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Title: McCain questions Obama radical ties (or, Why McCain will win)
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URL Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9730.html
Published: Apr 21, 2008
Author: RYAN GRIM & MIKE ALLEN
Post Date: 2008-04-21 07:54:19 by Jethro Tull
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McCain questions Obama radical ties By RYAN GRIM & MIKE ALLEN | 4/20/08 10:59 AM EST Updated: 4/20/08 7:13 PM EST Text Size: Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) stoked debate over a ’60s radical’s ties to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday, saying Obama’s defense “borders on the outrageous.” William Ayers — a former member of the Weather Underground, which embraced bombing in its effort to end the Vietnam War — became an issue in the Democratic nominating race at last week’s debate. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) said Obama’s past meetings with Ayers are part of a “larger set of concerns about how we are going to run against John McCain.” Republican sources said McCain plans to make a major issue of the connection in the months ahead. Asked by host George Stephanopoulos whether he has any doubt that Obama shares his sense of patriotism, McCain brought the subject up. “I'm sure he's very patriotic. But his relationship with Mr. Ayers is open to question,” McCain said. “He became friends with him and spent time with him while the guy was unrepentant over his activities as a member of a terrorist organization, the Weathermen,” McCain said. “Does he condemn them? Would he condemn someone who says they're unrepentant and wished that they had bombed more?” Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton responded aggressively, calling McCain's salvo "smear politics." “Unable to sell his out-of-touch ideas on the economy and Iraq, John McCain has stooped to the same smear politics and low road that he denounced in 2000," Burton said. "The American people can’t afford a third term of President Bush’s failed policies and divisive tactics." David Axelrod, Obama's chief strategist, says in the forthcoming issue of Newsweek that the campaign is planning to expand its research and rapid-response team in part to counteract charges about Ayers. "He's not going to sit there and sing 'Kumbaya' as the missiles are raining in," Axelrod told the magazine. "I don't think people should mistake civility for a willingness to deal with the challenges to come." See Also Obama linked to gun control efforts Clinton adviser quits over China rhetoric McCain camp releases bundlers As a defense, Obama said during the debate: “The fact is, is that I'm also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate, who during his campaign once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions. Do I need to apologize for Mr. Coburn's statements? Because I certainly don't agree with those either.” McCain seized on that, calling Coburn a “great humanitarian” and “in my view, one of greatest spokespersons for the rights of the unborn.” “To compare him with Dr. Coburn, who spends so much of his life bringing babies into this world, that in my view is really — borders on outrageous,” McCain said. At the debate, Obama said of Ayers: “This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis. And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense.” Axelrod told Politico's Ben Smith in February: "Bill Ayers lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school. ... They're certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together." Information about the pair's connection has been dribbling out over the past few months. Obama first met Ayers in 1995, during Obama's first state Senate campaign, and the two met with a small group of local liberal activists
Poster Comment: Michelle Obama displays disturbing racism By Pat Shannan Just what kind of 60;change61; is Barack Obama offering and just how much influence has his wife, Michelle had over him in their married life the past two decades? It appears that Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see Americans. She sees black people and white people, eternally conflicted with one another. (Issue # 16, April 21, 2008)
In her senior thesis at Princeton University, Michelle LaVaughn, the future wife of the Democratic presidential candidate, stated that America was a nation founded on 60;crime and hatred.61; Moreover, she stated that whites in America were 60;ineradicably racist.61;
The 1985 thesis, entitled Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community, was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn. Michelle Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her 60;further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society, never becoming a full participant.61;
Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America, but emphatically elevates black over white in her world. As first lady, would she insist the White House be painted black? That57;s been a standard joke in this venue since the civil rights movement of the 1960s, but this next ominous quote from her thesis suggests that she would in fact urge her husband toward just such an extreme position.
60;There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost.61;
She seems to justify those feelings with what she claims to see on the other side of the issue: 60;Predominantly white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students, comprising the bulk of their enrollments.61;
Michelle added in her thesis that to 60;whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, [I] will always be black first.61; However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, 60;if those 56;whites at Princeton 56; really saw Michelle as one who always would 56;be black first,57; it seems that she gave them that impression.61;
Michelle Obama57;s poll of black alumni concludes that other black former students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common American culture more than they value the color of their skins.
60;I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility,61; she wrote.
Most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire. Only 89 students responded, out of 400 who were asked for input.
The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama57;s thoughts and world view seen through a race-based prism. For a potential first lady, this is a very divisive view that would do untold damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Hussein Obama administration.
During this presidential election year in which the term 60;transparency61; has been frequently bandied about, candidates have buried a number of potentially revealing documents and papers. In Hillary Rodham Clinton57;s case, there57;s been a clamoring for tax records, White House memos and other material the candidate57;s team has chosen to keep from release.
The 96-page, 1985 Princeton thesis, restricted from release by the school57;s Mudd Library, has also been the subject of recent scrutiny. Commentator Jonah Goldberg remarked on National Review Online, 60;A
reader in the know informs me that Michelle Obama57;s thesis is unavailable until Nov. 5, 2008, at the Princeton library. I wonder why.61;
60;Why a restricted thesis?61; asked Pastor Louis Lapides on his website,
Thinking Outside the Blog. 60;Is the concern based on what57;s in the thesis? Will Michelle Obama appear to be too black for white America or not black enough for black America?61;
Will an Obama administration really offer constructive 60;change61; or just an intellectually refined racism?
Pat Shannan is the assistant editor of American Free Press. He has been working in the alternative news business for more than 30 years.
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#69. To: Mudboy Slim (#49)
Webb may well not be elected to a second term in the Senate, if he becomes Obama's running mate and is elected VP in the meantime.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Kind of like you Rush Limbaugh types going into hysterics over Clinton? I couldn't stand Clinton either, but he was in no way worse than McCain either at home or abroad. Fact is, they have a lot more in common than they have different. As long as you're locked into the "Republicans are all good guys" way of thinking, I guess it can't be helped.
LOL...Obama/Webb '08!! Bring it on...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Do you?
That sounds like a winning combo to me, MudBot.
I loathe RINOs more than RATS, Rupert...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, His heiress wife told him to. Anheuser Busch wanted contracts in Vietnam.
TLP likes Webb, too...y'all are all nuts...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Excellent. won't be donating any cash this year to the Presidential election this year Never again for me. But hopefully I can help the GOP retain one of their Senate seats Well, I'm not affiliated, and have no plans to be. If a person comes along that is committed to things I support, then great. Otherwise, they are committed to their own power, and I'm not interested in helping them at our expense.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
Do you? I thought it was to defeat fascism. (Which meant, among other things, replacing the Third Reich with the equivalent of the Weimar Republic.) But, if you have a better explanation, why don't you enlighten me?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
That may be all he gets, he shows none of the usual signs of the selected ones. He's a great populist, i love him, he's not going anywhere.
I find parallels and interesting simularities to the two. As usual, you assume and are wrong.
Indeed it was...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I detect a bias...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I think that there's more LBJ than JFK in BHO. Think "Great Society" and other huge wastes of money.
he will probably leave office in the same manner, not that I am advocating it.
Indeed it was...MUD So I take it you agree with me that the Weimar Republic was infinitely preferable to the Third Reich. There are those on this forum who believe the Weimar Republic was as bad as the Third Reich, or even worse. At least that's what they say in their postings.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
i don't know!
You're mixing political reality with reality. They're very different. Your Obama case is strong, but totally lost on folks who will see Ayers, his nutty pastor, African theology (it's a front for radical politics) and his uppity wife as the scum they are. He'll loses to McKooK because he is 45 and black. Geraldine Ferrara nailed it a while back but nobody seems to have heard her.
Now your history is sadly lacking. Is there some reason you have an obsession with Hitler/Germany? You never mention Hitlers olde partner in war, Uncle Joe. Why is that?
I take long naps and miss stuff did Hillery give up?
Many wrong things, I have discovered...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, ...many wrong things, I have discovered...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, No, but I don't think she can mathematically win. So, by staying in the race, she is damaging the socialist wing of the National party which is a delightful thing to witness.
Obummer now says he is not likely to win Pa. "Barack Obama said Monday he doesn’t think he’ll beat Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania on Tuesday, but she might not get the win she needs". The Obam'piles have more confidence than Obummer. His elitism may well be his undoing.
Because Stalin has nothing to do with the relative merits of the Weimar Republic and the Third Reich. The Nazis claimed they were saving Germany from evil Bolshevism. Only Nazis and crypto-Nazis still believe that that justifies the evil that they did, even if it were true. But no historian believes any longer that the Communists had any realistic chance of taking power in the Weimar Republic. That even includes quite conservative historians, like Paul Johnson and Ernst Nolte.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
And who was it that trained the German army after WW1???? And who was it that started WW2 with Hitler?????
If it's an 11 point victory like Drudge is reporting, the Beast pulls off a big one.
You forget I had a point in asking RickyJ, who was saying it was never right to vote for the lesser evil, whether it would have been wrong even to vote for Kerensky against Lenin, or for the German democrats against Hitler. I didn't expect him to deny that the Weimar Republic was better than the Third Reich, or for you to chime in in agreement. I also didn't expect neither of you to answer my further question about Kerensky and Lenin. Far from being an obsession, my question had a purpose, and that purpose was fulfilled when it led both of you to the absurd assertion that the Weimar Republic was as bad as the Third Reich, or worse. Your assertion made it clear how absurd it is to say that it is always wrong to vote for the lesser evil.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
And who was it that started WW2 with Hitler????? Certainly Stalin and the Soviet Union were involved in both those things. But neither of them means that it was anything other than a catastrophe for the Third Reich to have replaced the Weimar Republic. And neither of them means that voting against Hitler would have been anything other than right and proper.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
the clintons should be very entertaining, sex scandals, death lists, impeachment attempts etc etc. Don't you remember the good times?
But, if you have a better explanation, why don't you enlighten me? I don't know for sure either, but seeing how the military industrial complex has impacted the economy and seeing how the Iraqi war with countless maimed beyond repair, 1 million+ dead, 2 million+ displaced, infrastructure in Iraq decimated and trillions of American inheritance spent under the guise of "defeating terrorism", I have my doubts about the reasons we fought in WWII.
sex scandals, death lists, impeachment attempts etc etc. Don't you remember the good times?" You forgot Chi-Com Treason...THAT's the real reason Slick Willie oughtta live his dying day in a Federal Prison!! Chi-Com Treason...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Except that you showed up with a willingness to support Ron Paul. That's good. People do change their minds. It seems you have, at least a little.
Possibly started by Nixon, continued by Bush senior (read the Cox report), and continuing today with continued porous security at the labs. This is another bipartisan corruption.
I've always liked Ron Paul. I don't think his foreign policy proposals are realistic, but he's headed in the right direction vis a vis domestic policy...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Well, the Chi-Com Treason I'm referring to including $Millions in ILLEGAL campaign donations to Slick Willie and the DNC. For what? Loral Corp. and Bernie Schwartz know for what!! Bill Clinton's "Chi-Com Treason"...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, The first "national interest" determination under the Foreign Relations Authorization Act was made by President Bush on April 30, 1991. This "national interest" determination, or "waiver," covered the Freja satellite that was to be built for Sweden. It also included a reissuance of the waiver for the Hughes-built Aussat satellites that had been identified in the December 19, 1989 "national interest" determination. — Chapter 9. These May 1991 sanctions were lifted by President Bush on March 23, 1992, after the PRC agreed to adhere to the initial MTCR 1987 Guidelines and Annex.182 But MTCR Category II (dual use) sanctions were again imposed on entities in the PRC and Pakistan on August 24, 1993, as a result of the PRC's sale of M-11 missile-related equipment to Pakistan. — Chapter 9. President Bush pocket-vetoed the Omnibus Export Amendments Act of 1990 (H.R. 4653) — Chapter 9. That's what I could find in just a few minutes. Open your mind, Mud. The Republicans are just as treasonous as the Democrats.
This sounds like Hasbara to me.
McPain will probably become prez if he lives to January, but he won't "win" anything. This is the ultimate "booby prize" at this point. All he can do (and he may) is launch the nukes and destroy civilization.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
One and the same, all serving the same masters.
Webb's a one-term weiner
#70. To: Mudboy Slim (#37)
(Edited)
Sounds to me like you've got an early case of McCainDerangementSyndrome...MUD
#71. To: aristeides (#69)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#72. To: aristeides (#67)
They have no idea why we fought the Second World War.
#73. To: Mudboy Slim (#71)
LOL...Obama/Webb '08!!
#74. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#70)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#75. To: castletrash (#68)
not to mention his hugging and kissing vietnam in the backseat.
#76. To: Fred Mertz, The Leadpenny (#73)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#77. To: Mudboy Slim (#66)
Gilmore was also a leader in stopping attempts to implement federal internet taxes
#78. To: angle (#72)
They have no idea why we fought the Second World War.
#79. To: aristeides (#69)
(Edited)
Webb may well not be elected to a second term
#80. To: Mudboy Slim (#53)
Obama for president 2008
#81. To: aristeides (#78)
"...it was to defeat fascism."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#82. To: Ferret Mike (#80)
"As usual, you assume and are wrong."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#83. To: Ferret Mike (#80)
#84. To: Ferret Mike (#80)
find parallels and interesting simularities to the two
#85. To: Mudboy Slim, RickyJ, Cynicom (#81)
"...it was to defeat fascism."
#86. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#60)
What happened to mudfish or longnose sardine
#87. To: ... (#51)
Reading the article, it appears the real allegation is that Obama is civil to his neighbors, and not much more.
#88. To: aristeides (#85)
So I take it you agree with me that the Weimar Republic was infinitely preferable to the Third Reich.
#89. To: Jethro Tull (#87)
He'll loses to McKooK because he is 45 and black.
#90. To: aristeides, christine, Minerva, ..., buckeye, Jethro Tull (#85)
"There are those on this forum who believe..."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#91. To: aristeides, christine, Minerva, ..., buckeye, Jethro Tull (#85)
"There are those on this forum who believe..."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#92. To: castletrash (#89)
#93. To: Jethro Tull (#92)
#94. To: Cynicom (#88)
You never mention Hitlers olde partner in war, Uncle Joe. Why is that?
#95. To: aristeides (#94)
#96. To: Cynicom (#93)
#97. To: Cynicom, RickyJ (#88)
Is there some reason you have an obsession with Hitler/Germany?
#98. To: Cynicom (#95)
And who was it that trained the German army after WW1????
#99. To: Jethro Tull (#96)
the Beast pulls off a big one.
#100. To: aristeides (#78)
to defeat fascism.
#101. To: castletrash (#99)
"...the clintons should be very entertaining,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#102. To: Mudboy Slim (#91)
...many wrong things, I have discovered...MUD
#103. To: Mudboy Slim (#101)
You forgot Chi-Com Treason...
#104. To: buckeye (#102)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#105. To: buckeye (#103)
"This is another bipartisan corruption."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#106. To: Mudboy Slim (#105)
With the fall of the Berlin Wall and the changes in the Eastern European governments in 1989, President Bush approved in May 1990 a U.S. proposal to COCOM for a significant reduction in the COCOM controls and for the development of a new "core list" of strategic items to replace the existing Industrial List. In June 1990, COCOM agreed with most of the elements in the U.S. proposal, and COCOM eliminated 30 items in the Industrial List while partially decontrolling 12 additional items. COCOM also agreed to a reduced "core list" of dual-use items that would be controlled for national security purposes to proscribed countries. — Chapter 9.
#107. To: Mudboy Slim (#104)
I've always liked Ron Paul. I don't think his foreign policy proposals are realistic, but he's headed in the right direction vis a vis domestic policy...MUD
#108. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#109. To: buckeye (#106)
The Republicans are just as treasonous as the Democrats.
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