to do it. Its too bad.

Excellent analysis!!!!

The trick is that people need to have some standards, some ethics, some integrity and say "I cannot be bought."

Until that day, we're doomed to have politicians and other "leaders" running around buying loyalty. Loyalty should be earned, not just given.

Absolutely. At this point, there are few consequences for people. That is coming to an end. This rattletrap just needs to make it to election day.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-19   9:54:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

At this point, there are few consequences for people. That is coming to an end. This rattletrap just needs to make it to election day.

I'm not so sure if the free ride is going to come to an end as quickly as we would like it to. The powers that be will keep it going as long as possible in order to purchase as many votes as they can get with someone else's money.

I would like to see two Constitutional Amendments put in place I think would solve this problem. Your comments are welcome.

The first is this:
Add the following to the Commerce Clause: ...limited to regulating the actual movement of goods and services.

The second is this:
No person whose livelihood derives from the receipt of Government funds shall be permitted the right to vote.

I think those would solve a lot of our problems. It would also make sure no Halliburton employee could vote :)

mirage  posted on  2008-04-19   15:54:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not so sure if the free ride is going to come to an end as quickly as we would like it to. The powers that be will keep it going as long as possible in order to purchase as many votes as they can get with someone else's money.

Let me flip that over a bit and say, I agree, but to drain as much as they can from the public. ;) Promises and fairytails are cashcows. Note the whining of the RNC about the lack of donations.. Promises broken, fairytails really meant busting Senators in airport bathrooms.

I would like to see two Constitutional Amendments put in place I think would solve this problem. Your comments are welcome.

The first is this: Add the following to the Commerce Clause: ...limited to regulating the actual movement of goods and services.

The second is this: No person whose livelihood derives from the receipt of Government funds shall be permitted the right to vote.

I'll have to think about those.. The 2nd one could be easily abused to deny people on Social Security. For some, that's all they have.

Someone mentioned taxing the Fed Reserve on every transaction, rather than having an income tax. Imagine the money that could flow from that.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-19   20:52:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Promises and fairytails are cashcows. Note the whining of the RNC about the lack of donations.. Promises broken, fairytails really meant busting Senators in airport bathrooms.

That's why I can't support Obama. As far as I can tell, he's spinning the world's biggest smokescreen and feeding directly into the desire of people to believe in something. Why people can't believe in themselves instead is a bigger question.

Obama can't deliver anything other than "someone else" in the White House. There won't be anything different; the system is too entrenched right now for one man to change it.

I'll have to think about those.. The 2nd one could be easily abused to deny people on Social Security. For some, that's all they have.

Well, the whole idea is that people who are dependent on taxpayer largesse should not be allowed to vote themselves more of someone else's pocketbook. Voting oneself a portion of someone else's wallet is still theft no matter how many nice-looking Government thugs say its just fine to do.

Someone mentioned taxing the Fed Reserve on every transaction, rather than having an income tax. Imagine the money that could flow from that.

That gets dicey because there are times when the Fed isn't goosing the money supply.

By statute, all 'profits' the Fed turns are already turned over to the US Treasury. About the only transactions that could be taxed are dividends from securities that the Fed owns or placing a fee of a fraction of a cent on checks cleared through the Federal Reserve System.

Those guys are set up so well that there really isn't much to tax. The Fed takes securities and issues currency against it. Its pretty much a zero-sum game at the Fed. Inflation comes when the freshly printed cash (against the liability deposited with the Fed) hits the fractional reserve system in the retail banks and is multiplied there. Given that there is no 'Reserve' at the Fed, one could only tax the printing of new money, but how do you do that given that it goes out as a loan and is thus a zero-sum game?

There is no real income there that isn't locked up already by statute; they pay dividends by law to the member banks at 6% and the excess is already turned over to the US Treasury.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-20   4:20:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#154. To: mirage (#151)

That's why I can't support Obama. As far as I can tell, he's spinning the world's biggest smokescreen and feeding directly into the desire of people to believe in something. Why people can't believe in themselves instead is a bigger question.

Obama can't deliver anything other than "someone else" in the White House. There won't be anything different; the system is too entrenched right now for one man to change it.

I agree completely. Huge con job. Cultists are swallowing it whole.

Well, the whole idea is that people who are dependent on taxpayer largesse should not be allowed to vote themselves more of someone else's pocketbook. Voting oneself a portion of someone else's wallet is still theft no matter how many nice-looking Government thugs say its just fine to do.

I totally understand your point. Our system is so hosed as it is, I don't know how more laws etc., could improve it at the ground level. We need to start over. It's impossible to pump the sewage out at this point.. IMO.

That gets dicey because there are times when the Fed isn't goosing the money supply.

By statute, all 'profits' the Fed turns are already turned over to the US Treasury. About the only transactions that could be taxed are dividends from securities that the Fed owns or placing a fee of a fraction of a cent on checks cleared through the Federal Reserve System.

Those guys are set up so well that there really isn't much to tax. The Fed takes securities and issues currency against it. Its pretty much a zero-sum game at the Fed. Inflation comes when the freshly printed cash (against the liability deposited with the Fed) hits the fractional reserve system in the retail banks and is multiplied there. Given that there is no 'Reserve' at the Fed, one could only tax the printing of new money, but how do you do that given that it goes out as a loan and is thus a zero-sum game?

There is no real income there that isn't locked up already by statute; they pay dividends by law to the member banks at 6% and the excess is already turned over to the US Treasury.

Good Lord Mirage, thank you for the excellent lesson!!! I'm with RP on abolishing the Fed, Income Tax, and the IRS.. (I know, never happen..... stop laughing!!! ;)

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-20 12:54:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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