Title: Canceled: Obama backs out of North Carolina Source:
[None] URL Source:http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/ ... -out-of-north-carolina-debate/ Published:Apr 21, 2008 Author:Canceled: Obama backs out of North Carol Post Date:2008-04-21 18:43:28 by Peppa Keywords:Obama, crybaby Views:294 Comments:35
The official explanation: “time constraints and logistical issues.” The unofficial explanation: Team Barry didn’t want to give her a reason to stay in the race if she flames out tomorrow, which makes zero sense. If Indiana and North Carolina aren’t enough to make her soldier on to May 6th, the prospect of another debate won’t either.
The real/obvious explanation: He can’t afford another beating. Your quote of the day, from the same hypocrites who knocked ABC for not giving them a chance to hear the two sound off on “substantive” issues: “No more debates!” I wonder, are the creme de la nutroots creme who signed this letter also cool with this last debate being canceled? How else are we going to reclaim the opportunity denied us by ABC to learn about their policy proposals, aside from visiting their websites or googling the transcripts of their previous 21 debates? And before you ask, yes, Katie is heartbroken.
Update: Michael Moore says he’s not so much pro-Obama as pro-Obamites. The more they whine, the more the precise opposite is true for me.
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:'( Waaaaaaaaaah... Hot links at orig link... I think this need some additional confirmation.
Why in the world would that say this 24 hrs before the Primary?? Man, that's a loser strat.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
Seriously, I think this needs additional confirmation.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
1) if this was a dupe post, I apologize.. I didn't see it.
2) Obummer can't take the heat. He is out of his league when debating Hillary or McCain.
I agree, but..........we can't forget the media's 'hand' in all of this. They can set you up AND take you out! I'm enjoying it between these two, believe me.. One of the most annoying unknowns it seems, is the HUGE number of younger voters engaged in the 'process' that has made it more difficult to pull off charade. Remember during the GOP 'debates'... the softball ?'s asked of the frontrunners, the face time, the answer time etc???? When RP didn't stand up for himself, he was weak.. if he had of, would he have been a whiner?? So... to me... the media 'hand' is on display here.. and maybe Obama sees this now that the wind switched directions a bit. Could've been the 'bitter' comments or Clinton pressure but it certainly WASN'T journalists gone wild.
I'm not making excuses, for anyone.. I'm just suggesting that we recognize the SHOW for what it is.
What a statesman does, is IGNORE THE QUESTION and SPEAK DIRECT TO THE PEOPLE. Use every nit of time to bypass the machine.. JMHO...
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
He's like a baseball team that builds up such a big lead that it backs into the pennant, only to lose the World Series.
Good analogy!
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
I agree, but..........we can't forget the media's 'hand' in all of this. They can set you up AND take you out!
I'm not making excuses, for anyone.. I'm just suggesting that we recognize the SHOW for what it is.
Oh, absolutely. That's my point: Somehow the Clinton Machine got their old buddy George S to moderate the debate and pound Obummer for an hour straight. Set up like a bowling pin...
old buddy George S to moderate the debate and pound Obummer for an hour straight. Set up like a bowling pin...
Smack! Out of the ballpark on that one!! First hour was pretty brutal from any of the dem debates I've watched.
Bowling pin!!
So funny today some political guy characterized the PA primary as: Booze, Bullets and Bowling!!! Hillary pulled off the 'girl from Scranton' act, and Obama, could not connect. Another said, they thought that there would be a 'polka-dot' effect in PA......? They mentioned that many city types had moved in and kept their same voting habits, and as such, the old reliable cities, might be overcome by the 'newbergs'? Weird comment.. maybe some PA people can clue us in.
The consensus was that PA was WAY more important than OH in the general election, because OH was a 'swing' state... and that PA was a MUST HAVE state to have any chance to win.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
The cancellation comes as a disappointment for CBS, which had offered the candidates prime air time after the newsmagazine “60 Minutes” for the debate. Katie Couric, the host of the “CBS Evening News,” would have moderated the debate.
The cancellation was due to political considerations by both candidates, according to Paul Friedman, a senior vice president at CBS News. Mr. Obama showed interest in an April 19 debate in North Carolina, which would have presented viewers with a second debate before the Pennsylvania primary. Mrs. Clinton’s campaign expressed concern that April 19 was the first day of Passover, and the organizers went back to the drawing board to propose alternative dates. Mrs. Clinton’s campaign subsequently agreed to the April 27 date, but Mr. Obama’s did not.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
The N.C. Democratic Party has stopped trying to organize a debate between presidential contenders Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
In a news release Monday, the party cited "time constraints and logistical issues associated with such a large, national event."
"While there was great interest in the debate, there were also growing concerns about what another debate would do to party unity," the news release said. "Both campaigns have offered North Carolinians additional opportunities to be seen and heard across the state in the coming weeks and months."
North Carolina's primary is set for May 6.
The party and the CBS network had proposed a debate for April 27 at Raleigh's RBC Center. Clinton had agreed to the event. Obama had not. Obama had proposed a debate for April 19, but party officials ruled out that date, citing the start of Passover.
Democrats and media critics gave poor reviews to the ABC-sponsored debate Wednesday in Philadelphia, where the candidates -- particularly Obama -- faced questions about their associates and their character rather than about policy.
Some Obama supporters chanted "No more debates!" at a Raleigh event Thursday.
Thousands had already requested tickets for the proposed Raleigh debate through the Democratic Party's Web site. Democratic chairman Jerry Meek said last week that a debate could help the party raise as much as $300,000 through individual sponsorships of pre- and post-debate receptions.
The party had publicly lobbied Obama to accept the April 27 date, organizing a letter-writing campaign with Gov. Mike Easley, former Gov. Jim Hunt and state legislative leaders.
On Monday, the party did not blame Obama for causing the cancellation. The Clinton campaign did.
"It is unfortunate that Senator Obama has chosen to brush off the people of North Carolina by flatly refusing to debate," Clinton's N.C. director Ace Smith said in a statement. "But we are willing to move forward with another time and location for the debate so that he has no excuse for not participating."
Obama spokesman Dan Leistikow said N.C. voters will have "many more opportunities" to hear Obama and ask him questions over the next two weeks. He blamed the Clinton campaign for not responding sooner to its April 19 proposal.
"Their attacks indicate they are really not looking for a debate but any forum to continue their negative, throw-the-kitchen-sink campaign," he said.
Clinton and Obama are each scheduled to appear at the party's Jefferson-Jackson Dinner on Friday, May 2 in Raleigh.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
It looks that way. Still a Clinton/Obama ticket may draw the young to the trough of 'what might be' koolaide.
Michelle Obama will not be happy with 2nd place 2nd. I can't see her running around writing childrens books and being happy with that. She'll be zipped. And that's NOT her style. After watching a number of her speeches, she's a bit of a boiling cauldron. She WANTS America to unquestionably embrace 'it's my turn' thinking.... and the reason given, is, because it's time. Not, my husband has a better vision, plan.. not that we can help you.. but that you believe it's time for 'something' else.
We have lived with 'something' that we did not vote FOR. I'm not too sure WE are ready for that which promises nothing more than a palette change.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
The cancellation comes as a disappointment for CBS, which had offered the candidates prime air time after the newsmagazine “60 Minutes” for the debate. Katie Couric, the host of the “CBS Evening News,” would have moderated the debate.
The cancellation was due to political considerations by both candidates, according to Paul Friedman, a senior vice president at CBS News. Mr. Obama showed interest in an April 19 debate in North Carolina, which would have presented viewers with a second debate before the Pennsylvania primary. Mrs. Clinton’s campaign expressed concern that April 19 was the first day of Passover, and the organizers went back to the drawing board to propose alternative dates. Mrs. Clinton’s campaign subsequently agreed to the April 27 date, but Mr. Obama’s did not.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Five or more point win for Clinton and Obama will be trying to hitch a ride on her bandwagon.
Popcorn time!
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
No. He's winning. He should win NC by over 10%. He does not need to debate in NC or give Hillary free air time.
The April 19 Obama offer would have taken Hillary out of PA just before that primary.
It's just political moves by both sides.
It's a twister It's a twister!
It's interesting to watch the poll numbers, the acrobatics, and we all know, we are losers no matter who comes out ahead.
Amazing.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
I remember when Obama, Clinton and Edwards refused to debate on Fox, though it was sponsored by the Black Caucus.
To me, none should turn down any occassion for airtime. When Ron Paul was denied, there was at least an effort to help him get his message out. Apparently, there is no such concern or dedication, by these two or their advisors. They LOVE to say they will be the President for ALL Americans.. but in fact, they really don't care because they don't have to.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
He's ahead and he's looking not to get knocked out in the late rounds. Might backfire.
Could help turn out the young vote. Some guy said today, that Hillary has a 'sweet spot' in that most PA voters are women. Oh the machines will be worn down with the calc's and recalcs tonight wont they? Loading in the prevote numbers...
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
Whoever wins, if only by one vote... they will say they CLOSED THE DEAL with the PA's. urp.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
Michelle Obama will not be happy with 2nd place 2nd. Better than nuttin.
True. Hard to see her wait for 8.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
They are reporting that a couple of voting machines have broken down in primarily African American precints.......
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44