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Published: Apr 18, 2008
Author: YertleTurtle
Post Date: 2008-04-18 22:29:36 by YertleTurtle
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Robin's got me on Bozo.
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#1. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
3 have me on filter. Vast Gaping Stink Hole admitted it, so there is one. I am sure robin the O'whore is another one. Surely the 3rd turd will own up?
I think angle is the one that has me on bozo but not sure. I was so proud of my zero too. Course they can see threads that you start.
I don't have you on bozo, but I put YT on bozo today. I posted an article from Spiegel asking why does America have a Holocaust Museum but no museum for slavery. YT came on immediately with a rude, racist and unnecessary remark that really had nothing to do with the discussion. And I decided I was fed up with this sort of attitude (or is that attytood). In fact, I put everyone on that thread on bozo. It was a very cleansing experience, I can tell you.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
LOL! NOW THAT coming from YOU is RICH!
robin... Bozoing does not work. It is self defeating, akin to book burning. No one gets rousted here any more than me but I refuse to BOZO. I call people now and then on their vulgar language but I do not bozo them. I am sorry to see you do that. Ignore if you must but bozo is not your way.
I see no point in reading aimless, vulgar, unwarranted personal attacks. Life's too short.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
"We have bent over backwards for blacks and what we get is Michelle Obama."
I can kill you with my brain or bash you with my shell.
I find support on this 4um for racist Marxist OWMs to be vulgar personal attacks on each and every FREEDOM loving patriot that treads here. I came here when there were banners and links to Ron Paul fundraisers. Feh
Bozo works very well. I bozoed 2 worthless contributors last week and... never had to read their crap again. It's like magic. As for 'burning books'... what are you supposed to do with all those 'Fabio' paperbacks or Hillary's works? Do you really need to preserve 1 million copies for the posterity? Just because something is written on paper it does not make it worth preserving.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Yes, trying to tell people they're responsible for things they had nothing to do with is SUCH A CLEANSING EXPERIENCE! Egads, we have become a world of morons.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
robin... I even read the vulgar mouthings of ghost, McIver and a couple of others. The reflection is on them, not me. Most of the time, they and most others are adding something. I take them to task for it. If you think Turtle crossed a line, tell him, but dont bozo. We are ALL strident, ridged and inflexible about some issues, that is human nature, but no cause to turn a deaf ear. That solves nothing.
vast... I have never bozoed you, never even considered it. Now that takes forbearance. LOL
'we'? Anyways, I love Ray Charles, Jimi Hendrix (the true black God) and I hope Obama makes it to the WH. White guys that I like the most include Borges, Stephen King and, to some extent Bruce Willis.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Not true. I never do personal attacks so it's easy not to bozo me. And, symmetrically, I never considered bozoing you because I don't remember you making personal attacks or, if you did, I did not view them as malicious or constant - disagreeing with some of your views is not a good reason for such a severe punishment.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I use the occasional bad word myself, but to use them regularly in a direct personal attack is not acceptable, IMO. Yertle, BTW, is not who I am talking about. He just annoyed me this morning.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
And did you see my epistle of yesterday to Ping and other O'philes?
Your mere presence has become a "personal attack". Oh, yes. You put me on filter. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
robin doesn't like me because I'm actually descended from freed slaves owned by the Cherokee and I was trying to get a point across to her but the guilt took over.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
I am sure I did, I make it a point to read what you post. What we have witnessed here, watching supposed patriots putting on pom poms for a racist Marxist cabal puppet, is enough to make me hurl. Projectile hurling.
Yertle, BTW, is not who I am talking about. He just annoyed me this morning. robin... I understand. Stupid is about the nicest name I have been called here. From there it has been down hill. That does not matter, it is they that are displaying themselves for all to see. So, I respect your decision but still say it is not a winner. People hate to be ignored, that cuts much deeper than bozoing. Cyni...
Nobody has bozo'd me yet. I must not be trying hard enough....
#2. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Thought for the day:
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
#3. To: farmfriend (#2)
#4. To: robin (#3)
And I decided I was fed up with this sort of attitude
#5. To: robin (#3)
It was a very cleansing experience, I can tell you.
#6. To: Cynicom (#5)
#7. To: robin, all (#3)
YT came on immediately with a rude, racist and unnecessary remark that really had nothing to do with the discussion.
#8. To: Cynicom (#5)
#9. To: Cynicom (#5)
#10. To: robin (#3)
#11. To: robin (#6)
I see no point in reading aimless, vulgar, unwarranted personal attacks. Life's too short.
#12. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)
#13. To: YertleTurtle (#7)
"We have bent over backwards for blacks and what we get is Michelle Obama."
#14. To: Cynicom (#12)
(Edited)
#15. To: Cynicom (#11)
#16. To: _______ (#8)
I came here when there were banners and links to Ron Paul fundraisers.
#17. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#14)
Not true. I never do personal attacks so it's easy not to bozo me.
#18. To: Cynicom (#11)
We are ALL strident, ridged and inflexible about some issues, that is human nature, but no cause to turn a deaf ear. That solves nothing.
#19. To: Cynicom (#16)
And did you see my epistle of yesterday to Ping and other O'philes?
#20. To: robin (#15)
I use the occasional bad word myself, but to use them regularly in a direct personal attack is not acceptable, IMO.
#21. To: Cynicom (#20)
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#22. To: _______, robin, Yertle turtle, All (#19)
#29. To: FormerLurker, Pinguinite, Jethro Tull, Peppa, FOH, Christine, critter, buckeye, All (#24) You know Cyni, with all the non-stop slamming of Ron Paul, it really makes sense that you're just a shill. The thought that you never gave a penny to his campaign makes a lot of sense. In Cyni's defense, I was a huge Ron Paul supporter myself, until I saw a total lack of effort on his part to carry on the campaign. All... This was something that Christine and I kept to ourselves, but to clarify any distortions being spread I will say this... Christine and I collaborated on the Ron Paul effort for 4um. Only the two of us, at my instigation. I underwrote the entire cost of the intended ad at a cost of nearly $2000, knowing full well the members of 4um would never come up with that amount of money. The talkers and non doers indeed were silent, they know who they are. I admonished Christine at the time that this effort would indeed show those members that were Americans, and those that were not friends at all, rather they were in hiding, not distressed with our government, but rather just partisans waiting to use 4um. As a result, I ate several hundred dollars of the cost, which would have been much more had it not been for two Americans that stepped forward to help shoulder the burden. Beyond that was my regular contributions to Paul, so that we might at least have a choice, even though winning was never a possibility. Only Christine knows the people that contributed and the amounts, the number of contributors vs the talkers on 4um was a sad but true indication between Americans and partisan believers. When Paul took a dive, and suddenly became a devout republican, only the naive and gullible would have kept sending money. For those that have not done their own research, Paul had done this once before, due to pressure from Pat Buchanan, leaving his supporters in the lurch. It is all on the record for those that care to look. Nearly a year ago I warned Christine that with passing months, many of our friends would out themselves as partisan believers, not as friends looking for a better government. With that in mind I compiled a list of those that would reveal themselves, that list proved to be 100 per cent correct, except I overlooked three "friends" that have since showed their true colors. Cynicom posted on 2008-04-17 11:17:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
______, Here is what I posted yesterday.
#23. To: mirage (#18)
For real? When I bring up American Indians, I get zero response. I have concluded as such, AI's have no tailcoats to ride to the halls of opressive power over others, therefore, ignorable and unimportant. American history books may one day never mention them.
I'm actually descended from freed slaves owned by the Cherokee
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#24. To: Elliott Jackalope (#21)
I have to admit, I do not know how to check, and really dont care who bozos me, I wont do it and I read all of them.
Nobody has bozo'd me yet. I must not be trying hard enough....
#25. To: Cynicom (#22)
Did you ever get an apology for being called a shill?
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#26. To: Elliott Jackalope (#21)
I won't Bozo you but I'd slap you silly if I could. Since I can't, slap yourself instead.
Nobody has bozo'd me yet. I must not be trying hard enough....
I can kill you with my brain or bash you with my shell.
#27. To: Peppa (#25)
Neil is not gentleman enough to do so.
Did you ever get an apology for being called a shill?
#28. To: Cynicom (#22) (Edited)
I saw your post yesterday Cyni. It was a good effort and helping create and pay for the advertisement was an excellent exercise. Watching it not be published as promised was another sort of lesson. I still do not like the Union-Leader and probably never will.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
#29. To: Peppa (#23)
For real and documented. Family members were putting together a family tree last year and unearthed this. It took them six months of "No way!" and researching back through the Dawes Rolls to confirm it. Oddly enough, everyone in this generation looks pretty Irish. So, its a bit of a surprise but does it matter? Only to a left-wing racist who would want to put me on a "program" to "make up" for "historical wrongs" - BAH!
For real?
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
#30. To: Cynicom (#22)
I've been consistent on RP. I stated from the beginning that his run as a GOP was poisonous to the cause of liberty and it did not deserve support even though I didn't disagree with most of RP's views. I also stated that there was at least one view I disagreed with: his pronouncement that 'the American people' had no responsibility whatsoever for the Iraq disaster.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#31. To: robin (#28)
That was human error. I thot it sad indeed that so many people here were not Americans, rather political partisans.
Watching it not be published as promised was another sort of lesson.
#32. To: robin (#3)
Well you had answered my posts since the 1 bozo appeared so I knew it wasn't you. As contentious as the AGW threads got I didn't get the impression there was any residual bad feelings. After that last one though I think it was angle that put me on bozo. I wasn't sure but recently they replied to a thread I started but the reply didn't go to me but ALL. I figured it was because of the bozo thing. Who knows? Could have been anyone. Hadn't made a difference in my life really.
I don't have you on bozo,
Thought for the day:
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
#33. To: Cynicom (#31)
Well, I'm not so sure. The same paper screwed up with another RP ad just the week before. Two in a row, seems very odd to me.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
#34. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#30)
vast...You were a sideliner, but I like you anyway. If everyone here agreed with me on anything, I would run for cover.
#35. To: Cynicom (#22)
Yes, I read that. You are a National Treasure imo. There are a couple posters and many lurkers on here, among others that do not blog that joined with us in putting up several billboards across America for Ron Paul's campaign. There were NO public requests for funding (see: NH ads, Blimps, etc.) so no one would be put off or put out. We simply did what had to be done and made it happen, damn the consequences. Very, VERY few of them lurk/post on 4um now since the faux patriots put on the vacuum utensils for the racist, Marxist NAUer-puppet. I wish I were reporting differently, but those are the facts. Now, at least 1/2 of the most 'aggressive' posters around here are pimping for the cabal. FEH!
#36. To: farmfriend (#32)
It is easy to get worked up sometimes. I've never messed with bozo before. For right now, I'm enjoying it.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
#37. To: robin (#33)
robin..I did all the research, all the way to the publisher. The clincher was at the beginning when talking to the copy people on the night shift that didnt know who Paul was and could not find the ad.
Well, I'm not so sure.
#38. To: Cynicom (#27)
Shame. I was ridiculed for being unclear in a comment, and I apologized for falling short. It's not that hard to do. You just say, sorry, and try to move on. Sometimes people will over-correct and pretend their wheel never hit the dirt.
Did you ever get an apology for being called a shill? Neil is not gentleman enough to do so.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#39. To: Cynicom (#34)
If you mean by that 'individualist' or 'rugged individualist', you are close to accurate.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#40. To: Cynicom (#37)
If you say so. But they did have the same problem with Lyman's big RP ad the previous weekend, as you know.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
#41. To: Cynicom (#34)
By the way, if you bankrolled that RP ad, I find your efforts laudable and admirable. I have respect for those who act their beliefs. I even respect the terrorists who are willing to die and do die for their cause even when their views are completely different from mine.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#42. To: _______ (#35)
I did not mind the demeaning names, nor vulgar language, but to be called a shill by someone that had zero knowledge of what Christine and I had done was a bit much. Christine and I took the heat and said nothing. To repeat, I told her we would not cover the cost from members, that we knew, then I compiled a list of people that would come out of hiding and be partisan members of some sort. I have been around politics more than a day or two. I do know people, the talkers and the doers.
Now, at least 1/2 of the most 'aggressive' posters around here are pimping for the cabal.
#43. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#41)
vast I do thank you for that..All the time you were ragging us that Paul could not win, we knew that, we wanted a choice, nothing more. Now we have no choice.
By the way, if you bankrolled that RP ad, I find your efforts laudable and admirable.
#44. To: mirage (#29)
Oddly enough, everyone in this generation looks pretty Irish. So, its a bit of a surprise but does it matter? Only to a left-wing racist who would want to put me on a "program" to "make up" for "historical wrongs" - BAH! First thanks for responding... What a great story to know. It's so interesting when a family member brings something to you that you would never imagine. Something similar happened to me, but in diverse ways on both sides of my own family. It was strange how I found my mind grabbing info, grasping for perspective that was very different than what I thought I 'knew'. Oddly enough, everyone in this generation looks pretty Irish. :) I was the only one that did. LOLOL!! Makes ya wonder at family picture time... So, its a bit of a surprise but does it matter? Only to a left-wing racist who would want to put me on a "program" to "make up" for "historical wrongs" - BAH! It matters *when* victimology decides who DESERVES priority. As if your blood is less important. As if, compensation comes in the form of oppressing others. As if, that's what we really need or want. As if, that would bring the peace and harmony they preach would be achieved through political means. BAH!
For real and documented. Family members were putting together a family tree last year and unearthed this. It took them six months of "No way!" and researching back through the Dawes Rolls to confirm it.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#45. To: robin (#3)
good for you!
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
#46. To: robin (#40)
and the publisher said it cost them a fortune for that error in that they ran the ad for two days. They offered the same to Christine and me but we said no as the Sunday paper was what was needed. The other ad was $150,000, so you see the publisher was not happy.
If you say so. But they did have the same problem with Lyman's big RP ad the previous weekend, as you know.
#47. To: Cynicom (#5)
Unfortunately, time is limited. Using BOZO economizes my time whilst scanning this good 4UM.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx 
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#48. To: _______ (#35)
that is the reason, i am sure for some, but i also think that when Ron Paul quit, a lot of people who had some hope are now hopeless and because of it have given up on politics and posting on forums.
Very, VERY few of them lurk/post on 4um now since the faux patriots put on the vacuum utensils for the racist, Marxist NAUer-puppet. I wish I were reporting differently, but those are the facts.
#49. To: christine, _______ (#48)
"Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, thereby those important events of the past usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. "There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. "And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. "How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler. "He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I destroyed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it has forgotten. "More than four hundred years ago a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. "So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you then I would suggest you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot." "V"
lot of people who had some hope are now hopeless and because of it have given up on politics and posting on forums.....in favor of more hopeful and fruitful pursuits.......
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#50. To: christine (#48)
that is the reason, i am sure for some, but i also think that when Ron Paul quit, a lot of people who had some hope are now hopeless and because of it have given up on politics and posting on forums. My inner circle is moved by stopping the NAU, because it is THE most pressing and dire threat barreling towards US, not by the bogus selection process. Ron Paul was the most deserving of our support for many reasons, however for some, we believed he was willing to at least pretend to be running a Victory campaign (as impossible as it was) as opposed to a short Message campaign. Of course, RP's treatment and subsequent dive only confirmed, at different levels, what we already knew. It is time to STOP with the cabal-pimping and prepare people for what is in que right now and aiming straight for US. To see prominent posters, who make up a near majority of total posts, flip from Ron Paul to the cabal is, well, disconcerting. Especially the posters that other very prominent 4um-ers claim to have known for a long haul as "Constitutionalists" that are now hell bent on w*****g for a racist Marxist World Orderist-NAUer.
Very, VERY few of them lurk/post on 4um now since the faux patriots put on the vacuum utensils for the racist, Marxist NAUer-puppet. I wish I were reporting differently, but those are the facts.
#51. To: Peppa (#44)
Well, this explained two mysteries to me. My father's hair and my grandfather's nose -- as well as why the family fortune was used to start up one of the HBCs (Historically Black Colleges). It all falls into place now. It raised a lot of "WTF?" and other angst the first month or so after it had been verified, but after that, its just a lot of "Meh, ok, that's interesting." - it doesn't change anything as far as I'm concerned. Maybe that's for the best. But...gheesh, the way to get over racial disharmony is to get over racial disharmony. Its sad people can't figure that one out.
:) I was the only one that did. LOLOL!! Makes ya wonder at family picture time...
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
#52. To: _______ (#50)
Couldn't agree more/.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#53. To: Cynicom (#27)
Sure I am. It's just that in your case, cyni, none is warranted. I mean, it's not like I'm going to get one for the unjust slamming I've taken the past few days.
Neil is not gentleman enough to do so.
#54. To: mirage (#51)
My father's hair and my grandfather's nose -- as well as why the family fortune was used to start up one of the HBCs (Historically Black Colleges). It all falls into place now. It raised a lot of "WTF?" and other angst the first month or so after it had been verified, but after that, its just a lot of "Meh, ok, that's interesting." - it doesn't change anything as far as I'm concerned. Maybe that's for the best. It doesn't change a thing! But the perspective it gives, is that what happened CAN'T be changed. That history is edited so that it is slanted this way and the next, is important as it is used to form young minds. Easier to manipulate that way, IMO. But...gheesh, the way to get over racial disharmony is to get over racial disharmony. Its sad people can't figure that one out. If as much effort had been put to that, as the divide and conquer method, imagine where the world could be! I agree with you. The way to get over it, is to get over it and move forward. We can not have world leaders that can not. As long as we are stuck with having 'world' leaders. I'm still wondering why they are called leaders, when the clock always moves closer to midnite.
Well, this explained two mysteries to me.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#55. To: Pinguinite, christine, Jethro tull, Peppa, robin, all (#53) (Edited)
Sure I am. It's just that in your case, cyni, none is warranted. Neil... If you prefer not to do the gentlemanly thing, that is all right. The people here have seen what you wrote along with your vulgar language. You have painted your own character here for all to see.
Neil is not gentleman enough to do so.
#56. To: IndieTX (#52)
#57. To: Cynicom (#55)
Perhaps Globalism is good for business. Anyone that runs a Global business is as guilty as any of us for enriching and empowering the behemoth. No?
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#58. To: Pinguinite (#53)
IN the interest of the magnanimous OWNER of this site, the only response I should give for THAT bulls**t post is LOL! I can NOT believe that you are the webmaster of this site. Licking the toads again are we?
I mean, it's not like I'm going to get one for the unjust slamming I've taken the past few days.
#59. To: Peppa (#54)
Our Creator made us from one blood. All that has transpired since is on us. IMNSHO
#60. To: Peppa (#57)
Pep, respectfully I submit to you that there are Americans that run businesses on a global scale and put America first. It is really not that difficult, but it requires balance, priorities and desire.
Anyone that runs a Global business is as guilty as any of us for enriching and empowering the behemoth. No?
#61. To: _______ (#59)
All that has transpired since is on us. IMNSHO Funny that you say that. I read somewhere and long time ago, that our test on Earth, was to see if we could live together as one. It has failed everywhere. We have failed.
Our Creator made us from one blood.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#62. To: Peppa (#57)
Being a backwoods, white trash, bitter, small towner as Obama calls us, globalism is a foreign word. Having seen a great deal of this old world, met a lot of people, good and bad, I still like people.
Perhaps Globalism is good for business.
#63. To: Cynicom (#62)
Cling-on?
Being a backwoods, white trash, bitter, small towner as Obama calls us, globalism is a foreign word.
#64. To: _______ (#63)
Yep, jest a regler ole Klinger.
Cling-on?
#65. To: YertleTurtle (#26)
After thoughtfully considering your gracious invitation, I have decided to decline your suggestion. However, should you find yourself lacking options on what to do with your time later, perhaps you might consider fertilizing yourself?
I won't Bozo you but I'd slap you silly if I could. Since I can't, slap yourself instead.
| Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#66. To: _______ (#60)
It is really not that difficult, but it requires balance, priorities and desire. True. Each country should put their own needs first. Fair trade where both/all parties have mutual benefit.
Pep, respectfully I submit to you that there are Americans that run businesses on a global scale and put America first.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#67. To: Cynicom, christine (#55)
Yes, well, when people openly ridicule me for refusing to endorse the deaths of 10's of thousands of innocent people to further 2A activism, it gets me worked up. (I'll refer you to my hypothetical thread:) freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...cgi?ArtNum=78348&Disp=All So if you feel genuinely hurt for being called a shill, while I may be tempted to start crying on your behalf, at least you weren't assaulted by mindless bimbos with the moral depth of a mud puddle. I would also point out that one post suggesting you are a shill pales in comparison to the relentless hammering you dole out on Ron Paul on these pages alone, and yet Ron Paul has done far more for freedom is his life than you (and anyone else here) has ever done. It's a classic case of sour grapes. As for your complaint of my choice of words in expressing my outrage, I happen to know this 4um is equipped with a profanity filter, which the owner has opted NOT to use. So while you may well choose to compare 4um to a church, you must certainly accept the pastor's permissive rules on vulgarity. Or if you have a burning desire to not have vulgarity penetrate your eyes, I suggest you take it up with the owner. BTW, I am thankful to report that the vast majority of respondents share my moral code. That has reaffirmed my faith in the majority of 4umer's, and also illustrated that those who slander me are certainly just a small minority.
If you prefer not to do the gentlemanly thing, that is all right. The people here have seen what you wrote along with your vulgar language.
#68. To: Cynicom (#62)
So do I.
Having seen a great deal of this old world, met a lot of people, good and bad, I still like people.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#69. To: Peppa (#66)
BINGO! Will you accept a True. Each country should put their own needs first. Fair trade where both/all parties have mutual benefit.
, even though it is store bought and not home made?
#70. To: Pinguinite (#67)
There you go again. What the hell are you talking about? Please, there is a 12-step program somewhere, probably even online, that will be of great assistance to you if you apply yourself.
Yes, well, when people openly ridicule me for refusing to endorse the deaths of 10's of thousands of innocent people to further 2A activism, it gets me worked up.
#71. To: _______ (#58)
Yes, based on what I've seen of you, I suspect that's the only response you're capable of most of the time.
the only response I should give for THAT bulls**t post is LOL!
#72. To: Pinguinite (#67)
Neil... I do not see the word "shill" in there anywhere. If apology is beyond you, not a problem. It just seems that I and others here had greatly misjudged you.
Yes, well, when people openly ridicule me for refusing to endorse the deaths of 10's of thousands of innocent people to further 2A activism, it gets me worked up. (I'll refer you to my hypothetical thread:)
#73. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Bozo Rank: Number of Full and/or Introductory members who have bozo'd you: 1 Maybe it's because I swear too much.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#74. To: _______ (#70)
Never mind. Just don't worry about it and go back to your cartoons. Everything will be alright.
What the hell are you talking about?
#75. To: Pinguinite (#71)
And based on what you have turned out to be, by your own words, I suspect it is better for America that you have holed up in Socialist Ecuador. POS
Yes, based on what I've seen of you, I suspect that's the only response you're capable of most of the time.
#76. To: Cynicom (#72)
Yes, well you and others continue to do so.
It just seems that I and others here had greatly misjudged you.
#77. To: Pinguinite (#74)
Was all of your "SAP" the same raft of s**t that you have espoused on this 4um recently? Of course everything is alright when you run away, and so early. The trappings way down in the Southern part of the Union must be just right you twisted fool.
Never mind. Just don't worry about it and go back to your cartoons. Everything will be alright.
#78. To: Pinguinite (#76)
Neil... Past time for my olde bones to be in bed. You have a good night, I bear no ill will.
#79. To: _______ (#69)
Yum! Thank you very much! Carb count overage... ;)
Will you accept a , even though it is store bought and not home made?
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#80. To: _______ (#75)
I find your expectation of my significance in world affairs quite flattering.
And based on what you have turned out to be, by your own words, I suspect it is better for America that you have holed up in Socialist Ecuador.
#81. To: Cynicom (#78)
Have a good evening, Cyni.
You have a good night, I bear no ill will.
#82. To: All (#73)
On LP I am on 6 member's lists. It was 3 for the longest time. I think it went up because I am constantly calling e-type_jag a fag. Hahahaha 'e_type_fag', I call him. I have nothing against homosexuals. I just do it to bug him. Hahahahaha Don't tell him that. Notice not one example of vulgarity? Unless you count 'fag'.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#83. To: All (#81)
Nite all... and globalist shills.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#84. To: christine (#48)
Thats the way it is for me, saw it as my last chance to see the bird of prey brought down. So I lurk, and will only speak up on things that mean a lot to me.
"....when Ron Paul quit, a lot of people who had some hope are now hopeless and because of it have given up on politics and posting on forums."
#85. To: Pinguinite (#80)
I have no expectations, you are just another Oturd to flush down the John OCrapper.
I find your expectation of my significance in world affairs quite flattering.
#86. To: _______ (#85)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#87. To: _______ (#85)
Wow. That's some comeback. Listen, it seems your intellect is sharing the same mud puddle as your morals so I'm going to put you on bozo, okay? Don't take it too hard though. I'll probably take you back off when you get into 6th or 7th grade. Be good, and tell your mom that your finished using the computer, okay?
#88. To: Pinguinite (#87)
I don't have anyone on bozo. I can certainly understand why someone would use it though. I think people should be nice.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#89. To: wudidiz (#86)
Hello my friend, we are ALL NAUers now. Or should I say "Citizens of the Union of the Americas"? From Alert, Canada to Ushuaia, Argentina. Oh well, there is a puppet to select. Forgive me for getting off track.
#90. To: Pinguinite (#87)
Listen, it seems your intellect is sharing the same mud puddle as your morals so I'm going to put you on bozo, okay? Don't take it too hard though. I'll probably take you back off when you get into 6th or 7th grade. Be good, and tell your mom that your finished using the computer, okay? If you are the standard bearer for 'intellect' as it goes for the 'resistance', I heartily welcome being placed on your filter. You fukktard.
Wow. That's some comeback.
#91. To: wudidiz (#88)
OBEY
#92. To: _______ (#89)
Hello. Yes, it seems you might be right about that. It breaks my heart sometimes to think about what the world has become. I guess it could be worse. We still have alot to be happy about.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#93. To: _______ (#91)
John 18:36 Lighten up, eh?
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#94. To: wudidiz (#92)
We still have alot to be happy about. In less time than it will take to set a good stock of wine, your children will be chipped-slaves. Be happy, but understand this is a war and lives, many of them, are at stake. Ecuador will not even be safe. This is THE stand.
I guess it could be worse.
#95. To: wudidiz (#93)
Not on this side, I will not. The stakes are too high and the time too short.
Lighten up, eh?
#96. To: All (#95)
HAHAHAHAHA! Now FIVE of the traitorOphiles have bozoed my nic. There are AT LEAST another 6 or 7 to go, maybe many more. It is beneficial to identify allegiances, albeit late, with what is coming.
#97. To: _______ (#94)
Be happy, but understand this is a war and lives, many of them, are at stake. Ecuador will not even be safe. This is THE stand. Thank you for your concern. I don't have any wine. I can't afford a ticket to Ecuador or I'd likely be there. Or somewhere warm. You don't have to explain to me how serious this 'war' is. This is a war of souls. The God I pray to will make sure there is justice. There will be justice. I won't tell you what my choice would be. You can probably guess. People should still be nice. People like you and I.
In less time than it will take to set a good stock of wine, your children will be chipped-slaves.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#98. To: wudidiz (#97)
Take care good Sir. ALL the best to you. Just make sure that 'nice' keeps you alive. "Nice" has gotten us in this position, this horrible and dreadful position. For me, nice no more. No quarter, no mercy. You have a PM.
#99. To: robin (#3)
You are supporting a candidate that has made rude, racist and unnecessary remarks. I suppose YT was trying to get on your good side. :)
YT came on immediately with a rude, racist and unnecessary remark
God is always good!
#100. To: Peppa (#54)
They're called "leaders" because they can bribe enough people to follow them. Throughout history, take a look at them. Alexander, Caesar, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler, Lenin - they all promised their followers that they would simply be taken care of and threw enough coin at them to ensure loyalty. The trick is that people need to have some standards, some ethics, some integrity and say "I cannot be bought." Until that day, we're doomed to have politicians and other "leaders" running around buying loyalty. Loyalty should be earned, not just given. But we're not there yet. We don't understand that the way to get something done is to do it. Its too bad.
I'm still wondering why they are called leaders, when the clock always moves closer to midnite.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
#101. To: mirage (#100)
Contrary to media propaganda, character DOES matter and seems to be in short supply among those running for political power..ahh..I mean..office.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#102. To: wudidiz, _______ (#97)
You don't have to explain to me how serious this 'war' is. This is a war of souls. The God I pray to will make sure there is justice. There will be justice. I won't tell you what my choice would be. You can probably guess. "Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, thereby those important events of the past usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. "There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. "And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. "How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler. "He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I destroyed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it has forgotten. "More than four hundred years ago a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. "So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you then I would suggest you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot." "V" (This is the only solution I'm afraid. They've left us no other choice. They have ignored our pleas and repudiated our freedoms and Constitution and Bill of Right. There is only one more course of action; albeit not the one we all wanted but our CHILDREN depend on us or they will have NO future)
In less time than it will take to set a good stock of wine, your children will be chipped-slaves
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#103. To: Pinguinite (#87) (Edited)
Ten years ago I became a martyr by falling from a tree locally with lots of folks speaking for me as I lay in a coma. However I lived and found every utterance I made to be criticized by many of my brethren. For example, in the Boston Tea Party at the Nike store done with people yelling "Remember Ferret Mike" I went down and talked to activists who had done the action, the store workers and my former work colleges at 5th Street Public Market where I nearly died about 10 tears ago. I was interviewed by the press and I told them a Boston Tea Party was good for the soul, but those doing this action fell down by throwing pumpkins to the fountain level three floors below. I chided them for the reckless activism as a person stepping out into the courtyard as the pumpkins feel could of been killed. I was bad vibed, criticized angrily and hated by some of our resident Earth Liberation Front people who were at odds with me already anyway for their poisonous activism. I was told I had criticized out of the activist community and blasted for this alleged 'crime.' So what? I spoke the truth, and in the long run I have gained by doing so. It was painful, but I am grateful for this experience. Never forget, to thine own self be true. I never doubt my abilities and don't depend on others to define me. Live Martyrs piss people off, it's hard to do the talking for them. I am here to tell you though, it sure beats the alternative. That near fatal fall and how it played to some tempered my resolve never to go to the level of my antagonists. Always be true to your ethical beliefs, opinions and world view. You have my deepest respect, I have never seen you do anything but be true to your beliefs, ethics, and the truth. It is outstanding to have gotten to know you.
Obama for president 2008
#104. To: Cynicom (#43)
If you go back to the discussions back then, my problem with RP was not that he could not win but that he could not win as a GOP. I always made that clear. My point is and was that winning is NOT everything. I am not of the kind that wants to see 'a woman' or 'a minority' or 'a GOP' in the White House. Ron Paul could not win the GOP nomination because he was not part of the GOP mainstream while McCain, Romney, Huckabee and Giuliani were and are. I also discussed the harm that Ron Paul was inflicting to the cause of liberty by identifying him and, more importantly, the ideas he stood for, with the GOP and by helping legitimize the eventual winner of the GOP nomination. I am seeing no evidence that I was wrong in any of the above. McCain can now claim that he defeated Ron Paul, fair and square and, by association, the ideas of liberty and respect for the US constitution that Ron Paul exposes. He feels now entitled to ask for the votes of RP's supporters as he is now demanding the support of evangelicals and of paleo conservatives. I supported Buchanan back in 2000 even though it was clear that he could not win. After the fact, I have many issues with Buchanan today. However, he had the decency and the honesty to quit the GOP back in 2000, while he was running. I currently have a preference for Obama, not because I approve of many of his ideas but because he is clearly preferable to the other 2 'choices' available. He also seems to have the ability to learn from his mistakes and from the mistakes of others and to apply 'lessons learned'. Unlike RP's relation to the GOP, Obama is within his party's mainstream so it's okay for him to run as a Demo. I loathe the Demo ideology of collectivism, homosexualism and big statism and I would not favor any politician just because he was a regimented Demo. I support Obama because he shows visible traces of humanity and because I see hints that he may have the ability to ignore ideology or the party's mandates when dealing with reality.
All the time you were ragging us that Paul could not win, we knew that
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#105. To: Pinguinite (#87) (Edited)
LOL - it looks like you just bozoed the same contributor I did a few days ago. I believe that you expressed some criticism at the time, mainly for publicly announcing my decision. Now... you've done it yourself and I have no problem with that. :) Peace, brother.
Listen, it seems your intellect is sharing the same mud puddle as your morals so I'm going to put you on bozo, okay? Don't take it too hard though. I'll probably take you back off when you get into 6th or 7th grade.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#106. To: Elliott Jackalope (#65)
I do that all the time!
perhaps you might consider fertilizing yourself?
I can kill you with my brain or bash you with my shell.
#107. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#104)
Thin gruel... Obama IS part of the system. Anyone that is NOT part and parcel, such as Paul, is ridiculed out of the gate by the MSM and the other candidates. Do you recall any other candidate, either party, that was mocked, ridiculed and laughed at by the moderators and other candidates?
I support Obama because he shows visible traces of humanity and because I see hints that he may have the ability to ignore ideology or the party's mandates when dealing with reality.
#108. To: YertleTurtle (#106)
I do that all the time! The humor side of your brain works pretty good ... it's the political side that needs to be tuned.
perhaps you might consider fertilizing yourself?
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
#109. To: noone222 (#108)
Pretty good???? Is that the best you can do? I think Turtle is crazy, like a sly fox that has a bag full of your chickens and you dont know it.
The humor side of your brain works pretty good ..
#110. To: Cynicom (#107)
Obama is as much part of the system as Ron Paul is. The fact that the MSM and Hillary are uncomfortable with him should be a plus, not a liability. Buchanan was ridiculed by the MSM and the Jews as much as Obama or more back in 2000. Today's, the stupid TV heads and the Jews are after Obama. Note how even the beloved Lou Dobbs is now a rabid Hilary girl now.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#111. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#110)
Hardly... The system stopped Paul in his tracks. He then took a dive and acquired political religion as a staunch republican, recall that??? Obama has been given a pass by everyone because they dare not attack or ridicule. Obama WILL take a dive also when told to and accept the VP job. Obama supporters will then have to support the Clintons, that is disgusting.
Obama is as much part of the system as Ron Paul is.
#112. To: Cynicom (#111)
Obama is much more comfortable inside the system than Ron Paul is. And this is NOT a good point for RP. People should be true to their views and act upon them not do what is convenient. By the way, talking about your distorted and dishonest accusation that I was putting down RP because 'he could not win' - which I re-discussed in another contribution to this thread - it is VERY likely that I would vote for Bob Barr in the general election if he runs as an independent and I will support him, regardless of the odds (none) of his winning the presidency, just as I supported Buchanan and voted for him back in 2000. So, to conclude, I am always right and you are always wrong even though, as I stated, I admire and respect you backing your views with concrete actions. What I do not respect is your dishonest efforts to distort and misrepresent my views.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#113. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#112)
vast Those are your words not mine. I support no one that is part of the system.
"I support Obama"
#114. To: Cynicom (#113) (Edited)
You support or supported Ron Paul. Don't you or didn't you?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#115. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#114)
DID...until he swore allegiance to the republican party.
You support or supported Ron Paul. Don't you or didn't you?
#116. To: Cynicom (#115)
Oh, come on. RP is and was a GOP member when he announced his run for prez and, ever since, he always stated that he would seek the GOP nomination and that he would stay with the GOP and not attempt to do a 'third party' BECAUSE, he claimed, he was a GOP and was planning to stay one. Apparently, poor me was able to see this but you couldn't, which proves my point about me being right most of the time and principled always.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#117. To: Cynicom (#111)
I think you're right. Obama will be #2 with Rodham #1.
#118. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#116)
Correct, and he was a republican when he ran as a Libertarian, or had you forgotten that???
Oh, come on. RP is and was a GOP member
#119. To: angle (#117)
angle... A sure winner, how can they lose???? Obama alone is a sure loser, Clinton alone is a possible loser. She will "sleep" with anyone that can help make her queen.
I think you're right. Obama will be #2 with Rodham #1.
#120. To: Cynicom (#118)
Don't change the topic. You said that you do not support anyone who's part of the system. Ron Paul is part of the system and you supported him until a few days ago. QED
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#121. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#120)
Jeezus...you are hung up on semantics. The system is the one ruled by the elites with their chosen in place. As such, Paul is not a part of it.
#122. To: mirage (#100)
Throughout history, take a look at them. Alexander, Caesar, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler, Lenin - they all promised their followers that they would simply be taken care of and threw enough coin at them to ensure loyalty. The trick is that people need to have some standards, some ethics, some integrity and say "I cannot be bought." Until that day, we're doomed to have politicians and other "leaders" running around buying loyalty. Loyalty should be earned, not just given. But we're not there yet. We don't understand that the way to get something done is to do it. Its too bad. Excellent analysis!!!! The trick is that people need to have some standards, some ethics, some integrity and say "I cannot be bought." Until that day, we're doomed to have politicians and other "leaders" running around buying loyalty. Loyalty should be earned, not just given. Absolutely. At this point, there are few consequences for people. That is coming to an end. This rattletrap just needs to make it to election day.
They're called "leaders" because they can bribe enough people to follow them.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#123. To: angle (#121) (Edited)
Sure he is part of the system. He may not be welcome in the inner circle but in and of the 2-party system he is. Note that even Cyni agrees that RP is 'system' today even though he claims that he wasn't a few days ago.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#124. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#123)
This is where you're confused. The system that runs the show is not the system we participate in. We're just part of general society, not the "system." The system's been hijacked. That's why RP ain't part of it.
#125. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#120)
Your confusion lies in the difference between a system politician, and a member of the Establishment/Elite. I do consider RP part of the system but he isn't a member of the Establishment. With Obama's endorsements, he is both a system player and a budding member of the Establishment.
Ron Paul is part of the system and you supported him until a few days ago.
#126. To: Peppa (#122)
Bring it.
At this point, there are few consequences for people. That is coming to an end.
#127. To: angle (#126)
I'd like to see it averted, but... :(
At this point, there are few consequences for people. That is coming to an end. Bring it.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#128. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#120)
Lots of people belong to dem and pub party, but they are not part of the system and you saw that live on TV..."Who was the only candidate from either party that was crucified in front of your own eyes"? Paul is a party member but far from the ruling elite. Perhaps you are a democrat but I suspect you do not sup with the Clintons, see the difference?
Don't change the topic.
#129. To: Cynicom (#46)
They offered the same to Christine and me but we said no as the Sunday paper was what was needed. The other ad was $150,000, so you see the publisher was not happy. But the publisher (who supports McCain) and McCain's campaign were happy in that neither Lyman's ad nor our ad ran on Sunday, the day their readership is 10+ times any other day.
and the publisher said it cost them a fortune for that error in that they ran the ad for two days.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
#130. To: Jethro Tull (#125)
I am fully aware of it and I expect an unbelievable amount of pressure coming from the establishment to swallow him in and integrate him. This is why it is important that he is aware of support coming to him from outside. He should understand that he will get the WH job not because of the Jewish/Israel lobby or the militaristic/imperialistic interests but because many 'independents' supported him. It is possible that he may be, at least partially, integrated into the establishment but, this is all we get today. I see his campaign being, indeed, about 'hope' as he is about to knock down the woman who married 'the man from Hope'.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#131. To: robin (#129)
In this case the publisher was not the owners, and had to do the explaining. robin, young lady you are looking for long shadows at high noon.
#132. To: Cynicom (#128)
I an a 'Democrat' and have been one for 4 weeks already because I wanted to vote in the PA primary. That's it. However, RP ran for office as a GOP, he voted for the GOP-nominated speaker. He is strongly aligned with the GOP party. He is not 'inner circle' but he found it important to get the GOP blessing to run for US prez. The GOP said 'no' and... that's it. If you are asking for your landlord's permission to marry your sweetheart, it doesn't really matter how you trash the landlord when you are having beer at the pub. You are still your landlord's subject.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#133. To: robin (#129)
Hi, Robin! Hi!!!
Silver Convention - Fly Robin Fly
#134. To: Cynicom (#111)
There, you've said it again. You keep saying it. Why should we take your prediction seriously, when you won't say you will admit you were wrong if Obama gets the presidential nomination? For that matter, why should we take anything you say seriously?
Obama WILL take a dive also when told to and accept the VP job.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#135. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Cynicom (#132)
Cynicom said on this forum a while back that he was going to change his registration to Democratic so that he could vote for Hillary in the primary. I haven't noticed him talking about that intention of late, but I suspect he went ahead and did what he said he intended to do.
I an a 'Democrat' and have been one for 4 weeks already because I wanted to vote in the PA primary.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#136. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#132)
vast... My last word (thank heavens). The ruling elite are not dems or pub s, they are the rulers, they own and operate both "so called parties". With this in mind, some of us consider the government as our enemy, regadless of which "party" is in power. Supporting any of the three available is support for the ruling elite. Perhaps you note there is ZERO support here for McKooK??? doe s that not make you stop and pnder, if not you should.
#137. To: YertleTurtle (#0) (Edited)
If you try to communicate with someone who has put you on Bozo, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of the Bozo filter? For that matter, doesn't it defeat the whole purpose of this forum's policy of having a Bozo filter, so that posters need not be banned, and speech can be kept as free as possible?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#138. To: Cynicom (#136)
Except when you vote for Hillary.
Supporting any of the three available is support for the ruling elite.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#139. To: aristeides (#137)
FYI, any thread can also be put on "Ignore Thread" (under the original post at the top). And then from "Setup" -> "Content Filters" any thread can be "Unignored".
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
#140. To: Peppa (#127)
At this point, there are few consequences for people. That is coming to an end. Bring it. Oh, I was suggesting that those to whom consequences are deserved get it.
To: angle
#141. To: Cynicom (#46)
$ 150,000 is peanuts to those with the printing press.
The other ad was $150,000, so you see the publisher was not happy.
#142. To: angle (#140)
That would be ideal. Won't hold my breath though.. 8]
Oh, I was suggesting that those to whom consequences are deserved get it.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#143. To: noone222 (#108)
The humor side of your brain works pretty good ... it's the political side that needs to be tuned.
I can kill you with my brain or bash you with my shell.
#144. To: Peppa (#122)
I'm not so sure if the free ride is going to come to an end as quickly as we would like it to. The powers that be will keep it going as long as possible in order to purchase as many votes as they can get with someone else's money. I would like to see two Constitutional Amendments put in place I think would solve this problem. Your comments are welcome. The first is this: The second is this: I think those would solve a lot of our problems. It would also make sure no Halliburton employee could vote :)
At this point, there are few consequences for people. That is coming to an end. This rattletrap just needs to make it to election day.
Add the following to the Commerce Clause: ...limited to regulating the actual movement of goods and services.
No person whose livelihood derives from the receipt of Government funds shall be permitted the right to vote.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
#145. To: mirage (#144) (Edited)
Let me flip that over a bit and say, I agree, but to drain as much as they can from the public. ;) Promises and fairytails are cashcows. Note the whining of the RNC about the lack of donations.. Promises broken, fairytails really meant busting Senators in airport bathrooms. I would like to see two Constitutional Amendments put in place I think would solve this problem. Your comments are welcome. The first is this: Add the following to the Commerce Clause: ...limited to regulating the actual movement of goods and services. The second is this: No person whose livelihood derives from the receipt of Government funds shall be permitted the right to vote. I'll have to think about those.. The 2nd one could be easily abused to deny people on Social Security. For some, that's all they have. Someone mentioned taxing the Fed Reserve on every transaction, rather than having an income tax. Imagine the money that could flow from that.
I'm not so sure if the free ride is going to come to an end as quickly as we would like it to. The powers that be will keep it going as long as possible in order to purchase as many votes as they can get with someone else's money.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#146. To: Cynicom (#20)
You are a student of human nature.
People hate to be ignored, that cuts much deeper than bozoing.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#147. To: Cynicom (#22) (Edited)
I have come to see the political process, accurately I think, as one of accretion and erosion. And from my POV what ever effort you made is not wasted. You may have changed the POV of several thousand by your efforts. It is a big ship we have here, turning it will be slow, usually. So ya lose a fight, if you have the better ideas, the stage may be set for a win the next time.
I underwrote the entire cost of the intended ad at a cost of nearly $2000,
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#148. To: tom007 (#147)
From nearly 40 years in political infighting, I learned the hard way, no school can teach what it takes to survive. Being non partisan really brings you enemies from all quarters.. My philosophy was, if you are in office, you need to look for honest work. Ran my own nephew out of office as a County Commissioner, he was corrupt, shiftless and a drunk. Now he is sober and a Judge, still shiftless though.
#149. To: Cynicom (#148)
Well at least he played well with others. :)
shiftless and a drunk
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#150. To: Cynicom (#148)
What do you call a lousy lawyer...? Your Honor. What do you call a lousy judge...? Congressman.
Now he is sober and a Judge, still shiftless though.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
#151. To: Peppa (#145)
That's why I can't support Obama. As far as I can tell, he's spinning the world's biggest smokescreen and feeding directly into the desire of people to believe in something. Why people can't believe in themselves instead is a bigger question. Obama can't deliver anything other than "someone else" in the White House. There won't be anything different; the system is too entrenched right now for one man to change it. Well, the whole idea is that people who are dependent on taxpayer largesse should not be allowed to vote themselves more of someone else's pocketbook. Voting oneself a portion of someone else's wallet is still theft no matter how many nice-looking Government thugs say its just fine to do. That gets dicey because there are times when the Fed isn't goosing the money supply. By statute, all 'profits' the Fed turns are already turned over to the US Treasury. About the only transactions that could be taxed are dividends from securities that the Fed owns or placing a fee of a fraction of a cent on checks cleared through the Federal Reserve System. Those guys are set up so well that there really isn't much to tax. The Fed takes securities and issues currency against it. Its pretty much a zero-sum game at the Fed. Inflation comes when the freshly printed cash (against the liability deposited with the Fed) hits the fractional reserve system in the retail banks and is multiplied there. Given that there is no 'Reserve' at the Fed, one could only tax the printing of new money, but how do you do that given that it goes out as a loan and is thus a zero-sum game? There is no real income there that isn't locked up already by statute; they pay dividends by law to the member banks at 6% and the excess is already turned over to the US Treasury.
Promises and fairytails are cashcows. Note the whining of the RNC about the lack of donations.. Promises broken, fairytails really meant busting Senators in airport bathrooms.
I'll have to think about those.. The 2nd one could be easily abused to deny people on Social Security. For some, that's all they have.
Someone mentioned taxing the Fed Reserve on every transaction, rather than having an income tax. Imagine the money that could flow from that.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
#152. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#130)
(political reality) This is why he is unelectable. It's the same reason RP never had a chance. (/political reality)
He should understand that he will get the WH job not because of the Jewish/Israel lobby or the militaristic/imperialistic interests but because many 'independents' supported him.
#153. To: Jethro Tull (#152)
Good. Remember what you just stated, because there will be an election in a few months.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#154. To: mirage (#151)
Obama can't deliver anything other than "someone else" in the White House. There won't be anything different; the system is too entrenched right now for one man to change it. I agree completely. Huge con job. Cultists are swallowing it whole. Well, the whole idea is that people who are dependent on taxpayer largesse should not be allowed to vote themselves more of someone else's pocketbook. Voting oneself a portion of someone else's wallet is still theft no matter how many nice-looking Government thugs say its just fine to do. I totally understand your point. Our system is so hosed as it is, I don't know how more laws etc., could improve it at the ground level. We need to start over. It's impossible to pump the sewage out at this point.. IMO. That gets dicey because there are times when the Fed isn't goosing the money supply. By statute, all 'profits' the Fed turns are already turned over to the US Treasury. About the only transactions that could be taxed are dividends from securities that the Fed owns or placing a fee of a fraction of a cent on checks cleared through the Federal Reserve System. Those guys are set up so well that there really isn't much to tax. The Fed takes securities and issues currency against it. Its pretty much a zero-sum game at the Fed. Inflation comes when the freshly printed cash (against the liability deposited with the Fed) hits the fractional reserve system in the retail banks and is multiplied there. Given that there is no 'Reserve' at the Fed, one could only tax the printing of new money, but how do you do that given that it goes out as a loan and is thus a zero-sum game? There is no real income there that isn't locked up already by statute; they pay dividends by law to the member banks at 6% and the excess is already turned over to the US Treasury. Good Lord Mirage, thank you for the excellent lesson!!! I'm with RP on abolishing the Fed, Income Tax, and the IRS.. (I know, never happen..... stop laughing!!! ;)
That's why I can't support Obama. As far as I can tell, he's spinning the world's biggest smokescreen and feeding directly into the desire of people to believe in something. Why people can't believe in themselves instead is a bigger question.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#155. To: Ferret Mike (#103)
Hi Ferret, Yes, being true to yourself is definitely better than the alternative. That's quite a compliment. Thank you very much. Yes, it happens with any passionate drive, whether it be religious, political or other ideological based belief that members are so caught up in it they loose perspective of proper values. There are plenty of examples of that in the past, and I think a form of that here even on 4um. Please pardon the late response as I've been out of the house much of this weekend. I do appreciate your comments. Thanks again.
Never forget, to thine own self be true. I never doubt my abilities and don't depend on others to define me.
You have my deepest respect, I have never seen you do anything but be true to your beliefs, ethics, and the truth. It is outstanding to have gotten to know you.
#156. To: Peppa (#154)
Why laugh? I stand with both of you.
I'm with RP on abolishing the Fed, Income Tax, and the IRS.. (I know, never happen..... stop laughing!!! ;)
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
#157. To: mirage (#156)
Well shoot, I didn't know that!!! Yay!
Why laugh? I stand with both of you.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#158. To: Peppa (#157)
FWIW, I've always been a fan of Barry Goldwater.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
#159. To: mirage (#158)
I didn't know that much about him until recently!
FWIW, I've always been a fan of Barry Goldwater.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
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