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Title: Waco - The Big Lie
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URL Source: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=573761538341962905
Published: Jan 19, 2007
Author: Linda Thompson
Post Date: 2008-04-19 18:19:56 by buckeye
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Views: 1371
Comments: 70
WACO - The Big Lie Part 1 & 2. Linda Thompson is an Indianapolis based attorney who took it upon herself to gather all available evidence of the WACO disaster. For the first time you are able to see film footage not shown on the news-casts. You will see that even what was shown on the nightly news was "doctored" to make you believe what the Government wanted you to believe, instead of the Truth.
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#17. To: buckeye (#2)
Thanks for the ping to this video.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
It's a tough flick to watch isn't it? It's easy to understand why it would be so easy to pull the gallows lever on those scum.
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Those scum had better pray I never get a terminal disease ....you fill in the rest...
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx I always vote my conscience on the slim hope that by doing so someone else who wants my vote will lose an election, and maybe, someday, their actions will begin to resemble my conscience.
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I hear ya bro.
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That's exactly the way that I'm thinking.
They will get theirs, in this life or the next. No one gets away with anything. imo, this is why Ed and Elaine Brown didn't meet the same fate. Too many people were watching. Fedgov knew how people would react. Not everyone, but enough to get the job done. There will be more more Wacos'. No more free passes.
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Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
You're too intelligent to pose such a question. The answer is evident .... we're going to have to live with one of them for at least the next four years. Who will it be ... the odious, cackling control freak Hillary, the cross-your-fingers and pray against another foolish invasion or bomb dropping McCain, or a candidate with an upbeat message of hope not fear, and a smile instead of a populace disdaining smirk. Cast a vote that will make a difference ... not a petulant surrender to despair.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
I remember when bill Clinton was the candidate of hope. I looked on Barack obama's web site. It said that he wants to keep enough troops in Iraq to hold down the military bases and to keep the Iraq government in power. It also said that he thinks we should keep those bases so that we can attack other countries in the region. I guess some people do have hope that we invade other countries from Iraq.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
If I vote at all it will be a write in for Ron Paul OR, assuming he has "evolved" on the drug issue and knows now that whatever grown people injest/smoke/and/or inject into their own body is their own business so long as they are harming no one else, Bob Barr. But if he is still a "drug warrior" as he was at one time I could not vote for him. While I don't advocate the use of very many of the drugs that the government wants to punish people for using I don't think the harm, with most of them, is as bad as the draconian punishments associated with using them. And at some point you have to figure that people have some rights to do what they choose to do--I have often told people that if what you do is a sin against God then he can surely punish you for it. But if you don't actually harm someone else then man has no business or right to punish you. Is that "too libertarian"? I don't know but it is what I have always believed.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You're too intelligent to pose such a question. No, actually I must not be. Because if it takes "great intelligence" to see a lot of difference in those three statist whores I must be pretty stupid. The answer is evident .... we're going to have to live with one of them for at least the next four years. That may or may not be true. Anything could happen in four years. And some of us probably won't be here that much longer. Who will it be ... the odious, cackling control freak Hillary, the cross-your-fingers and pray against another foolish invasion or bomb dropping McCain, or a candidate with an upbeat message of hope not fear, and a smile instead of a populace disdaining smirk. So then, in your opinion, a man with a phony smile and who makes a pretty fair speech is someone who should be in the figurehead position? Interesting. I don't believe that he is any different, deep down inside where it really counts, than the other two. If he were he would not have gotten all the fawning press. And I believe you are intelligent enough to know that if you would just think about it a bit. Cast a vote that will make a difference ... not a petulant surrender to despair. I don't see any difference in those three statist whores because there is no difference to see beyond gender and race. Not an American in the lot of them.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I agree on the drug issues. Throwing people in jail for merely using drugs is foolish. The only justification for government to outlaw drugs is to protect people from the drugs. When government throws people in jail for using the drugs and gives them a criminal record, then government is harming the people far more than the drug use would have. There's been too much criminal activity by our government to continue electing candidates that do not tell us that they are on our side. Obama's had plenty of time to tell us that he will eliminate the federal reserve. he hasn't done it. Obama's not told us he'll bring the troops home, he says he'll keep them in Iraq and expand the wars elsewhere. This man Obama is a con IMHO. I admit that we have no better alternative among the 3 candidates left. but why should we vote for him? He's given us no reason.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
You knocked that out of the park. Great post. Obama is just another statist who will do as he is told by the folks who actually run things. The only one running who would not have, who appears to be his own man and not beholden to anyone or anything but his God, his family and his country, was Ron Paul. And it is for sure that he was the only one running who ever thought that oath he took actually meant something.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. A bit of advice boys it doesn't work that way. Your heart turns to family and your head turns to the realization that in the big picture, you are not so much, it all goes on without you.
Some of her movie's allegations have since been vindicated by professionally produced films such as Waco: The Rules of Engagement and Waco: A New Revelation, but the film's most controversial aspects have not. Specifically, Linda Thompson showed a split second of footage of a tank with what appeared to be fire emitting from it into Mt. Carmel and she claimed it was a flamethrower used to start the fire that consumed the church. When the full footage was acquired by Michael McNulty, the "fire" was shown to be sunlight reflecting off sheetrock insulation on a wall panel that had fallen on the tank. Adding a sense of surety to her flamethrower claim, Thompson claimed that the tank backed out twice and each time the flame was clearly visible, but in fact she just ran the same split-second clip twice. Thompson also claimed that three BATF agents killed by friendly fire during the siege were all former bodyguards of then-President Bill Clinton and the friendly fire was actually an assassination ordered by Clinton. Her film was also heavily criticized for allegedly showing footage of the siege out of chronological order while Thompson's narration declared that the order shown in her video was the actual order of the events that took place. She followed up her first film with another, Waco II: The Big Lie Continues, in which she offered rebuttals to those who were critical of her first film, declared everyone critical of the film to be part of a cover-up, and continued to stand by the most controversial allegations in Waco: The Big Lie. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Thompson_(attorney)
the only one running who would not have, who appears to be his own man and not beholden to anyone or anything but his God, his family and his country, was Ron Paul. Could not agree with you more. Our bird of Prey will have 2 wings this year, as it has every year, and now that Paul is gone it doesn't make a whits worth of difference, so why bother voting. I won't waste the time on it.
Is Linda Thompson the woman who disappeared?
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
year, and now that Paul is gone it doesn't make a whits worth of difference, Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I think this woman Linda Thompson is the one who did disappear. She called for the big 'march on washington' on september 19, 1994 and then afterwards she disappeared. The Wikipedia article doesn't even mention this about her. In that wikipedia article she's constantly referred to as a 'conspiracy theorist'. And they list one of her crazy ideas being that 3 of the 4 BATF agents killed on 02/28/03 were Clinton body-guards. But Clinton himself said they'd been his bodyguards. and she's portrayed as a kook over it. In order to function in polite society now it seems that there are some lies that we must accept or else at least we must ignore and never speak of.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
President Clinton in a Speech to Treasury Department Personnel
I guess some people do have hope that we invade other countries from Iraq. www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/#bring-home Bringing Our Troops Home Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda. Press Iraq’s Leaders to Reconcile The best way to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving. As we remove our troops, Obama will engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society – in and out of government – to seek a new accord on Iraq’s Constitution and governance. The United Nations will play a central role in this convention, which should not adjourn until a new national accord is reached addressing tough questions like federalism and oil revenue-sharing. Regional Diplomacy Obama will launch the most aggressive diplomatic effort in recent American history to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East. This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran and Syria. This compact will aim to secure Iraq’s borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq’s sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq’s Humanitarian Initiative Obama believes that America has a moral and security responsibility to confront Iraq’s humanitarian crisis — two million Iraqis are refugees; two million more are displaced inside their own country. Obama will form an international working group to address this crisis. He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven. You're called, Red. Where did your's come from?
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
I read previously on Obama's website in the 'issues' section that regarding Iraq he'd reduce the troops over there, but not withdraw them all, that he would leave some there to keep order and to facilitate the ability to attack other nations from the permanent bases there. so, I guess he's changed his web site since then. Sleazy people do that. I've also heard him make pro-war statements. He is very pro-war with regard to Afghanistan & Iran, and in his own words he supports the 'war on terror'.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
also, in the last year there's been several supplemental funding bills specifically to fund the war-spending. and I'm under the impression that Obama has voted for them each time. All it takes is a 50% vote in either the House or the Senate to de-fund war-funding for either war. and Obama has not done the job even to provide his vote for this cause. The Democrats have some people convinced that they cannot stop the war because Republicans won't let them. But Democrats are the majority in both the House & the Senate. and about 80% of the democrats still vote to fund the wars. The constitution is very explicit that all funding for anything must be approved by congress before the money can be spent. a democrat that votes to fund the wars is a democrat that supports the wars.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
imo, this is why Ed and Elaine Brown didn't meet the same fate. Too many people were watching. Fedgov knew how people would react. Not everyone, but enough to get the job done. There will be more more Wacos'. No more free passes. I pray that you are correct on this one. Although Ed and Elaine were infiltrated and taken down 'peacefully.' It's way past time, Claire.
They are the two government parties, and Congress has created an entire bureaucracy (the Federal Election Commission) which exists to ensure there shall be no others.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
You got that eggzacutigly right my friend.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I guess.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
a democrat that votes to DE-fund the wars is a democrat that will be crucified, especially here.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Important work and information. Thank you buckeye.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Long ago and far away I once believed that the "elections" in America were honestly conducted and truly a manifestation of the "will of the people." The Amerika of the present day has shown that the "elections" are an illusion, a great deception, nothing more than a mind-numbing, emotion-laden, media-fueled-distraction to further discombobulate the already fried minds of the "Registered Voter Club." The "Candidates" are pre-selected and groomed (read: conditioned) to obediently serve their "Masters" (read: not the People) to promote their sinister Agenda. In this Amerika, the true power is not with those who foolishly "cast their votes," but entirely with the "Masters and their minions" who allegedly "COUNT" said votes. Participation is Futile.
so very well said.
For those who are excited by Obama, I say good. But I take issue with this remark above. Because all the polls for over a year have shown 65-75% of the Americans want to bring all the troops home from Iraq. I remember in January of 2007 right after the democrat majority took its seats in House & Senate. We had a news story here posted from DailyKos not the mainstream media and it said that 75 House Democrats were sponsoring a bill that would bring the troops home in 6 months. And that legislation was never voted upon or further discussed. Myself & others here were disappointed. I'd be happy to vote for a local democrat for congress if he was anti-war. It was Pelosi I guess who prevented this legislation from advancing. and Pelosi was elected by the democrats to her position. I speak only for myself of course, but I bet others agree. We're very disappointed that the democrats aren't really anti-war. I also think they should impeach bush over the lies he's told to justify the war. a big problem with Obama's credibility are the democrats who've preceded him. Like Clinton. In the 1992 campaign Clinton made a very prominent promise during a big debate where he ridiculed George HW Bush over his close ties with China and he said that he would get tough on china. Then when in office Bill Clinton was in bed with the Chinese, he gave them many favors, favors that cost us Americans a lot, and he made the currency fix deal with China that GW Bush has continued. We've seen a lot of liars in office for a long time. Obama is not on our side. He's pro-federal reserve, he's pro-war, he's in favor of the trade treaties. he's not in tune with issues we care about. If he spoke like he was, then maybe we'd listen. Obama has advisors who are with the Council on Foreign Relations including this Brezinski fellow who came out with a book recently saying that he wants the United Nations to rule the world and for the US to help arrange that to happen.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Waaahhh...at least I don't have to worry about you counteracting my vote. Non-voters are idiots...the more of them, fine with me...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Utterly Damning.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I don't find any tubes of Dallas Pike's Bloody Ridge starting at 40:00. Red stains in the snow, bloody ridge Idaho... This weekend of the 19th, think long and hard on the 400 children taken at El Dorado. America, you'd better turn away from the course you've taken. It's a road straight to hell.
I din't know about this documentary. thanks for letting me see it. I think that is a great choice for the name 'bloody ridge'.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I followed the Waco barbecue closely. Sonny Bruno openly weapt at the testimony of one survivor during televised hearings. Perhaps he sought to uncover the cover up and it lead to his bizarre death on skis, which, of course, was ruled accidental.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
that is exactly correct. and I remember seeing on that video 'Rules of Engagement' some video of congressman John Shaddegg question Reno. He told her repeatedly that the video showed the tank moving forward into the gymnasium and then moving back a total of 17 times while it demolished the gymnasium. It demolished 1 room, the gymnasium completely and did not harm the adjoining rooms hardly at all. it moved forward and back 17 times into this room that was itself about 2,000 SF room and turned it all into rubble covering up the trap door to the underground shelter thus trapping many people inside. and he asked reno why the tank did that repeatedly. each time she assured him that the tank had merely bumped into the building accidentally that it was completely 'inadvertent'. and I remember hearing Shadegg talk about this on the radio. He pressed with his questions, and she made a fool of herself with ridiculous answers. So sad that the mass media didn't focus in on that and completely discredit reno for it. Shadegg unlike Bono has learned to go along to get along. He's running for Senate now. The Next Generation NAZIs have ways of dealing with people who are in the way. I remember reading about how Senator Daschle was speaking a very strong intention & desire to have a wide-open congressional investigation & hearing in public to look into all aspects of the september 11 events to get to the bottom of it. and then within days he received anthrax letter in his senate office. and now he's not in office any more.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Non-voters are idiots...the more of them, fine with me...MUD I suppose it is comforting to believe that the Psy-Op Political Operation (Campaign of the Liars) is for real. But I'd rather not allow my previously "STATE CREATED REGISTERED VOTER" to place a "stamp of approval" upon the CORPORATE CORRUPTION MACHINE U.S. and its nefarious, Republic-Destroying Agenda. It is rather flattering though that you would think that my previosly REGISTERED VOTER would have the power to counteract your REGISTERED VOTER stamp of approval. The COUNTERS OF VOTES have absolute power. It's Out of Babylon for this dude!
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#19. To: Critter (#18)
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#20. To: lodwick (#15)
#21. To: IndieTX (#19)
#22. To: IndieTX, cirtter, patriots (#19)
Those scum had better pray I never get a terminal disease ....you fill in the rest...
#23. To: All (#22)
Really poor spelling for CRITTER there my man.
#24. To: lodwick, All (#22)
That's exactly the way that I'm thinking.
#25. To: buckeye (#0)
#26. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
Why support ANY of them?
#27. To: iconoclast (#26)
#28. To: lodwick (#15)
Whomever is voting this fall, who are you selecting, and why?
Lord Acton
#29. To: iconoclast (#26)
Lord Acton
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#31. To: Red Jones (#30)
Lord Acton
#32. To: lodwick, critter (#22)
"Those scum had better pray I never get a terminal disease ....you fill in the rest... That's exactly the way that I'm thinking."
#33. To: All (#0)
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In 1993, she made a film titled Waco: The Big Lie, which contained footage of the siege of the Branch Davidian church in Waco, Texas. The film was distributed widely on videotape and for a short period after its release she was a regular guest on talk radio shows, especially those of Art Bell and Chuck Harder. The film challenged the mainstream news reports of the Branch Davidian siege and created a small sensation, alleging a government coverup of the events surrounding the siege.
Waco The Big Lie Continues Part 1
#34. To: James Deffenbach (#31)
That may or may not be true. Anything could happen in four years. And some of us probably won't be here that much longer.
#35. To: buckeye (#33)
#36. To: castletrash (#34)
Could not agree with you more. Our bird of Prey will have 2 wings this year, as it has every
Lord Acton
#37. To: buckeye (#33)
#38. To: Red Jones (#37)
In all the employees of the Treasury Department I have seen, I've noticed a rare commitment to serve this Nation conscientiously. And I must say, with the recent tragedies freshly in our minds, I think that we should all once again honor the plaque on the 4th floor of this building that notes more than 160 Treasury agents who have been killed in the line of duty in our Nation's history. From the Secret Service agents who protect our Presidents and who have a particular chore in me because I like to get out and see the people who put me in this job, to Customs agents who wage war on drugs, to the agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, many of the employees of this Department risk their lives to protect the lives of the rest of us. My prayers and I'm sure yours are still with the families of all four of the Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents who were killed in Waco: Todd McKeehan and Conway Le Bleu of New Orleans, Steve Willis of Houston, and Robert Williams from my hometown of Little Rock. Three of those four were assigned to my security during the course of the primary or the general election. My gratitude is also with the Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents who helped to evacuate the World Trade Center in New York in the aftermath of the explosion and later, who helped to find the identification number of the van that led to the arrest of the first suspect in the bombing. I know that all of you join with me in praying for a peaceful and sure and quick conclusion to the events in Waco.
March 18, 1993.
#39. To: Red Jones (#27)
I looked on Barack obama's web site. It said that he wants to keep enough troops in Iraq to hold down the military bases and to keep the Iraq government in power. It also said that he thinks we should keep those bases so that we can attack other countries in the region.
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#41. To: iconoclast (#39)
#42. To: PSUSA (#24)
They will get theirs, in this life or the next. No one gets away with anything.
#43. To: James Deffenbach (#36)
#44. To: DeaconBenjamin (#43)
They are the two government parties, and Congress has created an entire bureaucracy (the Federal Election Commission) which exists to ensure there shall be no others.
Lord Acton
#45. To: Red Jones (#40)
so, I guess he's changed his web site since then.
#46. To: Red Jones (#41)
a democrat that votes to fund the wars is a democrat that supports the wars.
#47. To: buckeye (#0)
#48. To: iconoclast and all prior (#45)
#49. To: SCPO Blackshoe Retired (#48)
#50. To: iconoclast (#46)
a democrat that votes to DE-fund the wars is a democrat that will be crucified, especially here.
#51. To: SCPO Blackshoe Retired (#48)
"Participation is Futile."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#52. To: Red Jones (#50)
#53. To: iconoclast, christine, Red Jones, TwentyTwelve, tom007, Horse, Itisa1mosttoolate, IndieTX, robin, Dakmar, James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, Cynicom (#45)
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Ruby Ridge Documentary
#54. To: buckeye (#53)
Bloody Ridge
#55. To: Red Jones (#54)
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#56. To: Zoroaster (#55)
Sonny Bruno openly weapt at the testimony of one survivor during televised hearings. Perhaps he sought to uncover the cover up and it lead to his bizarre death on skis, which, of course, was ruled accidental.
#57. To: Mudboy Slim (#51)
Waaahhh...at least I don't have to worry about you counteracting my vote.
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