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Title: Should Christians Obey the Antichrist?
Source: The Fountain of Truth
URL Source: http://www.geocities.com/fountoftruth/scota.html
Published: Apr 22, 2008
Author: Doug Newman
Post Date: 2008-04-22 00:43:46 by snoopdougg
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Views: 1344
Comments: 11

Even when he was at the height of his glory and fame and at the depth of his depravity, Elvis Presley was uneasy with being called the “King of Rock and Roll.” One more than one occasion, Elvis made the point that Jesus was the only King.

If only all Christians were as sound as Elvis in their understanding about Who their King really is.

I had never heard of Pastor Mark Jeske of Milwaukee until the other day. However, some clips from a sermon he preached – captured on YouTube – epitomize the very dangerous direction in which so many pastors are leading their flocks nowadays. He preaches what the maker of the video calls “The New American Theology of Civil Submission.” This is the big fat lie that Christians should just go ahead and do whatever their earthly government tells them to do.

Jeske states that we are "free to give up our freedom" to earthly authorities.  He plays fast and loose with Scripture, telling us that I Corinthians 9:19 means we should enslave ourselves to earthly rulers. Never mind that I Corinthians 7:23 tells us not to be slaves of men. The context of I Corinthians 9:20 tells us what every good salesman knows: to sell your product successfully, you need to mirror the personality of your audience. Indeed, if you look at the KJV, you will see the word “servant” substituted for “slave.”

Jeske also wants us to think that I Peter 2:17 – “honor the king” – is an injunction to blindly obey your secular government. No it is not!

This is America. The last time I checked, we don’t have a king. More on this in a minute. As Christians, our King is Jesus Christ. His Kingdom is not of this earth – John 18:36. Moreover, our primary citizenship is in Heaven – Philippians 3:20.

In America, our supreme law does not come from the president, the House, the Senate or the courts. Rather, the supreme law of our land is the Constitution. The powers it delegates to the federal government are, in Madison’s words, “few and defined”. The ultimate power rests in “we the people.” When Uncle Sam oversteps his boundaries, it is he who is in rebellion and he who has dishonored authority. “We the people” rebel when we to not act to restrain governmental overreach.

Hence, it is a monumental lie that Romans 13 commands Christians -- especially American Christians -- to blindly obey every edict of their earthly government.

Unlimited submission to earthly authority violates the First and Second Commandments – Exodus 20:3-5.

“You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them…”

Scripture is full of examples of God’s people dissing earthly authorities because their allegiance was to a Higher Authority. See Daniel 3, Daniel 6, Acts 4:19 and Acts 5:29. Paul was a chronic jailbird, writing four of his Epistles while in the joint. The prophet John wrote Revelation while in exile. Jesus was crucified for treason for claiming to be God and, thus, a counterforce to Caesar.

In addition to numerous biblical examples of civil disobedience, there are many examples throughout history of Christians saying “we don’t think so” to earthly rulers. For its first few centuries, Christianity was an outlaw religion. America’s Founders, many of whom were Christians, were, among other things, smugglers, tax resisters and militia members who engaged in armed shootouts with the king’s troops. Many Christians violated the Slave Laws in the 1850s and Jim Crow laws in the 1950s. The Confessing Church in Germany consisted of those Christians who opposed Hitler. Numerous Christians have resisted various communist regimes around the world. Today, Christians around the world defy their governments in order to practice their faith. Indeed, the largest Christian population in the world is in Red China and most of those are in the underground church.

Sermons such as Jeske’s are a symptom of what I call the Big Ramp-Up to the End Times. To grossly oversimplify, it is a five-step process.

  1. In the early 1980s, the churches were turned into partisan – i.e. Republican – political tools. Some folks say that GOP means “God’s official party.” I sure hope they are being facetious.
  2. Since 2000, there has been a huge effort to promote the image of GWB as this Great Christian Man. This evangelical adoration of him is totally unmerited. They have set up a king without God’s consent – Hosea 8:4.
  3. America’s most fervent supporters of unprovoked war and the wholesale slaughter of innocents can be found in evangelical megachurches.
  4. Now, more and more pastors like Mark Jeske are promoting the big lie that Christians should just go ahead and do whatever their government tells them to do. Watch this video on “clergy response teams.”
  5. I predict that large numbers of Christians will be deceived by the Antichrist, who will be both a spiritual and political figure. For years, many churches have been softening their brains and dumbing them down in preparation for this.

Many dictators and emperors have deified themselves. However, the Antichrist will far outdo them in his blasphemous ways. Consider Revelation 13:7-8:

“He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast -- all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.”

Now consider Revelation 13:14-15:

“Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.”

Do the Mark Jeskes of the world want Christians to nonchalantly surrender their liberty to this earthly ruler?

Pastors who preach unthinking submission to earthly government are merely latter day versions of the chief priests in John 19:15. When Pilate asked “shall I crucify your king?” they responded “We have no king but Caesar.”

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#1. To: REDPANTHER (#0)

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-04-22   1:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: snoopdougg (#0)

"...that Christians should just go ahead and do whatever their earthly government tells them to do."

snoopdougg:

Pastor Mark Jeskes preaches that Christians must obey their earthly government. Scripture teaches that the Beast of the Revelation will be a man who leads an earthly government. In fact, it is that man who "...causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save him that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." (Rev. 13: 16-17).

What happens, therefore, to anyone who follows Jeskes' instructions? "...If any man worshipeth the beast and his image, and receiveth his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receiveth the mark of his name." (Rev. 14:9-11)

This issue has nothing to do with Christians surrendering their liberty to an earthly ruler; but rather, with Christians rejecting God in favor of the great deceiver, Satan, at the instruction of one of the Devil's demons: Jeskes.

Jeskes has zero Biblical support for his position against God. In fact, the appropriate answer to Jeskes can be found in both the Old and the New Covenants:

Joshua 24:15 And if it seemeth evil to you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Ac 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Jeskes is a liar and the son of the greatest liar of all time: Satan. Any Christian who follows his preaching on this matter deserves to "be tormented with fire and brimstone."

Amen?

RO

ReallyOrnery  posted on  2008-04-22   2:07:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: snoopdougg (#0)

All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast -- all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.”

Those whose name "IS" written in the Book of Life won't be able to take the mark, or worship the beast.

Now good Christians pay particular attention to the following:

The following document, written and signed by the New Jewish Congress, The Sanhedrin, and The Holy Temple and Temple Mount Movements is to be presented to President George W. Bush upon his arrival in the land of Israel on the second day of the Hebrew month of Shvat 5768, (January 9, 2008).

This historic document, known as "Megillat Bush - The Bush Scroll" states unequivocally the stand of the Jewish nation concerning the indivisible integrity of the Land of Israel, a stand which has remained unchanged throughout four thousand years of history and two thousand years of exile.

The document above is an oxymoron if you still maintain mainstream Christian beliefs. No pastor on planet earth can reconcile this designation of George W. Bush as "GOG" with the standard Christian (lie) teaching that Jews are God's "chosen" people. GOG is plainly the enemy of both God and TRUE ISRAEL, which has nothing at all to do with "The STATE of ISRAEL" and their current occupants that are IMPOSTERS (DECEIVERS).

The Sanhedrin are a serious group of thugs whose history includes having arranged the murder of Christ. Now they are at it again, only this time it's the BODY of CHRIST that's in their sights. [John 8:44 Murderers from the beginning and the Father of lies].

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)

noone222  posted on  2008-04-22   2:39:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3)

Would you even buy a used car from this greasy, bottom feeding scumbag ?

Rav Steinsaltz, (nasi) President of the Sanhedrin

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)

noone222  posted on  2008-04-22   2:42:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: IconoClast (#0)

if you're into christianity, then this is a very excellent thread.

Lots of christian people are 100% against Bush.

Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-04-22   14:07:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: ReallyOrnery (#2)

thanks for the bible quotes.

Also, I'm not 100% sure of the details, but I believe the jewish prophet Jeremiah may have engineered a rebellion against human authorities over him. He said that they were not following 'the law', etc.

Romans 13 can be carried too far. To just blindly follow what for example Hitler tells you to do, I can't condone that.

Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-04-22   14:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: ReallyOrnery (#2)

Pastor Mark Jeskes preaches that Christians must obey their earthly government. Scripture teaches that the Beast of the Revelation will be a man who leads an earthly government.

Pastor Mark Jeskes is an idiot. Did Peter obey his earthly government and stop spreading Christianity? Did the early Christians obey? Did the Russian Christians under the Soviet Union obey? Are the Chinese Christians today obeying?

Begone slave, and take your slave master Pastor Mark Jeskes with you.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-04-22   14:19:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: All (#7)

Pastor Mark Jeskes is an idiot. Did Peter obey his earthly government and stop spreading Christianity? Did the early Christians obey? Did the Russian Christians under the Soviet Union obey? Are the Chinese Christians today obeying?

Begone slave, and take your slave master Pastor Mark Jeskes with you.

That wasn't directed towards you by the way. Sorry if it appeared that way. It was just a general statement for anyone that falls for his crap.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-04-22   14:22:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: noone222 (#4)

Would you even buy a used car from this greasy, bottom feeding scumbag ?

Rav Steinsaltz, (nasi) President of the Sanhedrin

In my book, he's a member of an ancient and famous murderer's club. To say he looks like the spawn of satan is an understatement.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-04-22   14:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: ReallyOrnery (#2)

Pastor Mark Jeskes preaches that Christians must obey their earthly government. Scripture teaches that the Beast of the Revelation will be a man who leads an earthly government. Jeskes is a liar and the son of the greatest liar of all time: Satan

I say AMEN and screw Jeskes! The Bible also implies...states...that the antichrist(s) will be an apostate (new word for the young people here..look it up) Christian.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-04-22   14:38:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: snoopdougg (#0)

Should Christians Obey the Antichrist?

If Bush wasn't the AntiChrist, I'm glad I'm 72.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-22   18:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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