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Title: News Flash: Hillary leads in popular vote so far
Source: realclearpolitics
URL Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep ... ent/democratic_vote_count.html
Published: Apr 23, 2008
Author: realclearpolitics
Post Date: 2008-04-23 23:52:30 by RickyJ
Keywords: None
Views: 151
Comments: 8

2008 Democratic Popular Vote

State	Date		Obama		Clinton					Spread
Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)**			14,993,348	47.4%	15,116,076	47.8%				Clinton +122,728	+0.4%

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#2. To: RickyJ (#0)

News Flash: Hillary leads in popular vote so far

How can this be?

By invoking nonsense.

You must count FL where there was no campaign because the state was violating the rules and was told by the Dem party that no delegates would be recognized. The GOP vote total exceeded that of the Dems, in stark contrast to the other, real primary contests.

You must count MI where Obama and Edwards were not on the ballot.

For the most part in Michigan, Democrats stayed home, knowing no delegates were at stake. The GOP vote more than doubled the Dem vote total, in stark contrast to the other, real primary contests.

This also must include estimates where accurate vote totals are not known.

In the real world, Clinton remains behind in popular vote, states won, and delegates won.

At the link: www.realclearpolitics.com...emocratic_vote_count.html

*(Iowa, Nevada, Washington & Maine Have Not Released Popular Vote Totals. RealClearPolitics has estimated the popular vote totals for Senator Obama and Clinton in these four states. RCP uses the WA Caucus results from February 9 in this estimate because the Caucuses on February 9 were the "official" contest recognized by the DNC to determine delegates to the Democratic convention. The estimate from these four Caucus states where there are not official popular vote numbers increases Senator Obama’s popular vote margin by 110,224. This number would be about 50,000 less if the Washington primary results from February 19th were used instead of the Washington Caucus results.)

**(Senator Obama was not on the Michigan Ballot and thus received zero votes. Uncommitted was on the ballot and received 238,168 votes as compared to 328,309 for Senator Clinton.)

MICHIGAN

Clinton ....... 328,151 - 87.73%
Kucinich ....... 21,708 - 05.80%
Dodd ............ 3,853 - 01.03%
Gravel .......... 2,363 - 00.63%

............... 356,075

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Romney ....... 337,847 - 39.75%
McCain ....... 257,521 - 30.30%
Huckabee ..... 139,699 - 16.44%
Paul ........... 54,434 - 06.40%
Thompson ....... 32,135 - 03.78%
Giuliani ....... 24,706 - 02.91%
Hunter .......... 2,823 - 00.33%
Tancredo .......... 458 - 00.05%

............... 849,623

FLORIDA

Clinton ....... 857,208 - 49.69%
Obama ......... 569,041 - 32.98%
Edwards ....... 248,604 - 14.41%
Biden .......... 15,429 - 00.89%
Richardson ..... 14,782 - 00.86%
Kucinich ........ 9,537 - 00.55%
Dodd ............ 5,402 - 00.31%
Gravel .......... 5,261 - 00.30%

............. 1,725,264

McCain ........ 693,508 - 36.01%
Romney ........ 598,188 - 31.06%
Giuliani ...... 281,781 - 14.63%
Huckabee ...... 259,735 - 13.49%
Paul ........... 62,063 - 03.22%
Thompson ....... 22,288 - 01.16%
Hunter .......... 2,787 - 00.14%
Tancredo ........ 1,556 - 00.08%

............. 1,921,906

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-04-24   0:42:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#3. To: nolu_chan (#2)

The analysts say the non-campaigns of FL and MI will not sway the superdelegates, they understand fully what to make of those results.

robin  posted on  2008-04-24 01:00:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

FL where there was no campaign

Wrong. Obama campaigned there for three weeks, Hillary zero weeks, yet Obama still got his ass handed to him. He and Edwards took their name off of Michigan's ballot for a very good reason, they knew they would do badly there and knew that no delegates were going to be committed from Michigan.

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-24 01:01:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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