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Title: Fed appeals court says refusal to identify no cause for arrest
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URL Source: http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2008/04/05/News/345838.html
Published: Apr 20, 2008
Author: Rob Moritz
Post Date: 2008-04-20 07:32:29 by PSUSA
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Arkansas News Bureau LITTLE ROCK - A police officer does not have the authority to arrest someone for refusing to identify himself when he is not suspected of committing a crime, a federal appeals panel ruled Friday.

The decision by a three-judge panel of the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis reversed an Arkansas federal judge's ruling and ordered a new hearing in a Benton County man's lawsuit challenging his arrest for refusing to show his identification during a traffic stop.

"It is amazing how many times I have had people convicted for doing the same thing," said Rogers attorney Doug Norwood. "You have to have a reasonable suspicion that the individual person is either committing a crime or about to."

Norwood filed the original lawsuit on behalf of Richard M. Stufflebeam of Lowell.

Stufflebeam was a passenger in his grandson's car in May 2003 when the vehicle was stopped by a state trooper. The driver was not issued a citation during the traffic stop. When Trooper Jeff W. Harris asked the grandfather for identification, he told the officer he did not have to show any ID.

"It was an afterthought," Norwood said. "The officer asked Mr. Stufflebeam for his ID and he said 'no.'"

The trooper "returned to his vehicle and requested backup," the court said.

"When two additional officers arrived, Harris asked Stufflebeam to exit the vehicle," the ruling said, adding that Stufflebeam was handcuffed and placed in the back of the trooper's cruiser. He was taken to jail and charged with obstructing governmental operations.

The prosecutor's office later dismissed the charge in district court and Stufflebeam filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against Harris, alleging the trooper had no probable cause to arrest him.

U.S. District Court Judge Jimm Hendren dismissed the lawsuit, ruling the trooper had qualified immunity as a police officer and that Stufflebeam failed to state a claim. Stufflebeam appealed to the 8th Circuit.

In its ruling Friday, the federal court panel referenced a 2004 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that "an officer may not arrest a suspect for failure to identify himself if the request for identification is not reasonably related to the circumstances justifying the stop."

There was no evidence Stufflebeam was trying to obstruct justice when he refused to identify himself, the appeals court said.

"Thus, the primary question ... is whether Arkansas law permits a police officer to arrest a person for refusing to identify himself when he is not suspected of other criminal activity and his identification is not needed to protect officer safety or to resolve whatever reasonable suspicions prompted the officer to initiate an ongoing traffic stop. We conclude it does not," the court said.

The court also said the state trooper did not have qualified immunity from the lawsuit under state statute.

Qualified immunity protects public officials "from liability for civil damages insofar as their conduct does not violate clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have," the court said, adding that the trooper "acted contrary to the plain meaning" of the state statute.


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#1. To: PSUSA (#0)

The court also said the state trooper did not have qualified immunity from the lawsuit under state statute.

GREAT ruling and good news! I hope he continues forth with his suit and retires on the pig's dime.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-20   7:42:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: PSUSA (#0)

I operate on the assumption that all police and stupid and fascistic, so citizens must continually assert their rights.

I can kill you with my brain or bash you with my shell.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-04-20   7:49:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Artisan (#1)

The problem with this case and all of them like it is that EVERYBODY knows the law but the courts force the citizen to appeal the lower court (on purpose) fucked up decision and until that process is complete the citizen is liable for the lower court sentence/fine.

The District Judge in this case should get 60 days in the pokie for being a dip shit ... which should cost him his "judicial immunity" for abusing his discretion.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)

noone222  posted on  2008-04-20   7:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: noone222 (#3)

yeah from my experience it works the same way in traffic cout. the lower judge gives stupid unlawful decisons and people lose unless they appeal them.

speaking of corrupt judges have you ever read about FDR's freemason buddy supreme court justice HUGO BLACK? Eeek.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-20   7:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: YertleTurtle (#2)

I agree. There aren't too many Peace Officers left anymore. Still a few good ones out there, I've met a few, but how to identify them? You cant do it by the uniform they wear.

------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------

PSUSA  posted on  2008-04-20   8:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Artisan (#4)

Felix Frankfurter was even worse and worked covertly with Roosevelt in determining the latters cabinet ... I found and read the many letters between the two of these scum sucking, constitutional perverts.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)

noone222  posted on  2008-04-20   8:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: YertleTurtle (#2)

i got a ticket a while back and when the cop asked where i was going i decided to take the course Brett Darrow took in his infamous cases, and I asked, 'why?'

lol. pig made me get out and stand on the side of the freeway while they wrote the ticket. In court afterwards, i asked the witness (cop) if he thought there was a law that compelled motorists to disclose their whereabouts and plans to cops when pulled over. he, under oath, and on record, replied YES.(!!)

In other words the cop actually believes that there is a law compelling people to answer whatever asked. and he treats people as if theyre criminals when they break this ''law'', which does not actually exist.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-20   8:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: noone222 (#6)

Is that right? very interesting, . do you remember the felix F quote that aaron russo included in freedom to fascism? it would lead the casual observer to conclude that felix was a good guy.

ill have to find the quote, something about shady business behind the scenes.

thanks for the info

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-20   8:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: noone222 (#6)

“The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes.” -Felix Frankfurter (U.S. Supreme Court Justice)

http://hempsavetheworld.wordpress.com/2008/01/11/freedom-to-fascism-the-most- important-movie-you-may-ever-see/

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-20   8:08:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Artisan (#9)

Roosevelt initially wanted to bring Frankfurter in as the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Frankfurter replied that he could be more beneficial "working in the shadows" and basically made every appointment in Roosevelts "JEW DEAL" wherein he is also quoted as saying "Many of my friends are communists". That's the quote that comes instantly to my pea brain !

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)

noone222  posted on  2008-04-20   9:23:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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