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Published: Apr 18, 2008
Author: YertleTurtle
Post Date: 2008-04-18 22:29:36 by YertleTurtle
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Robin's got me on Bozo.
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#120. To: Cynicom (#118)
Don't change the topic. You said that you do not support anyone who's part of the system. Ron Paul is part of the system and you supported him until a few days ago. QED
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Jeezus...you are hung up on semantics. The system is the one ruled by the elites with their chosen in place. As such, Paul is not a part of it.
Throughout history, take a look at them. Alexander, Caesar, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler, Lenin - they all promised their followers that they would simply be taken care of and threw enough coin at them to ensure loyalty. The trick is that people need to have some standards, some ethics, some integrity and say "I cannot be bought." Until that day, we're doomed to have politicians and other "leaders" running around buying loyalty. Loyalty should be earned, not just given. But we're not there yet. We don't understand that the way to get something done is to do it. Its too bad. Excellent analysis!!!! The trick is that people need to have some standards, some ethics, some integrity and say "I cannot be bought." Until that day, we're doomed to have politicians and other "leaders" running around buying loyalty. Loyalty should be earned, not just given. Absolutely. At this point, there are few consequences for people. That is coming to an end. This rattletrap just needs to make it to election day.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
Sure he is part of the system. He may not be welcome in the inner circle but in and of the 2-party system he is. Note that even Cyni agrees that RP is 'system' today even though he claims that he wasn't a few days ago.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
This is where you're confused. The system that runs the show is not the system we participate in. We're just part of general society, not the "system." The system's been hijacked. That's why RP ain't part of it.
Your confusion lies in the difference between a system politician, and a member of the Establishment/Elite. I do consider RP part of the system but he isn't a member of the Establishment. With Obama's endorsements, he is both a system player and a budding member of the Establishment.
Bring it.
I'd like to see it averted, but... :(
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
Lots of people belong to dem and pub party, but they are not part of the system and you saw that live on TV..."Who was the only candidate from either party that was crucified in front of your own eyes"? Paul is a party member but far from the ruling elite. Perhaps you are a democrat but I suspect you do not sup with the Clintons, see the difference?
They offered the same to Christine and me but we said no as the Sunday paper was what was needed. The other ad was $150,000, so you see the publisher was not happy. But the publisher (who supports McCain) and McCain's campaign were happy in that neither Lyman's ad nor our ad ran on Sunday, the day their readership is 10+ times any other day.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I am fully aware of it and I expect an unbelievable amount of pressure coming from the establishment to swallow him in and integrate him. This is why it is important that he is aware of support coming to him from outside. He should understand that he will get the WH job not because of the Jewish/Israel lobby or the militaristic/imperialistic interests but because many 'independents' supported him. It is possible that he may be, at least partially, integrated into the establishment but, this is all we get today. I see his campaign being, indeed, about 'hope' as he is about to knock down the woman who married 'the man from Hope'.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
In this case the publisher was not the owners, and had to do the explaining. robin, young lady you are looking for long shadows at high noon.
I an a 'Democrat' and have been one for 4 weeks already because I wanted to vote in the PA primary. That's it. However, RP ran for office as a GOP, he voted for the GOP-nominated speaker. He is strongly aligned with the GOP party. He is not 'inner circle' but he found it important to get the GOP blessing to run for US prez. The GOP said 'no' and... that's it. If you are asking for your landlord's permission to marry your sweetheart, it doesn't really matter how you trash the landlord when you are having beer at the pub. You are still your landlord's subject.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
There, you've said it again. You keep saying it. Why should we take your prediction seriously, when you won't say you will admit you were wrong if Obama gets the presidential nomination? For that matter, why should we take anything you say seriously?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Cynicom said on this forum a while back that he was going to change his registration to Democratic so that he could vote for Hillary in the primary. I haven't noticed him talking about that intention of late, but I suspect he went ahead and did what he said he intended to do.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
vast... My last word (thank heavens). The ruling elite are not dems or pub s, they are the rulers, they own and operate both "so called parties". With this in mind, some of us consider the government as our enemy, regadless of which "party" is in power. Supporting any of the three available is support for the ruling elite. Perhaps you note there is ZERO support here for McKooK??? doe s that not make you stop and pnder, if not you should.
If you try to communicate with someone who has put you on Bozo, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of the Bozo filter? For that matter, doesn't it defeat the whole purpose of this forum's policy of having a Bozo filter, so that posters need not be banned, and speech can be kept as free as possible?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Except when you vote for Hillary.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
FYI, any thread can also be put on "Ignore Thread" (under the original post at the top). And then from "Setup" -> "Content Filters" any thread can be "Unignored".
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
At this point, there are few consequences for people. That is coming to an end. Bring it. Oh, I was suggesting that those to whom consequences are deserved get it.
$ 150,000 is peanuts to those with the printing press.
That would be ideal. Won't hold my breath though.. 8]
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
I can kill you with my brain or bash you with my shell.
I'm not so sure if the free ride is going to come to an end as quickly as we would like it to. The powers that be will keep it going as long as possible in order to purchase as many votes as they can get with someone else's money. I would like to see two Constitutional Amendments put in place I think would solve this problem. Your comments are welcome. The first is this: The second is this: I think those would solve a lot of our problems. It would also make sure no Halliburton employee could vote :)
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Let me flip that over a bit and say, I agree, but to drain as much as they can from the public. ;) Promises and fairytails are cashcows. Note the whining of the RNC about the lack of donations.. Promises broken, fairytails really meant busting Senators in airport bathrooms. I would like to see two Constitutional Amendments put in place I think would solve this problem. Your comments are welcome. The first is this: Add the following to the Commerce Clause: ...limited to regulating the actual movement of goods and services. The second is this: No person whose livelihood derives from the receipt of Government funds shall be permitted the right to vote. I'll have to think about those.. The 2nd one could be easily abused to deny people on Social Security. For some, that's all they have. Someone mentioned taxing the Fed Reserve on every transaction, rather than having an income tax. Imagine the money that could flow from that.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
You are a student of human nature.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I have come to see the political process, accurately I think, as one of accretion and erosion. And from my POV what ever effort you made is not wasted. You may have changed the POV of several thousand by your efforts. It is a big ship we have here, turning it will be slow, usually. So ya lose a fight, if you have the better ideas, the stage may be set for a win the next time.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" From nearly 40 years in political infighting, I learned the hard way, no school can teach what it takes to survive. Being non partisan really brings you enemies from all quarters.. My philosophy was, if you are in office, you need to look for honest work. Ran my own nephew out of office as a County Commissioner, he was corrupt, shiftless and a drunk. Now he is sober and a Judge, still shiftless though.
Well at least he played well with others. :)
"Satan / Cheney in "08" What do you call a lousy lawyer...? Your Honor. What do you call a lousy judge...? Congressman.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
That's why I can't support Obama. As far as I can tell, he's spinning the world's biggest smokescreen and feeding directly into the desire of people to believe in something. Why people can't believe in themselves instead is a bigger question. Obama can't deliver anything other than "someone else" in the White House. There won't be anything different; the system is too entrenched right now for one man to change it. Well, the whole idea is that people who are dependent on taxpayer largesse should not be allowed to vote themselves more of someone else's pocketbook. Voting oneself a portion of someone else's wallet is still theft no matter how many nice-looking Government thugs say its just fine to do. That gets dicey because there are times when the Fed isn't goosing the money supply. By statute, all 'profits' the Fed turns are already turned over to the US Treasury. About the only transactions that could be taxed are dividends from securities that the Fed owns or placing a fee of a fraction of a cent on checks cleared through the Federal Reserve System. Those guys are set up so well that there really isn't much to tax. The Fed takes securities and issues currency against it. Its pretty much a zero-sum game at the Fed. Inflation comes when the freshly printed cash (against the liability deposited with the Fed) hits the fractional reserve system in the retail banks and is multiplied there. Given that there is no 'Reserve' at the Fed, one could only tax the printing of new money, but how do you do that given that it goes out as a loan and is thus a zero-sum game? There is no real income there that isn't locked up already by statute; they pay dividends by law to the member banks at 6% and the excess is already turned over to the US Treasury.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
(political reality) This is why he is unelectable. It's the same reason RP never had a chance. (/political reality)
Good. Remember what you just stated, because there will be an election in a few months.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Obama can't deliver anything other than "someone else" in the White House. There won't be anything different; the system is too entrenched right now for one man to change it. I agree completely. Huge con job. Cultists are swallowing it whole. Well, the whole idea is that people who are dependent on taxpayer largesse should not be allowed to vote themselves more of someone else's pocketbook. Voting oneself a portion of someone else's wallet is still theft no matter how many nice-looking Government thugs say its just fine to do. I totally understand your point. Our system is so hosed as it is, I don't know how more laws etc., could improve it at the ground level. We need to start over. It's impossible to pump the sewage out at this point.. IMO. That gets dicey because there are times when the Fed isn't goosing the money supply. By statute, all 'profits' the Fed turns are already turned over to the US Treasury. About the only transactions that could be taxed are dividends from securities that the Fed owns or placing a fee of a fraction of a cent on checks cleared through the Federal Reserve System. Those guys are set up so well that there really isn't much to tax. The Fed takes securities and issues currency against it. Its pretty much a zero-sum game at the Fed. Inflation comes when the freshly printed cash (against the liability deposited with the Fed) hits the fractional reserve system in the retail banks and is multiplied there. Given that there is no 'Reserve' at the Fed, one could only tax the printing of new money, but how do you do that given that it goes out as a loan and is thus a zero-sum game? There is no real income there that isn't locked up already by statute; they pay dividends by law to the member banks at 6% and the excess is already turned over to the US Treasury. Good Lord Mirage, thank you for the excellent lesson!!! I'm with RP on abolishing the Fed, Income Tax, and the IRS.. (I know, never happen..... stop laughing!!! ;)
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
Hi Ferret, Yes, being true to yourself is definitely better than the alternative. That's quite a compliment. Thank you very much. Yes, it happens with any passionate drive, whether it be religious, political or other ideological based belief that members are so caught up in it they loose perspective of proper values. There are plenty of examples of that in the past, and I think a form of that here even on 4um. Please pardon the late response as I've been out of the house much of this weekend. I do appreciate your comments. Thanks again.
Why laugh? I stand with both of you.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Well shoot, I didn't know that!!! Yay!
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
FWIW, I've always been a fan of Barry Goldwater.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
I didn't know that much about him until recently!
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
#121. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#120)
#122. To: mirage (#100)
They're called "leaders" because they can bribe enough people to follow them.
#123. To: angle (#121)
(Edited)
#124. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#123)
#125. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#120)
Ron Paul is part of the system and you supported him until a few days ago.
#126. To: Peppa (#122)
At this point, there are few consequences for people. That is coming to an end.
#127. To: angle (#126)
At this point, there are few consequences for people. That is coming to an end. Bring it.
#128. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#120)
Don't change the topic.
#129. To: Cynicom (#46)
and the publisher said it cost them a fortune for that error in that they ran the ad for two days.
#130. To: Jethro Tull (#125)
#131. To: robin (#129)
#132. To: Cynicom (#128)
#133. To: robin (#129)
Hi, Robin! Hi!!!
Silver Convention - Fly Robin Fly
#134. To: Cynicom (#111)
Obama WILL take a dive also when told to and accept the VP job.
#135. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Cynicom (#132)
I an a 'Democrat' and have been one for 4 weeks already because I wanted to vote in the PA primary.
#136. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#132)
#137. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
(Edited)
#138. To: Cynicom (#136)
Supporting any of the three available is support for the ruling elite.
#139. To: aristeides (#137)
#140. To: Peppa (#127)
To: angle
#141. To: Cynicom (#46)
The other ad was $150,000, so you see the publisher was not happy.
#142. To: angle (#140)
Oh, I was suggesting that those to whom consequences are deserved get it.
#143. To: noone222 (#108)
The humor side of your brain works pretty good ... it's the political side that needs to be tuned.
#144. To: Peppa (#122)
At this point, there are few consequences for people. That is coming to an end. This rattletrap just needs to make it to election day.
Add the following to the Commerce Clause: ...limited to regulating the actual movement of goods and services.
No person whose livelihood derives from the receipt of Government funds shall be permitted the right to vote.
#145. To: mirage (#144)
(Edited)
I'm not so sure if the free ride is going to come to an end as quickly as we would like it to. The powers that be will keep it going as long as possible in order to purchase as many votes as they can get with someone else's money.
#146. To: Cynicom (#20)
People hate to be ignored, that cuts much deeper than bozoing.
#147. To: Cynicom (#22)
(Edited)
I underwrote the entire cost of the intended ad at a cost of nearly $2000,
#148. To: tom007 (#147)
#149. To: Cynicom (#148)
shiftless and a drunk
#150. To: Cynicom (#148)
Now he is sober and a Judge, still shiftless though.
#151. To: Peppa (#145)
Promises and fairytails are cashcows. Note the whining of the RNC about the lack of donations.. Promises broken, fairytails really meant busting Senators in airport bathrooms.
I'll have to think about those.. The 2nd one could be easily abused to deny people on Social Security. For some, that's all they have.
Someone mentioned taxing the Fed Reserve on every transaction, rather than having an income tax. Imagine the money that could flow from that.
#152. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#130)
He should understand that he will get the WH job not because of the Jewish/Israel lobby or the militaristic/imperialistic interests but because many 'independents' supported him.
#153. To: Jethro Tull (#152)
#154. To: mirage (#151)
That's why I can't support Obama. As far as I can tell, he's spinning the world's biggest smokescreen and feeding directly into the desire of people to believe in something. Why people can't believe in themselves instead is a bigger question.
#155. To: Ferret Mike (#103)
Never forget, to thine own self be true. I never doubt my abilities and don't depend on others to define me.
You have my deepest respect, I have never seen you do anything but be true to your beliefs, ethics, and the truth. It is outstanding to have gotten to know you.
#156. To: Peppa (#154)
I'm with RP on abolishing the Fed, Income Tax, and the IRS.. (I know, never happen..... stop laughing!!! ;)
#157. To: mirage (#156)
Why laugh? I stand with both of you.
#158. To: Peppa (#157)
#159. To: mirage (#158)
FWIW, I've always been a fan of Barry Goldwater.
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