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Title: McCain questions Obama radical ties (or, Why McCain will win)
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URL Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9730.html
Published: Apr 21, 2008
Author: RYAN GRIM & MIKE ALLEN
Post Date: 2008-04-21 07:54:19 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 1245
Comments: 109

McCain questions Obama radical ties

By RYAN GRIM & MIKE ALLEN

| 4/20/08 10:59 AM EST

Updated: 4/20/08 7:13 PM EST Text Size:

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) stoked debate over a ’60s radical’s ties to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday, saying Obama’s defense “borders on the outrageous.”

William Ayers — a former member of the Weather Underground, which embraced bombing in its effort to end the Vietnam War — became an issue in the Democratic nominating race at last week’s debate. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) said Obama’s past meetings with Ayers are part of a “larger set of concerns about how we are going to run against John McCain.” Republican sources said McCain plans to make a major issue of the connection in the months ahead.

Asked by host George Stephanopoulos whether he has any doubt that Obama shares his sense of patriotism, McCain brought the subject up.

“I'm sure he's very patriotic. But his relationship with Mr. Ayers is open to question,” McCain said.

“He became friends with him and spent time with him while the guy was unrepentant over his activities as a member of a terrorist organization, the Weathermen,” McCain said. “Does he condemn them? Would he condemn someone who says they're unrepentant and wished that they had bombed more?”

Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton responded aggressively, calling McCain's salvo "smear politics."

“Unable to sell his out-of-touch ideas on the economy and Iraq, John McCain has stooped to the same smear politics and low road that he denounced in 2000," Burton said. "The American people can’t afford a third term of President Bush’s failed policies and divisive tactics."

David Axelrod, Obama's chief strategist, says in the forthcoming issue of Newsweek that the campaign is planning to expand its research and rapid-response team in part to counteract charges about Ayers.

"He's not going to sit there and sing 'Kumbaya' as the missiles are raining in," Axelrod told the magazine. "I don't think people should mistake civility for a willingness to deal with the challenges to come."

See Also Obama linked to gun control efforts Clinton adviser quits over China rhetoric McCain camp releases bundlers As a defense, Obama said during the debate: “The fact is, is that I'm also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate, who during his campaign once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions. Do I need to apologize for Mr. Coburn's statements? Because I certainly don't agree with those either.”

McCain seized on that, calling Coburn a “great humanitarian” and “in my view, one of greatest spokespersons for the rights of the unborn.”

“To compare him with Dr. Coburn, who spends so much of his life bringing babies into this world, that in my view is really — borders on outrageous,” McCain said.

At the debate, Obama said of Ayers: “This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis. And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense.”

Axelrod told Politico's Ben Smith in February: "Bill Ayers lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school. ... They're certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together."

Information about the pair's connection has been dribbling out over the past few months. Obama first met Ayers in 1995, during Obama's first state Senate campaign, and the two met with a small group of local liberal activists


Poster Comment:

Michelle Obama displays disturbing racism

By Pat Shannan

Just what kind of 60;change61; is Barack Obama offering and just how much influence has his wife, Michelle had over him in their married life the past two decades? It appears that Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see Americans. She sees black people and white people, eternally conflicted with one another.

In her senior thesis at Princeton University, Michelle LaVaughn, the future wife of the Democratic presidential candidate, stated that America was a nation founded on 60;crime and hatred.61; Moreover, she stated that whites in America were 60;ineradicably racist.61;

The 1985 thesis, entitled Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community, was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn. Michelle Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her 60;further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society, never becoming a full participant.61;

Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America, but emphatically elevates black over white in her world. As first lady, would she insist the White House be painted black? That57;s been a standard joke in this venue since the civil rights movement of the 1960s, but this next ominous quote from her thesis suggests that she would in fact urge her husband toward just such an extreme position.

60;There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost.61;

She seems to justify those feelings with what she claims to see on the other side of the issue: 60;Predominantly white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students, comprising the bulk of their enrollments.61;

Michelle added in her thesis that to 60;whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, [I] will always be black first.61; However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, 60;if those 56;whites at Princeton 56; really saw Michelle as one who always would 56;be black first,57; it seems that she gave them that impression.61;

Michelle Obama57;s poll of black alumni concludes that other black former students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common American culture more than they value the color of their skins.

60;I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility,61; she wrote.

Most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire. Only 89 students responded, out of 400 who were asked for input.

The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama57;s thoughts and world view seen through a race-based prism. For a potential first lady, this is a very divisive view that would do untold damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Hussein Obama administration.

During this presidential election year in which the term 60;transparency61; has been frequently bandied about, candidates have buried a number of potentially revealing documents and papers. In Hillary Rodham Clinton57;s case, there57;s been a clamoring for tax records, White House memos and other material the candidate57;s team has chosen to keep from release.

The 96-page, 1985 Princeton thesis, restricted from release by the school57;s Mudd Library, has also been the subject of recent scrutiny. Commentator Jonah Goldberg remarked on National Review Online, 60;A
reader in the know informs me that Michelle Obama57;s thesis is unavailable until Nov. 5, 2008, at the Princeton library. I wonder why.61;

60;Why a restricted thesis?61; asked Pastor Louis Lapides on his website,
Thinking Outside the Blog. 60;Is the concern based on what57;s in the thesis? Will Michelle Obama appear to be too black for white America or not black enough for black America?61;

Will an Obama administration really offer constructive 60;change61; or just an intellectually refined racism?

Pat Shannan is the assistant editor of American Free Press. He has been working in the alternative news business for more than 30 years.

(Issue # 16, April 21, 2008)

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

I suspect McCain is going to win. I just can't see some liberal elitist black guy winning the Presidency.

Turtle  posted on  2008-04-21   8:04:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Turtle (#1)

I agree. He and his racist wife will be rejected by middle America. And since the Obama wave is being propelled by 18-23 year old kids (who traditionally forget to vote), and white quilters, his army is hollow.

McKooK wins because the radical Obama will make him look moderate.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-21   8:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Those who favor Bomb Bomb Bomb McCain must not believe that the three candidates are three peas in a pod.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-21   11:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

McCain is a proven associate and cheerleader of the very WORST TERRORISTS; the entire Bush administration!

Ayers

Fact Check on Clinton Attacks on Obama and Ayers

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-21   12:15:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

McKooK wins because the radical Obama will make him look moderate.

Obama may be more radical on domestic social/economic issues (but not by much, McCain is an open borders type just like Obama and Billary), but nobody is more radical a warmonger than Mad Mac.

It's a lose-lose situation, we get to choose between old-school Marxism at home or neoconservative warmongering abroad. I'm not sure which one will bankrupt America faster, probably the second.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-04-21   12:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: aristeides (#3)

who favors McCain on this forum? not one i can think of. criticism of Obama or belief that he's also a selection of the NWO does not translate into favoring McCain.

christine  posted on  2008-04-21   12:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: aristeides (#3)

Those who favor Bomb Bomb Bomb McCain must not believe that the three candidates are three peas in a pod.

Any support for the three is a vote for more war, as voters have indicated in the primaries. Endless war is acceptable, as long as it gives cover for Israel.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-21   12:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine, Jethro Tull (#6)

McKooK wins because the radical Obama will make him look moderate.

Looks like a comment favoring McCain to me.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-21   12:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#7)

Any support for the three is a vote for more war

And that implies voting for Hillary in a primary is a vote for more war, doesn't it?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-21   12:37:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: aristeides (#8)

Looks like a comment favoring McCain to me.

Yes, Obama is making McCain the favorite to win. He won't sell his racial hatred to middle - white - America (thank god)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-21   12:38:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#7)

"Endless war is acceptable..."

Nonsense...McCain will likely bring the Iraq War to a satisfactory conclusion in his first term.

It's Iran that we have to worry about...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-21   12:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#6)

who favors McCain on this forum? not one i can think of. criticism of Obama or belief that he's also a selection of the NWO does not translate into favoring McCain.

Absolutely right.

It's the BushBot gene. You're with us, or the terriers. You're with Obama, or you are warmongering torturing nazi loving troll shill moron kitten eater.

As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-21   12:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: robin (#4)

"McCain is a proven associate and cheerleader of the very WORST TERRORISTS; the entire Bush administration!"

Bwahahahahaha...rantings of an idiot.

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-21   12:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: aristeides (#9) (Edited)

And that implies voting for Hillary in a primary is a vote for more war, doesn't it?

Your knowledge of political strategy ranges from nil to none.

Voting AGAINST the black Obama is the the white trash way of sending a message. Far leftwing guilters will say that is racist, bigotry, on and on while they wallow in their own self flagellation.

I do not recall any of the Obama supporters voicing any concern about Obamas words of elitism, everyone here lockstepped in that partisan sheep manner that he was right. Thinking as an American is not illegal, yet, but I do understand that it requires the ability for self thinking.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-21   12:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#6)

But following the advice of Rush Limbaugh and his "Operation Chaos" sort of implies that doesn't it?

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-21   12:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Mudboy Slim (#11)

Nonsense...McCain will likely bring the Iraq War to a satisfactory conclusion in his first term.

Likely?????

Mud are you conning us here? We all saw McKooK at the wailing wall.

Likely??? Check his voting in the Senate.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-21   12:47:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Mudboy Slim (#11)

Nonsense...McCain will likely bring the Iraq War to a satisfactory conclusion in his first term.

It's Iran that we have to worry about...MUD

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I heard a fleet of rubber boats were headed our way!/s

As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-21   12:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Mudboy Slim (#11)

McCain will likely bring the Iraq War to a satisfactory conclusion in his first term.

By his own admission, McCain's dream is a 100 year occupation of Iraq. That's his idea of a "conclusion." The whole thing has cost us 3 trillion already - do you really want to spend trillions more?

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-04-21   12:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#18)

By his own admission, McCain's dream is a 100 year occupation of Iraq.

Playing the devil's advocate here, isn't this the intention of the power behind the throne? I think this will happen regardless of who is chosen.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-21   12:54:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#18)

"McCain's dream is a 100 year occupation of Iraq."

Just like South Korea, no more no less...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-21   12:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#18)

The whole thing has cost us 3 trillion already - do you really want to spend trillions more?

Rupert...

All one has to do is view the voting totals from New Hampshire on.

The sheep voters such as we have here, have voted for more war and more debt.

Four thousand dead Americans is meaningless and acceptable to the sheep that are being herded by one man and a dog. The day the draft is instituted these same people will be on their knees whining to God for deliverance.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-21   12:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: robin (#15)

But following the advice of Rush Limbaugh and his "Operation Chaos" sort of implies that doesn't it?

following the advice of limbaugh? who does that? i can't think of one 4um member who does. limbaugh is and always has been excoriated here as are all neocons of republican and democrat persuasion.

christine  posted on  2008-04-21   12:57:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Peppa (#17)

"I heard a fleet of rubber boats were headed our way!/s"

Heh heh heh...seriously, I hope the Iranians don't force our hand. It would be ugly...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-21   12:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: christine (#22)

"...following the advice of limbaugh? who does that? i can't think of one 4um member who does."

Heh heh heh...I'm a Dittohead...does that mean I'm no longer a "4um member"?

LOL...look what the cat drug in...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-21   13:00:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Peppa, Mudboy Slim, robin, Cynicom, Jethro Tull, aristeides, ALL (#12)

who favors McCain on this forum? not one i can think of.

there is one now. Mudboy Slim.

christine  posted on  2008-04-21   13:00:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Mudboy Slim (#23)

It would be ugly...MUD

Yes it would.

As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-21   13:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

"If Democrats can't win in a landslide this year, they should just pack up and go home." -Ralph Nader

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-04-21   13:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#25) (Edited)

LOL...that's not fair, McCain was dead last on my list of preferred GOP Presidential candidates this year!!

And now you wanna label me as some sorta "McCainBOT"?!

That's rich...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-21   13:02:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Mudboy Slim (#20)

Just like south Korea

There's a big difference. The South Koreans wanted the US there. Nobody in Iraq except for a few members of the puppet government wants US occupying troops around. 100 years occupation means 100 years of fighting guerilla warfare. Anybody who tells you otherwise is either naive or telling you lies.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-04-21   13:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: christine (#25)

there is one now. Mudboy Slim.

I did not bother to make a list of McKooK'philes as it seemed that no sane person could do so. Mud has showed traces of insanity. hehehehe

As for the partisan dems here that have come out of hiding, Aristeides and such, their own words in past months have made them transparent. It was amusing to see them trying to be coy, much like third graders, Americans they are not.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-21   13:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Vitamin Z (#27)

"If Democrats can't win in a landslide this year, they should just pack up and go home." -Ralph Nader

Nader is a better choice than Mr & Mrs Oppressed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-21   13:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Mudboy Slim (#28)

your posts on this thread alone is proof. you are a McKooKer.

christine  posted on  2008-04-21   13:07:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#18)

"...do you really want to spend trillions more?"

You really think anybodies going to ask us?

pick one, don't pick one, the guys running things aren't on the ballot.

castletrash  posted on  2008-04-21   13:08:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#29)

We can eventually handle what we need to handle from Kuwait.

Iraq needn't be a permanent military base...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-21   13:08:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: christine (#32)

your posts on this thread alone is proof. you are a McKooKer.

Muhahahahahahahahahaha

Mud has been outed as a McKooKer.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-21   13:08:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#22)

I won't name names, but he admitted he is doing so, though not for the same reasons (he claims) ;P And one other I believe, but I don't remember who.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-21   13:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: christine (#32)

Whatever...I've been called worse.

Sounds to me like you've got an early case of McCainDerangementSyndrome...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-21   13:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, christine (#35)

"Mud has been outed as a McKooKer."

Salem Witch Trials ain't got nuthin' on US...LOL!!

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-21   13:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Cynicom (#35)

-MUD- was for George Allen until he called a stalking macca a macca. Now if Allen were black, he'd be given extra credit for calling a guilter a cracker. That darn double standard, it just keeps popping up over and over.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-21   13:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Rupert_Pupkin, Mudboy Slim (#29)

mud is askert of the islamofascist terriers.

christine  posted on  2008-04-21   13:12:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull, christine, ..., Minerva, buckeye (#39)

George Allen will be Virginia's next Governor, then he will be a player in 2016 Presidential politics.

You heard it here first...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-21   13:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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