See other 9/11 Articles
Title: The Israeli Military Aircraft Company Tied To 9-11
Source:
The Peoples Voice
URL Source: http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi- ... s/voices.php/2008/04/25/p25046
Published: Apr 25, 2008
Author: Whistleblower
Post Date: 2008-04-26 11:04:32 by Dakmar
Keywords: None
Views: 1024
Comments: 70
Facts Not Fairies We must not abandon 9/11 until this 'crime of the century' is solved. A little-known and privately-held aircraft leasing company created by the Israeli military intelligence is connected to the Mossad-run airport security and passenger screening company at the center of the "false flag" terror network of 9-11. SOLVING 9-11 I am not like those who claimed to be 9-11 researchers, but who now say they have "moved beyond 9/11." How can anyone abandon the pursuit of the truth about 9-11 before the crime has been solved? Six years after the terrorist attacks in which some 3,000 innocent people died, not one victim's lawsuit has yet gone to trial. As a nation, Americans can not allow 9-11 to go unsolved. How can we forget the hundreds of people who were roasted alive in the burning twin towers? How can we ignore the death and destruction that we, as a result, have wrongfully inflicted on the innocent people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and Palestine? Who can accept an unelected administration dragging our military from one illegal war to another in the utterly fraudulent "war on terror," which they have promised will last for generations? If we, as Americans and citizens of the world, don't demand the truth of 9-11, who and what do we really stand for? Everything this administration has done for the past 6 years has been based on an unproven interpretation of the events of 9-11. What does it mean to be a citizen of "the land of the free and the home of the brave" if we allow our minds and our nation to be so easily hijacked by a pack of lies construed by a foreign power that terrorizes our citizens and extorts our government officials? During the past few months, I have redoubled my efforts to solve 9-11. As the cover-up becomes more obvious and the guilty parties reveal themselves, this is the time to pile on the pressure, not give up. ZIONIST ZEITGEIST I cannot abide mass murder, occupation, and genocidal wars of aggression. Nor can I accept the corruption of our values and destruction of our basic American rights to suit an artificially imposed "war on terror." With the passage of time, it is now clear that 9-11 was carried out in order to kick-start the perverse Zionist Zeitgeist called the "war on terror" with its pre-planned wars of aggression and occupation. In December 2001, veteran German intelligence professionals told me that 9-11 had been executed by a state-sponsored criminal network and had required years of planning. Eckehardt Werthebach, the former president of Germany's domestic intelligence service, Verfassungsschutz, told me in 2001 that "the deathly precision" and "the magnitude of planning" of the 9-11 attacks would have required "years of planning." Such a sophisticated operation, Werthebach said, would require the "fixed frame" of a state intelligence organization, something not found in a "loose group" like the one allegedly led by Mohammed Atta while he studied in Hamburg. If Werthebach's analysis is correct, which I have every reason to believe it is, the official version is nothing but a pack of lies. This would mean that the members of the criminal network are still in the highest positions of power in the U.S., Israel, and other nations. The members of this network are dedicated to preventing the evidence from being released because the evidence would expose the real perpetrators. This is the only logical reason why the 9-11 evidence has been confiscated, the investigation controlled, and the litigation and discovery processes obstructed. At this point, it should be clear that 9-11 will never be solved by the federal government, the appointed investigators or law enforcement agencies, or the corrupt courts. These controlled agencies, like the Zionist-controlled media, are only interested in controlling the information and preventing the evidence from coming out. This crime will only be solved by concerned and dedicated independent researchers. THE ZIONIST STRATEGY 9-11 was a very sophisticated operation, as Werthebach said, which required the "fixed frame" of a state intelligence organization. It was carefully planned years in advance and carried out for one strategic purpose: to kick-start the Zionist-planned "war on terror." The rabid Neo-Con Zionists who have dominated the Bush administrations pushed the "war on terror" with its criminal wars of aggression, occupation, and Balkanization in the Middle East as the strategic response to 9-11. The Zionist media moguls, who dominate the U.S. mass media, have in turn pushed the "war on terror" into the public mind as the suitable and proper response to 9-11. An Israeli official named Oded Yinon revealed the Zionist strategy to Balkanize the entire Middle East into ethnic mini-states in the early 1980s. The plan for a global "war on terror" to accomplish this goal has been articulated since the mid-1980s ad nauseam by Benjamin Netanyahu, the former Israeli prime minister of the extreme right-wing Likud party. The Israeli military's plans to realize these strategic goals have obviously been in the works for at least three decades. THE HOAX OF 9-11 9-11 is, in fact, a gigantic hoax on the world. Only by exposing the terrorist masterminds behind 9-11 will we reveal the criminals behind the fraudulent "war on terror" and epidemic of "false flag" terrorism that plagues the world. False flag terrorism is a crime of terrorism designed by the architects to be blamed on their enemy. The media outlets, which the criminals control, facilitate the blame game by repeating the chorus from the script and stifling any independent investigation or analysis of the crime. 9-11, after all, remains an unsolved crime. It is, however, quite obvious who is responsible for blocking discovery and obstructing justice for the victims and their relatives. At every critical point where the events and circumstances of 9-11 should have been investigated and discussed, there has been a Zionist, a dedicated devotee of the State of Israel, occupying the key position and acting as the controller and censor of evidence the gatekeeper of information. I have seen this pattern in earlier cover-ups. The same pattern was used with the sinking of Estonia in the Baltic Sea (1994) and the U.S. government's (NTSB) investigation of the downing of TWA Flight 800, two of the most egregious examples of government cover-ups in modern times. In each case, the three critical phases of the cover-up: investigation and access to evidence, media interpretation of the event, and related litigation, were all tightly controlled to prevent any meaningful discovery of what had really caused the disaster. The people who are preventing the discovery of the facts in such cases are actually complicit in covering-up crimes of mass murder. Logically, there can be no reason for dedicated Zionists to obstruct the investigation of 9-11 other than to conceal the evidence of Israeli and Zionist involvement in the crimes. The FBI, for example, under the command of the Israeli dual-national Michael Chertoff, is responsible for the confiscation of the crucial evidence from 9-11, evidence which has been withheld for than 6 years. This evidence includes video tapes of the Pentagon attack and physical pieces from the different aircraft involved. This evidence is critical to prove what happened and which aircraft were involved in the attacks but the FBI has refused to release this evidence. Neither President George W. Bush nor the U.S. Congress has demanded that they do so. The appointed federal judges Alvin K. Hellerstein and Michael B. Mukasey, and the former assistant attorney general Michael Chertoff, who now heads Homeland Security, have not worked for 6 years to hide the critical evidence and block discovery in order to protect fanatical Arab Muslims or conspiratorial Jesuits. The efforts of these dedicated Zionists have been exerted to protect Israel, the foreign state to which they are whole-heartedly devoted. The 9-11 cover-up is now full-blown and their role in it obvious. The players who are involved in obstructing justice are known. At this point, patriotic Americans must not abandon the pursuit of the truth. For those who died on 9-11 and in its aftermath, for our nation and our posterity, we are obliged to find those who are responsible for the crimes and cover-up of 9-11. THE EVIDENCE OF ISRAELI INVOLVEMENT I have pursued the leads of Israeli involvement simply because the evidence indicates that the Israeli military and intelligence had prior knowledge of 9-11, which indicates involvement. The five jubilant Israeli Mossad agents who were caught celebrating and filming themselves in front of the destruction of the World Trade Center and their subsequent public statements indicate that the Mossad had prior knowledge. The text message warnings of the attacks sent over the Mossad-controlled Odigo instant messaging system several hours prior to the attacks are further evidence of Israeli prior knowledge. Furthermore, the Israelis have a long history of committing "false flag" terror attacks, particularly against American targets. The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 and the Israeli terrorist bombings of U.S. and British civilian targets in Egypt during the 1954 Lavon Affair are the first that come to mind. If the evidence indicated that Saudis, Pakistanis, or even Jesuits were behind the attacks, I would investigate them. The evidence, however, points to Israelis being involved so I look there. There has been no independent investigation of 9-11 done by the controlled media other than Carl Cameron's now deeply buried four-part series on FOX News in December 2001. Think about this for a minute. The mass media in the land of the "free press" has not done any independent investigation about the crime of the century. The evidence of Israeli involvement in 9-11 is too obvious so senior editors in the controlled media don't let their journalists even approach the subject. The journalists of the "free press" in the United States are, unfortunately, confined to the same "Auschwitz of the Mind" as the American public they write for. They know very well that to touch the subject of Israeli involvement in 9-11 would be like touching a live wire. Likewise, when it comes to tracking the Israeli criminal network that has operated in the United States for decades, the U.S. media is simply a dog that won't bark - or hunt. The extent of Zionist control over the U.S. mass media, including the Internet, is astounding. The mass media has effectively prevented most Americans from understanding who is really behind the false flag terror attacks of 9-11, and, by extension, the illegal and genocidal wars in Afghanistan, Palestine, Lebanon, and Iraq. The controlled media has left Americans with an extremely distorted view of the Middle East, Zionism, and the history of the Zionist state, Israel. ISRAEL - A TERRORIST STATE Israel is a nation which was founded by terrorists, ruthless men with histories of committing genocidal crimes and false flag terror attacks. Israel was created in 1948 in Palestine on land that had been "ethnically cleansed" of its indigenous Christian and Muslim inhabitants. Ariel Sharon, the former prime minister who is reportedly being kept in a controlled coma, is also a prime example of an Israeli terrorist. Sharon came to power in early 2001, about the same time as Bush, some eight months before 9-11. Sharon is a well-known terrorist and genocidaire who has been personally involved in numerous terrorist atrocities, such as the 1982 massacre in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, in which thousands of innocent people were massacred. Sharon is a Zionist extremist who believes that every Jew should live in Israeli occupied-Palestine. Realistically, what else besides terrorism and bloodshed should one expect from such fanatical and genocidal terrorists? The sons and daughters of the original Zionist terrorists now occupy the highest positions of power in the Israeli government. Tzipora Malka "Tzipi" Livni, for example, the current Foreign Minister and Acting Prime Minister of Israel, is the daughter of the former terror chief of the Irgun. Born in Tel Aviv in July 1958, "Tzipi" is the daughter of Eitan Livni (a.k.a. Yerucham Bzozowitch from Grodno) a Polish-born Irgun terrorist associated with the King David Hotel bombing. Steven Erlanger, writing about Livni in a New York Times article entitled "Israel's Top Envoy," dated February 5, 2006, said: Tzipi Livni, 47, is the first woman to serve as Israel's foreign minister since Golda Meir. Some think she may be the first since Ms. Meir to be prime minister. She is also a deeply Israeli figure, the daughter of Zionist guerrillas - terrorists in some eyes - who met in the Irgun, the underground organization that fought the British and the Arabs, and that blew up the British headquarters in the King David Hotel in 1946, killing 91 people. Her father, Eitan, was the Irgun's head of operations, and on his gravestone is the map of Greater Israel, extending over both sides of the Jordan River. Erlanger suggests that blowing up a hotel full of people in Jerusalem and killing 91 is only a terrorist act "in some eyes." The unprovoked Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in 1967, which killed 34 U.S. servicemen and wounded many more, is another example of Israeli false flag terrorism. Dedicated Zionists will either deny or defend these acts of Israeli false flag terrorism as the "pragmatic" thing to do and attack those who disagree as anti-Semitic. FALSE FLAG TERROR - AN ISRAELI SPECIALTY False flag terror acts are an Israeli specialty, as Dr. Kaasem Khaleel points out in his book Wrongly Blamed (2007). "Public terror was invented by the Israelis," Khaleel wrote citing Christopher Sykes' book Crossroads to Israel: To achieve their political goals, Zionists are dependent on terror. These terror acts are used as a distraction. Even though the Israelis are the sources, they effectively blame others. The fabricated terror they commit is an assault on people's intelligence. Thus people are being purposely misled regarding the real source of these crimes. The Zionist-controlled media has "purposely misled" the public about 9-11 for the same reason as the Zionist judges, investigators, and commissioners: to protect the evidence of Israeli involvement from being exposed. The controlled U.S. media works with the Zionist criminal network and allows it to flourish by failing to investigate, identify, or report on the companies and individuals involved. THE PLANES OF 9-11 9-11 was an act of false flag terror in which four allegedly "hijacked" airplanes were used as weapons of mass destruction. There are, however, many unanswered questions about the airplanes involved. There are many observations about these planes which suggest they were not the civilian airliners they are said to have been. The plane that struck the South Tower, for example, had shapes, bulges, and holes which have led many analysts to believe it was a Boeing 767-300 refueling tanker that had been disguised as a 767-200 United Airlines passenger jet. Durable parts from the two jets that struck the twin towers, such as landing gear and engines, landed on the streets of Manhattan. On these engines and landing gear are many numbered time-tracked parts which could prove precisely which aircraft they had been put on and when they had been serviced, but the FBI has refused to present this evidence to make its case. Why wouldn't the FBI present this evidence if it had it? The only possible explanation for the FBI's failure to present this evidence is that the evidence does not match the planes they say hit the buildings or "crashed" in Pennsylvania. If the planes that were involved in the attacks on the World Trade Center were, in fact, not United Airlines Flight 175 and American Airlines Flight 11, but remotely-controlled tankers painted to look like civilian aircraft, who could have produced such disguised planes and inserted them into the NORAD anti-terrorism exercise that was taking place in the airspace of the East Coast on the morning of 9-11? ISRAEL AIRCRAFT INDUSTRIES (IAI) Given the evidence of Israeli prior knowledge, the obvious questions are: "Did the Israelis have the means to carry off such a complex operation? And if they had the means, is there a link between their capability and the events of 9-11?" The answer to both questions is yes. The Israeli military and intelligence agency have long had the capability to convert and disguise large-body aircraft in the United States and their companies that do this kind of work are connected to ICTS, the Israeli airport security company that is a prime suspect in the "false flag" terrorism. ICTS is also a key defendant in the 9-11 litigation. The Israeli military has spawned several aircraft leasing and maintenance companies in the United States since the late 1960s. There is, in fact, a network of Israeli-controlled aviation companies operating in the United States which were all started by Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), now known as Israel Aerospace Industries. Israel Aircraft Industries is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Israeli Defense Ministry, which produces and maintains planes and missiles. One of the Israeli military's aviation companies spawned in the United States is, or was an aircraft leasing company named ATASCO, which began operating in the United States in the early 1970s. I began investigating ATASCO in August 2006. As a matter of fact, I spoke with Shalom Yoran, the Israeli chairman of this now defunct Israeli company, about six hours before three undercover police arrived at my house and, without cause or provocation, TASERed me and broke my elbow in front of my family on August 15, 2006. I had come across Shalom Yoran's name while researching Amit and Naftali Yoran, the suspicious young Israelis who oversaw cyber-security for the U.S. government and military computers prior to and after 9-11. Shalom Yoran has an extremely suspicious and unusual profile for an Israeli immigrant to the United States. He was in the original Israeli air force of 1948 and is a founder and former head of Israel Aircraft Industries. Yoran was instrumental in building the IAI into an internationally recognized company and the largest industry in Israel. Before Yoran emigrated to the U.S., which is very unusual for Israelis of his age and with his high-level military background, he had spent the previous ten years as senior vice president of IAI and as president of IAI's parent company, Bedek. Israelis like Yoran don't come to America as immigrants they are sent there on a mission. Israel Aircraft Industries was established in 1953 as Bedek Aviation Company, five years after the establishment of the State of Israel. Today, Bedek is the senior group of Israel Aerospace Industries, and specializes in aircraft operation, conversion, maintenance, and overhaul. In 1975, when Yoran "left" Bedek and IAI at the unusually young retirement age of 50, the corporation had 22,000 employees, of which 4,000 worked in the Bedek Division. In reality, Yoran didn't leave Bedek and IAI at all; he was sent by the Israeli military to the United States to manage one of their most important operations ATASCO. In his on-line biographies, Yoran says he was appointed to this position: "When he retired at the age of 50 [ca. 1975], he was appointed the President of Atasco, an American Flight company for cargo shipment and maintenance." His 2003 biography on the website of Tel Aviv University (TAU) has a similar tale: "At the age of 50, Shalom Yoran retired from the Israel Aircraft Industries. In 1978 he moved to the U.S. where he became chairman of ATASCO USA - a private aircraft trading and service company. ATASCO bought and leased airplanes to major airlines around the world. The company also had an aircraft maintenance and modification plant in Smyrna, TN." "Shalom Yoran continues to be chairman of ATASCO USA," the 2003 TAU entry noted. How could an Israeli be appointed to be president or chairman of an "American" company, unless the company were actually an Israeli company? THE ATASCO-BEDEK CONNECTION ATASCO USA was, of course, created and owned by the Israeli military and connected to the Mossad, but this information is not easily found. There has only been one article that I have found that mentions what ATASCO has been doing for the past 36 years in the United States, since it was first created by the Israeli Defense Ministry in 1971. That article, entitled "Ugandan Plane Deal Believed Key to Israeli Spy Operation," was published in the Washington Post of September 11, 1978. This investigative article, which involved an international team of journalists that included an Israeli, focused on a "mysterious Israeli tycoon and the Mossad, Israeli's intelligence service" and how they had provided the Ugandan dictator Idi Amin with two Boeing 707 jetliners as part of an Israeli effort to spy on Libya. The "big winner" and tycoon in this Mossad spying operation was Shaul Nehemia Eisenberg (1921-1997), "the reclusive Israeli entrepreneur at its center." Eisenberg was, as the Washington Post reported in 1978, the central figure in the Mossad spying operation on Libya: The chief Eisenberg firm in these deals was Aircraft Trading and Services Inc., or Atasco. Headquartered in Asia House, Eisenberg's luxury building in Tel Aviv, Atasco also has branches in the "Eisenberg Building" in New York and in London. Atasco was put together in 1971 by executives of Israeli Aircraft Industries, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Israeli Defense Ministry that makes planes and missiles. Eisenberg got into Atasco as an equal partner with Israeli Aircraft for $500,000 in cash. After the 1973 Middle East War, Israeli Aircraft, staggered by scandals, sold its share in Atasco to Eisenberg, leaving him its sole owner. The rest of Atasco's original capital, $5 million, came from the U.S. Export-Import Bank, which is supposed to make loans to promote American exports. The Ex-Im Bank certainly found the right man in Eisenberg. He quickly turned into an eager customer for Pan American Airways' used Boeing 707s. Atasco bought 12 or 15 of the advance series "C" 707s that Pan Am was selling and purchased six out of ten earlier series "C" 707s being sold by the airline. At its Israeli hangars, currently jammed with 707s bearing obscure markings, Atasco remodels the interiors to suit customers and paints on their proud colors - Iran Air, Tarom of Romania, Uganda Airlines. In May 1976, Atasco sold the 707 that was once Pan Am's "Clipper Jupiter" to a firm in Zurich, which dealt it on the Amin. Intelligence sources say that the head of this Zurich firm is a 15-year veteran of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and the firm is an agency "laundry." It exists, these sources say, to pass on Mossad funds for deals in which the Israeli secret service is interested. The Washington Post, one of the most important newspapers in the United States, is a leading national newspaper of record. Oddly, however, the extremely important information contained in this article about ATASCO was never repeated in any of the subsequent articles in which this mysterious company was mentioned. For example, when Gerald L. Gitner, a key aviation executive with Pan Am, TWA, and a host of smaller airlines, was appointed Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of ATASCO USA, Inc. In 1986, when Gitner became CEO of the Israeli-owned company with a documented history of murky business it was simply described as a New York aircraft leasing and brokerage company. ATASCO's previously published history of involvement in Mossad operations was never mentioned. Gitner, who was CEO of Mossad's "privately held" aircraft leasing and maintenance company until 1990, was involved in the dismemberment and selling off of the assets of the once prosperous airlines Pan Am and TWA. In October 1986, when Gitner was appointed CEO of the Mossad-run ATASCO U.S.A. Inc., he was or had been a senior executive with PanAm Corp. and TWA. He was the president of Texas Air Corp., the holding company for Continental Airlines and New York Air, when he was appointed president and CEO of ATASCO U.S.A., "a private aviation concern involved in commercial aircraft leasing and heavy aircraft maintenance." Gitner was also co-founder and president of People Express Airlines. The Houston Chronicle of October 3, 1986, however, only identified ATASCO as "an aircraft leasing and brokerage company." EISENBERG "WORLD ENTREPRENEUR" In November 1982, when Eisenberg became involved in the Tregaron deal and tried to take over a large piece of prime real estate in Washington, D.C., the Washington Post wrote about Mossad's "world entrepreneur" and Israel's point man in China and Panama: Eisenberg was profiled in a 1981 Business Week article as a businessman of enormous wealth, diversity of business interests, and a proclivity for secretiveness in his dealings. He owns a worldwide network of corporations. His largest company, United Development Inc., was set up in Panama in 1960. Eisenberg essentially acts as a middleman, according to reports on his dealings, assembling consortiums of manufacturers, builders and banks to construct industrial facilities of all types. Since Eisenberg was the "sole owner" of ATASCO since 1973, the Mossad's "aircraft trading and services" company naturally began its murky business on the American continent in Panama. In 1978 the Washington Post reported that there were "frequent but unsubstantiated reports that Eisenberg operates mostly from Central America." Eisenberg was the "Panamanian honorary general consul in Tel Aviv," the Post reported. The first mention of ATASCO other than the 1978 article in the Washington Post was in the New York Times on October 29, 1981, when it reported that Emery Air Freight had purchased a Boeing 727-100 from Atasco-Panama. IDF - ISRAELI DRUG FORCES? Israel Aircraft Industries also has a branch in Bogota, Colombia, IAI Sucursal Colombia, a nation known more for the production and distribution of cocaine than aircraft. Why would IAI establish aircraft leasing and maintenance facilities in Colombia and Panama? Is airlifting drugs a central part of the IAI operations in Latin America? Does the Mossad use IAI facilities in Colombia to run its own drug smuggling routes to fund its operations? Does Mossad drug smuggling involve American politicians and intelligence agencies which it then controls? There are a number of indications that the Mossad is deeply involved in the Colombian drug trade. The horde of Mossad operatives who were disguised as Israeli art students in the years prior to 9-11 were known to have been targeting the offices and personnel of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA). Why would the Mossad be seeking to penetrate the DEA if it were not involved in drug smuggling? It is also well known that Israeli gangs are heavily involved in illicit drug smuggling. A disproportionately large number of Israelis have been arrested in Europe and the United States with large amounts of narcotics and synthetic drugs such as Ecstasy. Are these the small fry of a much large Israeli presence in the illegal drug trade? The rumors about the Bush and Clinton families being involved in large scale drug smuggling operations are legion. From George H.W. Bush's days in the Texas oil business and as head of the CIA to his position as a director of the Prozac giant Eli Lilly and Co., the drug trade is a central part of the Bush family legend. The allegations about Gov. Bill Clinton's involvement in the drug smuggling operation in Mena, Arkansas are also legion. Aircraft were used to smuggle drugs and weapons through the airport in Mena in the 1980s while Gov. Clinton protected the entire operation. Mena, from 1981 to 1985, was indeed one of the centers for international smuggling traffic. According to official I.R.S. and D.E.A. calculations, sworn court testimony, and other corroborative records, the traffic amounted to thousands of kilos of cocaine and heroin and literally hundreds of millions of dollars in drug profits. According to a 1986 letter from the Louisiana attorney general to then U.S. attorney general Edwin Meese, [Adler Berriman Seal, or "Barry"] Seal "smuggled between $3 billion and $5 billion of drugs into the U.S." Seal had been a pilot with TWA from 1966 to 1974, according his on-line biography. Gitner, who began his career at TWA in 1968 was a vice president when he also left TWA in 1974 to join the much smaller Texas International Airlines. The numerous reports and allegations of involvement in drug smuggling are what the Bush and Clinton families have in common. These are the families which have dominated the executive branch of the United States government since 1981. There has been either a Bush or Clinton in the White House for the past 26 years, since January 1981. Is the illegal drug business something the Bush's and Clinton's have had a hand in with Israel's Mossad? If the reports, allegations, and rumors are true, the illegal drug trade is where the interests of the Bush family, the Clintons, the CIA and the Mossad all come together. This would explain the choice to invade and occupy Afghanistan, where opium production is now at record levels after having been nearly eradicated under the Taliban regime. This would explain the unusual pressure to medicate the 9-11 relatives. "CLIPPER JUPITER" AND ZIMEX AVIATION In the 1978 article about Eisenberg and the Mossad the Washington Post reported that ATASCO had sold the Boeing 707, which had been Pan Am's "Clipper Jupiter," to a firm in Zurich, which had immediately transferred ownership to Idi Amin in Uganda: Intelligence sources say that the head of this Zurich firm is a 15-year veteran of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and the firm is an agency 'laundry.' It exists, these sources say, to pass on Mossad funds for deals in which the Israeli secret service is interested. Pan Am's "Clipper Jupiter," with tail registration number N766PA, was sold to a Zurich-based company called Zimex Aviation on May 12, 1976. The same day, Zimex Aviation transferred the plane with a new tail number, 5X-UAL, to Uganda Airlines. The "15-year veteran of Mossad" would be Hans Ziegler, who headed Zimex as reported in The Oregonian on August 22, 1988: Charles Hanner, then a Page [Airways] vice president, testified by deposition that he had been introduced to Amin by Hans Ziegler, a veteran agent of Mossad, the Israeli military intelligence service. Ziegler's Swiss company, Zimex Aviation, had sold a number of aircraft to Middle Eastern potentates and to Amin's friend Moammar Khadafy, the Libyan dictator. ATASCO TIES TO 9-11 Gitner reportedly stayed with ATASCO from October 1986 through December 1989. In 1989, Gitner was appointed to head Presidential Airways of Herndon, Virginia. Gitner later served on the board of directors of another Mossad-run company, ICTS, which is one of the key defendants in the 9-11 litigation. Along with a handful of senior Israeli Mossad veterans, Gitner was a director of ICTS from at least 1997 through 2005. Most significantly, he was a director of the Israeli parent company which was responsible for airline security and passenger screening at Boston's Logan Airport on 9-11. International Consultants on Targeted Security (ICTS) International, N.V. is the Mossad-run company that owns Huntleigh USA, the airline security company that oversaw the passenger screening operation at Boston and Newark airports on September 11, 2001. How would Gitner be a director or CEO of a Mossad-run company like ATASCO or ICTS if he were not working for the Mossad? Has Gerald Gitner from Boston been working with the Israelis since he began at TWA in the late 1960s? Is this the reason he left TWA and began working for Texas International? BOEING 767 CONVERSIONS - BEDEK'S SPECIALTY IAI is "a world leader in aircraft conversion and modernization programs, unmanned air vehicles (UAVs), communication programs and defense electronics," according to the company's website. Shalom Yoran's company, Bedek Aviation Group, reportedly converted its first Boeing 767 from a passenger to cargo jet in early 2000. The converted passenger jet was the first of 11 767s to be converted for Airborne-Express, according to the Jerusalem Post of April 4, 2000. "Bedek is one of the world's leaders in plane conversions," the Israeli newspaper reported. In early 2001, Bedek delivered a refurbished Boeing 707 refueling tanker for the Israeli air force, according to the Jerusalem Post of February 22, 2001. "The number of [Israeli] refueling tankers is classified," the Post reported. "The first 707 air refueling tanker converted for the Air Force was delivered 20 years ago." This Israeli report indicates that Bedek has been converting Boeing aircraft into tankers since the early 1980s. "The main benefit of this present aircraft is in its versatility, its quick conversion from a refueling tanker to a cargo jet. In this way, the aircraft can be used as a cargo plane in times of peace and a refueling tanker in an emergency," an IAI statement said. IAI IN MIAMI COMMODORE AVIATION "Boeing has been working with Israel Aircraft Industries Ltd. for 30 years," the Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported in October 1998. Miami International Airport has long been the site of one of Bedek's maintenance stations, along with Paris, Moscow, Baku and Bajkal, according to the Jerusalem Post of January 13, 1995. The Bedek operation in Miami was known as Commodore Aviation. IAI and Bedek had "offices in Arlington, Va.; New York City; Princeton, N.J., for its Galaxy Aerospace subsidiary; and in Miami for its Commodore Aviation unit," according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer article from 1998. Florida Gov. Jeb Bush made a four-day trade mission to Israel in November 1999 during which he appealed to the state-owned Israel Aircraft Industries to expand their business operations in Florida. IAI's Miami-based Commodore Aviation was already the largest Israeli business presence in Florida in 1999 with about 500 employees, The Stuart News (Florida) reported. In 2003, Commodore Aviation, "part of IAI's Bedek Aviation Group," pulled out of Miami, reportedly owing nearly a million dollars to the Miami airport and moved to Rome, New York, where it renamed its operation the "Empire Air Center." "Commodore has been searching for a new location since June 2002 and owes $800,000 in back rent to Miami International Airport, where it's currently based," South Florida CEO reported in May 2003 when it announced Commodore Aviation's move to New York and name change. Like ATASCO, Commodore has been funded by the U.S. taxpayer. Commodore Aviation made money by its move to the former Griffis Air Force Base, where it operates in a massive hangar in which B-52 bombers and tankers were once serviced. The move profited Commodore, which received some $25 million in grants and tax incentives from federal and New York sources, the Jerusalem Post reported on November 21, 2003. "The whole relocation didn't cost IAI one dollar," said Gerry Stoch, New York state's economic attache in Israel. http://www.bollyn.info/home/articles/911/solving911ch3/
"Given the scope and implications of the Mena story, it may be easy to understand the media's initial skepticism and reluctance," Sally Denton and Roger Morris wrote in their July 1995 article "The Crimes of Mena":
It appears that drug smuggling could very well be the illegal enterprise at the center of the criminal network behind 9-11. This is a subject that certainly deserves further investigation.
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
#1. To: Dakmar (#0)
(Edited)
Looks good, but haven't read it all yet. Took the link and read the comments. Zionists all seem to understand very well that truth is an enemy they must vigorously assault. One of them refers to the Popular Mechanics fraud, which reminds me -- I am practically 100% sure PopMech used a picture of molten iron or steel which they captioned as being molten aluminum. How hard can it be to go after that blunder and uncontrovertably show it up as a fraud? Not very, in my opinion.
Why Bollyn was hounded and setup and finally forced to leave the country.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I can't say that he entirely makes the case that 9/11 was an Israeli operation, but there is a lot of information here I wasn't aware of, especially the stuff about Panama and Uganda. That it isn't setting off bells and whistles in DC and the media is particularly telling.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I would like to see some corroboration from other journalists on many of his facts. Everyone who says Ben Chertoff (of Popular Mechanics) is closely related (cousin?) to Homesec's Chertoff is 100% relying only on Bollyn, AFAICT, for example. Even though, seriously, how many Chertoffs can there be, I'd still like to see some corroboration.
Well good luck with that.
Christopher Bollyn Fired From American Free Press Rense.com - 10/9/6
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Attaboy - get that "Spinball" in there over the plate and convince people to not look at any evidence you don't want them too. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive. 17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Corroboration is always nice, assuming the corroborator is not some sort of basket case.
My only qualm with Bollyn himself (that I can recall at the moment) is he was talking about banning depictions of Mohammed as if it was a credible idea. I have to say the drama (Hoffman estates) is a bit off-putting, but perhaps to be expected. I'm not going to respond to your intemperate personal accusation beyond that. It's just more drama, to me. Believe what you want. Send out all the strongly-worded forum-wide avisories you wish, I truly don't give a crap. If people can't see my loyalties are where I say, then fuck 'em. Again, just to recap on that, me not giving crap about you having great ambitions of molding the forum's prejudices.
Following the publication of the article and its exaltation by the mainstream media as the final nail in the coffin for 9/11 conspiracy theories, it was revealed that senior researcher on the piece Benjamin Chertoff is the cousin of Michael Chertoff, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. This means that Benjamin Chertoff was hired to write an article that would receive nationwide attention, about the veracity of the government's explanation of an event that led directly to the creation of Homeland Security, a body that his own cousin now heads. This is unparalleled nepotism and completely dissolves the credibility of the article before one has even turned the first page. Bollyn isn't the only one, although he may have been first. The Chertoffs are free to clear things up, but from the quotes I've read all they have done is confirm it. And Comrade Chertoff is automatically a dual-citizen with Israel b/c his mother was an Israeli citizen. That's another one they are trying to say is "only from Bollyn". But the fact is, Chertoff is automatically a dual-citizen with Israel - no question. Here is the Wiki entry: Disputed family background Supporters of the conspiracy theories have claimed that 9/11: Debunking The Myths is "a propaganda piece" written by "a senior government official's cousin" because Chertoff bears the same last name as Department of Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff. However, Chertoff has repeatedly denied this claim, most notably in the September 11, 2006 issue of U.S. News & World Report, stating "no one in my family has ever met anyone related to Michael Chertoff".[7] In an audio interview, he noted that any possible relationship would likely only be found back in "19th century Belarus. However Benjamin Chertoff's Mother, when asked about a possible relation, she said they "might be distant cousins."[8] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Chertoff Comrade Chertoff hired ex-KGB Primakov (Finkelstein) and ex-Stasi Marcus Wolf as consultants for DHS. Add it up. It spells more than Belarus.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
All I significantly did up to that point on this thread was say good corroboration would be nice. That's practically an existential truism, in my book. I don't know where it is in yours, but I mean really now, grow the hell up already and stop playing the fool.
Wiki (you also quoted) cites Bollyn only, last time I checked. Duhhhh. Has that changed? Doubt it. Presumably it's the same with Watson's uncredited "it was revealed." Believe me, I've googled on this point already. I did my homework by your standards many months ago. You are not yet telling me anything relevant I don't know, and anyone capable of understanding that knows you're blowing smoke up my ass.
If this is not true then why don't the Chertoffs take Watson and Bollyn to court over it? There is a quote by the mother that is uncontested. Taken together with the other things we know about the Chertoffs' Zionist background and what they are trying to do to America, for them to just ignore the charge of this relationship is pretty funny. I mean Ben Chertoff lied about 9/11 and his cousin lies about everything. It's too perfect.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I guess you didn't check that closely
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Again, the usefullness of quality corroboration was assserted. There was no assertion from me that it is not true. Find someone who's interested in arguing the theory of relations there against you. I'm not the one.
# ^ Odeo podcast with Popular Mechanics executive editor David Dunbar, contributing editor Brad Reagan and editor-in-chief Jim Meigs, August 22, 2006 I guess you didn't check that closely Please translate to English, if possible. IOW, WTF does this have to do with the usefulness of corroboration, let alone whether or not Ben is the cousin or whatever of homesec's Chertoff? The podcast refers to Bollyn's story in a question and is not dispositive, IIRC. Would be happy to see you prove my recollection wrong here. TIA.
I never really cared if they were cousins or not, that minutia is outside the scope of the question as to why Israel maintain(ed)(s) an air refueling base in Panama.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Sorry. I still think PopMech is manifestly dead in the water on their alleged "molten aluminum" pic choice, so a close tie with homesec's Chertoff would be oh-so-sweet to show the world.
Again, not that I care, but that is hardly overwhelming evidence of their cousinhood.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
"might be distant cousins."[8] #8 is ^ Odeo podcast with Popular Mechanics executive editor David Dunbar, contributing editor Brad Reagan and editor-in-chief Jim Meigs, August 22, 2006 And you make a good point Dak, the relationship is of minimal importance. However nepotism is the hallmark of Zionists.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
www.prisonplanet.com/arti...00806popularmechanics.htm Debunking Popular Mechanics' 9/11 Lies Nepotism, bias, shoddy research and agenda-driven politics Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | August 10 2006 Popular Mechanics has re-entered the media circus in an attempt to continue its 9/11 debunking campaign that began in March of last year. A new book claims to expose the myths of the 9/11 truth movement, yet it is Popular Mechanics who have been exposed as promulgating falsehoods while engaging in nepotism, shoddy research and agenda-driven politics. It comes as no surprise that Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Corporation. As fictionalized in Orson Welles' acclaimed film Citizen Kane, William Randolph Hearst wrote the book on cronyism and yellow journalism and Popular Mechanics hasn't bucked that tradition. The magazine is a cheerleader for the sophistication of advanced weaponry and new technology used by police in areas such as crowd control and 'anti-terror' operation. A hefty chunk of its advertising revenue relies on the military and defense contractors. Since the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq and in the future Iran all cite 9/11 as a pretext, what motivation does the magazine have to conduct a balanced investigation and risk upsetting its most coveted clientele? Popular Mechanics' March 2005 front cover story was entitled 'Debunking 9/11 Lies' and has since become the bellwether reference point for all proponents of the official 9/11 fairytale. Following the publication of the article and its exaltation by the mainstream media as the final nail in the coffin for 9/11 conspiracy theories, it was revealed that senior researcher on the piece Benjamin Chertoff is the cousin of Michael Chertoff, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. This means that Benjamin Chertoff was hired to write an article that would receive nationwide attention, about the veracity of the government's explanation of an event that led directly to the creation of Homeland Security, a body that his own cousin now heads. This is unparalleled nepotism and completely dissolves the credibility of the article before one has even turned the first page. The arguments presented in the article have been widely debunked by the 9/11 truth community as an example of a straw man hatchet job - whereby false arguments are erected, attributed to 9/11 skeptics, and then shot down. One of the most glaring errors in the Popular Mechanics hit piece appears in the 'Intercepts Not Routine' section where it is claimed that, "In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999." As Jim Hoffman points out in his excellent rebuttal, "This bold assertion flies in the face of a published report of scramble frequencies that quotes the same Maj. Douglas Martin that is one of PM's cited experts!" "From Sept. 11 to June, NORAD scrambled jets or diverted combat air patrols 462 times, almost seven times as often as the 67 scrambles from September 2000 to June 2001, Martin said." The article also makes no mention whatsoever of the numerous war games scheduled for the morning of 9/11 which confused air defense personnel as to the true nature of the attack as it unfolded, as is documented by the recent release of the NORAD tapes. A section on the collapse of the World Trade Center fails to address firefighters and other individuals who reported numerous explosions before the towers fell, squibs of debris seen shooting out of the towers well below the collapse point, and the fact that the towers fell only slightly slower than absolute free fall. The article was released before analysis conducted by BYU physics Professor Steven Jones discovered traces of thermite in steel samples taken from the World Trade Center. "Using advanced techniques we're finding out what's in these samples - we're finding iron, sulphur, potassium and manganese - these are characteristic of a variation of thermite which is used to cut through steel very rapidly, it's called thermate," said Professor Jones. The article regurgitates pancake and truss theories yet fails to acknowledge the comments of WTC construction manager Frank DeMartini (below) who before 9/11 stated that the buildings were designed to take multiple airliner impacts and not collapse. The article also completely fails to answer why pools of molten yellow metal were found underneath both towers and Building 7 subsequent to the collapses. The classic crimp implosion of Building 7, which was not hit by a plane, is glossed over as the piece again tries to mislead its readers into believing that over engineered steel buildings collapse from fire damage - an event unprecedented in world history aside from three examples in one single day. Commenting on his own interview for the magazine piece, Alex Jones said that initially he thought it was a fake interview or a crank call. Jones has given hundreds of TV and print interviews and thousands of radio interviews but his experience with Benjamin Chertoff was like no other. "People from school newspapers sound more credible and serious," said Jones. Jones had to call Popular Mechanics' office and verify that Chertoff actually worked for them. In the course of doing so he was erroneously told by Editor in Chief James Meigs that the story was not going to be a hit piece and that it was simply intended to explore the different theories surrounding 9/11. In addition, Popular Mechanics highlighted an article that Jones had posted on his website about incendiary devices in the World Trade Center. Jones' websites feature a cross-section of mainstream and alternative media articles. An article written by Jones himself is clearly labeled as such. The magazine had contacted the individuals featured in the article who told them that they had never spoken to Jones. The article was clearly attributed to its orginal author - Randy Lavello - and not Alex Jones. When Jones asked Popular Mechanics if they were going to contact the individuals again and ask if they had spoken with the original author, they dropped the subject. As part of a PR campaign to sell its newly packaged dross, the book 'Debunking 9/11 Lies,' Popular Mechanics' James Meigs appeared on the O'Reilly Factor (watch below). Meigs and O'Reilly need to be reminded that constantly parroting the word "fact," without presenting any actual evidence, does not make something a fact. Meigs contradicts himself completely in claiming that, "No one had ever seen a one hundred plus story building collapse to the ground before," and yet less than two minutes later agrees with O'Reilly's comment that nothing unexpected about the impact of the planes or the collapses surprised analysts. Meigs concurs that it's an unprecedented event and yet claims that analysts knew exactly what was going to happen. How could they have known the ins and outs of an event that had never happened before? Meigs calls the WTC implosion, "The most closely studied collapse in world history," yet fails to address the fact that 50,000 tons of steel from the WTC, a supposed crime scene, was shipped to Asia and a further 10,000 tons to India, preventing a detailed analysis. Meigs, citing opinions of engineers, bizarrely states that, "The real surprise is that the building stood up as long as it did." In February 2005, The Windsor building in Madrid (pictured) burned for over 24 hours as shooting flames engulfed almost the entire structure and yet the building did not collapse. The core of the WTC was exponentially more robust than the Windsor building. So we have one building that burned incessantly for over 24 hours and did not fall, compared to two buildings which were structurally far superior, burned briefly from limited fires, and yet both collapsed within an average time of 79 minutes - and Meigs claims they should have collapsed sooner! Meigs claims that Popular Mechanics' investigation is "not political," and yet the foreword to their book is written by none other than GOP darling Senator John McCain. In the foreword McCain re-hashes an abhorrent amount of Neo-Con detritus that relies solely on 9/11 having happened exactly as the government claims it did. "We liberated Afghanistan from the murderous rule of the Taliban, our attackers' proud hosts. We chased Al Qaeda around the globe," barks McCain. Afghanistan is now a failed narco-state run by tribal warlords and ex-Taliban kingpins, nowhere outside of Kabul is secure, malnutrition amongst children is the highest in the world outside Africa, and opium production is at record levels. Bellicose statements about chasing Al-Qaeda around the globe are somewhat contradicted by the fact that Al-Qaeda-Iraq links were proven to be fraudulent and outgoing CIA director AB “Buzzy” Krongard told the London Times that Bin Laden should stay free. Couple this with President Bush's view on Bin Laden - "I truly am not that concerned about him," and McCain's rhetoric falls flat on its face. McCain also uses the callous tactic of saying that questioning the government's version of 9/11 insults the victims and this is also parroted in the Popular Mechanics magazine piece. Let's hear what Bill Doyle, representative of the largest group of 9/11 family members has to say on this subject. "If you want to believe what they want to snow you under on like the 9/11 Commission - that's a total fallacy," said Doyle. "It looks like there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 if you really look at all the facts - a lot of families now feel the same way." Doyle said that half of the family members - relatives of the 9/11 victims - he represents thought that the US government was complicit in 9/11. Despite the efforts of Popular Mechanics to whitewash government complicity in 9/11 via a front page feature story and a new book, recent polls clearly show an increasing trend towards a rejection of the official version of events. If we are to set aside the 30% of Americans that do not even know the year in which September 11 happened, then we are left with figures of around 36% who agree that the government was involved in the attack and only 34% of Americans who actually know in which year the attack took place that still think it was carried out solely by a rag-tag group of 19 incompetent morons who couldn't fly Cessna's at the behest of a man on a kidney dialysis machine. Popular Mechanics are sure to make a tidy sum of money from their latest publication, but their credibility is certain to dwindle in light of the fact that they are willingly acting as collaborators by aiding the cover-up of a crime that resulted in the deaths of nearly 3,000 Americans on 9/11 and untold more to come as a result of how the attack changed US foreign policy.
The point is, it is not just Bollyn making this kinship claim (as nobody claimed), if this wiki source is to be believed. Also, there is Watson, but nobody dismissed that one too for some reason. And I still believe that if the Chertoffs wanted to, they could clear this up, but they don't seem interested or able. Bollyn has been under attack, and this article, which is very good is why (not his assertion about kinship - which is interesting). I would MUCH rather discuss what is in this article by Bollyn than be sidetracked on something so trivial.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
In any event, Ben was also previously a producer of Entertainment Tonight, or some such hideous boobtube cultural gatekeeper like that. I mean it's just pathetic the depths the zionist tribe will sink to.
I've always refrained from commenting on technical aspects of 9/11 because I'm not an engineer, architect, chemist, or aircraft aficianado. If you connect too many dots you get an unintelligible jumble, and I think that might be their strategy, permanent outrage fatigue.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
No, the cited quote from his mother was taken by Bollyn, according to Bollyn. Bollyn is the only person who asked.
What a joke, you're the one who began the discussion about whether they were cousins. I gave you Watson and a reference from wiki about where the quote from the mother came; both are NOT Bollyn. My interest in what Bollyn has written in another great article.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Civilian aircraft are never refueled in-flight, am I correct?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Why should they, when it keeps us distracted from watching Lawrence Welk re-runs? Swiss my ass!
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I gave you the link that is the footnote in wiki for the source of the quote of the mother and it does not appear to be Bollyn. If it is, there is still Watson, and Watson is not Bollyn. But have it your way, I really don't care.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Uhh, no. That wasn't my point. I brought the dispute up because the relationship is not corroborated by a followup interview by anyone or further research and Bollyn is the only one who claims he asked, as an example of where other journalists are not picking up the ball. Now knock off the bullcrap, please..
Watson does not give a source. I already noted that. You're just messing up the thread with empty-headedness.
lol!
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
just trying to clear up yours, but I've now given up any hope of doing so
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
It "does not appear"? You're not sure??? So back it up with a transcript of the podcast cited by the wiki footnote you introduced to the thread, then.
What an ass! Go listen to it or find it yourself. I'm not your home online tutor. I have no vested interest in what you choose to believe or disbelieve.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Just trying my patience is more like it.
Already did, Airhead-Apparent. Why force everyone else to stream the file too, just to see if you have a point? Be nice, make a transcript.
Well, my work here is done. Sholom!
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
No, you're my aspiring link-clicking director.
Funny boy.
Daniel Hopsicker has loads of related info on this subject. www.madcowprod.com/08082006.html The Israeli Connection, Pt. 1 For example, El-Batrawi owns a private company called Genesis Diversified Investments, which is an investor in a company called Aviation Group that in 2001 merged with a British Columbia company called Travelbyus. Lee Sanders, the chairman of Travelbyus is a director of Holiday. Riley is a former chief executive of Holiday and its largest shareholder. Riley also is among the largest shareholders of Imperial. Michael Farkas connections to right wing Israeli political parties, and to Israeli Mossad, have already been ably covered by others. Farkas was listed in 2005 as president of Manhigut USA. This is the US branch of the Israeli Manhigut Yehudit, involved in fundraising for the radical settlers who were trying to resist the Gaza withdrawal. Suffice it to say that he serves as the American representative of an ultra-nationalist Zionist party in Israel; he is also the American sales agent for anti-missile technology developed by Israel Aircraft Industries, and is a Director of spy technology company CCS, along with individuals with histories so colorful that were we to start we could go on about them all day. Oh, maybe just one example: CCS International's Latin American sales manager, Menachem Cohen, who was convicted in 2002 for illegally exporting passive phone interception equipment to individuals in Colombia conversant with the drug trade.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
bttt
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
Meet the Masters of the Universe What local officials blundered into at a remote airport in the farthest corner of Mexico's Yucatan may have earth-shaking reverberations felt around the world if the true story of what happened there becomes widely known... The seizure in Ciudad del Carmen has exposed the links of a global narcotics cartel that may be the most powerful political force on the planet. Based on court documents, SEC filings, records of incorporation, and interviews with eyewitnesses, the elements which comprise this global narcotics cartel all of which will be named and covered in this series include the following: Rogue U.S. defense contractor Titan Corp in San Diego; CIA proprietary airlines; fugitive Saudi billionaires, Gulf States Sheiks and financiers; the Israeli Mossad and right wing Israeli political parties identified with Jewish settler interests; "retired" officers of the CIA and U.S. military intelligence; Texas Republican kingmakers and private investment banks; member of U.S. organized crime... Also... stock swindlers in Vancouver, Canada responsible for multi-billion dollar financial fraud; officials from the party of Mexican President Vicente Fox; Colombian and Mexican drug cartels; Florida air charter companies which enjoy as did the Florida aviation companies associated with the terrorist hijackers apparent official immunity from prosecution; and Lebanese "industrialists" in Mexico known to the Mexican press as the Narco-Pederastas, for their penchant for molesting children, with apparent immunity from prosecution, both boys and girls, as young as four. --------------------------------
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I always figured Bush I invaded Panama because Noriega was keeping too much of the cut for himself. Turns out I was both essentially correct and shockingly naive.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
http://www.madcowprod.com/102204issue.htm Sunday Herald November 2, 2003: A French intelligence agency noted “according to the FBI, Arab terrorists and suspected terror cells lived in… Hollywood, Florida, from December 2000 to April 2001 in direct proximity to the Israeli spy cells”. The report contended that Mossad agents were spying on Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehi, two of leaders of the 9/11 hijack teams. Jim Margolin, an FBI spokesman in New York, implied that the public would never know the truth, saying: “If we found evidence of unauthorised intelligence operations that would be classified material.” http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707 BBC October 2, 2002: German newspaper Die Zeit… uncovered details of a major Israeli spy ring involving some a 120 agents for the intelligence service Mossad operating across America and some masquerading as arts students. The ring was reportedly hard on the heels of at least four members of the hijack gang, including its leader Mohammed Atta. But the Israeli agents were detected by their American counterparts and thrown out of the country, it says. Just a month before the deadly attacks, the paper said, Mossad handed over to the Americans a detailed report naming several suspects they believe were preparing an attack on the United States. 'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
That was very astute of you and so early on too.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
First thing I'd ask in flight school is how do I land this mutha?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Well, as a regular reader of High Times...
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I'm an electrical engineer (for over 20 years, now) with two years of a chemical engineering degree and a strong life-long (over 30 years now) interest in organic and inorganic chemistry and all types of physics. The evidence of an official and media coverup regarding 9/11 is astoundingly manifest.
So you would know if jet fuel burns hot enough to melt steel?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
This one is pretty good too. Rudy Cites 5 Mossad False Flags as Evidence of Islamic Terrorism
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Not in the WTC in under two hours (or ever, really), for you'd need a well- designed oven hidden inside there for that. But you might think you're just settting me up for the melt vs. soften argument. Believe me, you aren't. The fuel fire and reasonably expectable secondary fires were not enough to soften it appreciably, either.
Then that rules out anything other than controlled demolition, am I correct?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
No, I'm just kinda buzzed and asking questions.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Yes, but I loathe to have to point out here that it's not a demolition controlled by hitting the building with a plane and the subsequent expectable secondary effects of that.
Clinton on Iran: We would "totally obliterate them". ("IF I'M THE PRESIDENT, WE WILL ATTACK IRAN") Isn't it so exciting!?
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I remember watching that debate and thinking how much I wanted to get Dr Paul an earpiece like Mittsy and Guiboyardee had.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
That was a given, I guess my definition of Controlled Demolition is more textbook than yours.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
But Dr. Paul doesn't need an earpiece! He really was good in this one. Do check the analysis below the youtube. BALI LONDON MADRID MUNICH ATTACKS ACHILLES LAURO Ron Paul is trying to cut off the billions of dollars we send Israel each year. Rudy, John McCain, Obama, Clinton and basically everyone else running for office are Israel’s darlings. The difference is that Ron Paul wants to put America first, not some foreign nation that wants America to be a bankrupt warfare state.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I just break it down into two words and apply the broadest reasonable definition. It's somewhat of a redundant combination of words unless one can think in terms of an uncontrolled demolition, which is not a clear concept if one assumes, in the typical manner that I am accustomed to, that "demolitions" are always done on purpose. Also, if the buildings were designed to fall upon impact by the jets used then it would perhaps be a "controlled demolition" in a much stronger sense, but no one has discussed the design on this thread up to this point, so it's somewhat being compelled by you. It should be clear at this point that I am not a big fan of the phrase "controlled demolition."
Ok, then I wish I could have gotten him a mace. Let's see Rudy get all smug and giggly in the face of real opposition. See why I refuse to become a party delegate? Just wouldn't work.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Didn't know I had it in me.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
It's an easy thing to just toss out a cliche without much thought. I've done it too. Precision in communication is more desirable when the object is to make mutual progress.
You're expecting a reasoned rebuttal but I've already told you I have no basis for such on these technical matters, I was just asking your opinion.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I know.
I answered and also felt compelled to critique the question. Don't let my griping about being so compelled bother you. It's my problem, obviously not yours.
The Fires' Impact How the Towers' Fires Affected the Structural Steel As an exercise let's set aside all of the evidence about the actual severity of the Twin Towers' fires, and imagine that the fires were incredibly intense and widespread. Let's imagine that the jets were full tankers and spilled 80,000 gallons of fuel into each tower. Let's imagine that there was a strong wind giving the fires plenty of air. Let's imagine that the the fires engulfed over 10 floors in each tower, saturating the capacity of the steel buildings to draw away the heat. Let's imagine the fires burned intensely for hours, completely gutting several stories of each tower. Would that cause them to collapse? Not according to people who have studied steel structures subjected to such stresses. The following passage is from Appendix A of FEMA's World Trade Center Building Performance Study. In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments). This graph represents strength as a function of temperature, which is expressed in degrees Celsius (C). At temperatures above 800° C structural steel loses 90 percent of its strength. 1 Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble, as did the Twin Towers and Building 7. Why couldn't such dramatic reductions in the strength of the steel precipitate such total collapse events? * High-rise buildings are over-engineered to have strength many times greater than would needed to survive the most extreme conditions anticipated. It may take well over a ten-fold reduction in strength to cause a structural failure. * If a steel structure does experience a collapse due to extreme temperatures, the collapse tends to remain localized to the area that experienced the high temperatures. * The kind of low-carbon steel used in buildings and automobiles bends rather than shatters. If part of a structure is compromised by extreme temperatures, it may bend in that region, conceivably causing a large part of the structure to sag or even topple. However, there is no example of a steel structure crumbling into many pieces because of any combination of structural damage and heating, outside of the alleged cases of the Twin Towers and Building 7. 2 References 1. Effect of temperature profile, corusconstruction.com, [cached] 2. Fire Resistance of Steel Framed Car Parks, corusconstruction.com, [cached]
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Following Zakheim and Pentagon trillions to Israel and 9-11
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
If the reports, allegations, and rumors are true, the illegal drug trade is where the interests of the Bush family, the Clintons, the CIA and the Mossad all come together. This would explain the choice to invade and occupy Afghanistan, where opium production is now at record levels after having been nearly eradicated under the Taliban regime. I do not know why I missed this post, but thanks for pinging 9-11, robin. Dak, thanks for the post. Confirms everything I have come to understand about 9-11, and really leaves little to be surprised about anymore. The United States really is infested with murderers, thieves and scum. As to the drug connection, I would have been surprised if that were not the case. After all, the love of money is the root of all evil, and there is a LLLLOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT of money in drugs, legal or illegal. As to the Clintons and Bushs, well, after the queen is inaugerated, add the 8 years, and they will have been in charge for some 35 years within the United States. Nothing defines corruption quite so well as that.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
More good 9/11 reminders... 9/11 - Prior Knowledge - Put-Options September 11, 2001: Unusual volumes on Put Options just before the attack. Swiss study
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
What does it mean to be a citizen of "the land of the free and the home of the brave" if we allow our minds and our nation to be so easily hijacked by a pack of lies construed by a foreign power that terrorizes our citizens and extorts our government officials?
#2. To: Dakmar, *9-11*, *Israeli Espionage* (#0)
#3. To: nobody (#1)
#4. To: robin (#2)
(Edited)
#5. To: nobody (#4)
I'd still like to see some corroboration.
#6. To: robin (#2)
For those that missed it the first time, or like me, forget a lot of things:
#7. To: nobody (#4)
#8. To: angle (#5)
#9. To: Original_Intent (#7)
#10. To: nobody (#4)
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | August 10 2006
#11. To: Original_Intent (#7)
#12. To: robin (#10)
(Edited)
it was revealed that senior researcher on the piece Benjamin Chertoff is the cousin of Michael Chertoff
#13. To: nobody (#12)
(Edited)
#14. To: nobody (#12)
# ^ Odeo podcast with Popular Mechanics executive editor David Dunbar, contributing editor Brad Reagan and editor-in-chief Jim Meigs, August 22, 2006
#15. To: robin (#13)
If this is not true
#16. To: robin (#14)
(Edited)
#17. To: nobody, robin (#16)
#18. To: Dakmar (#17)
(Edited)
#19. To: robin (#10)
However Benjamin Chertoff's Mother, when asked about a possible relation, she said they "might be distant cousins."
#20. To: nobody, Dakmar (#16)
#21. To: nobody (#16)
#22. To: Dakmar, nobody (#19)
#23. To: TwentyTwelve (#21)
(Edited)
#24. To: nobody (#18)
#25. To: robin (#22)
(Edited)
it is not just Bollyn making this kinship claim
#26. To: nobody (#15)
Find someone who's interested in arguing the theory of relations there against you. I'm not the one.
#27. To: robin (#20)
#28. To: robin (#22)
And I still believe that if the Chertoffs wanted to, they could clear this up, but they don't seem interested or able.
#29. To: nobody (#25)
(Edited)
#30. To: robin (#26)
What a joke, you're the one who began the discussion about whether they were cousins.
#31. To: robin (#29)
(Edited)
there is still Watson, and Watson is not Bollyn
#32. To: Dakmar (#28)
Swiss my ass!
#33. To: nobody (#31)
#34. To: robin (#29)
(Edited)
I gave you the link that is the footnote in wiki for the source of the quote of the mother and it does not appear to be Bollyn.
#35. To: nobody (#34)
#36. To: robin (#33)
just trying ...
#37. To: robin (#35)
(Edited)
Go listen to it
#38. To: nobody, robin (#37)
#39. To: robin (#35)
(Edited)
I'm not your home online tutor.
#40. To: Dakmar (#38)
Sholom!
#41. To: Dakmar, *US is Proxy State For Israel*, *Israeli Espionage* (#0)
(Edited)
There are a number of indications that the Mossad is deeply involved in the Colombian drug trade. The horde of Mossad operatives who were disguised as Israeli art students in the years prior to 9-11 were known to have been targeting the offices and personnel of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA). Why would the Mossad be seeking to penetrate the DEA if it were not involved in drug smuggling?
#42. To: Dakmar (#0)
9-11 was a very sophisticated operation, as Werthebach said, which required the "fixed frame" of a state intelligence organization. It was carefully planned years in advance and carried out for one strategic purpose: to kick-start the Zionist-planned "war on terror."
#43. To: All (#41)
#44. To: robin (#41)
#45. To: All (#41)
(Edited)
#46. To: Dakmar (#44)
#47. To: robin (#45)
#48. To: robin (#46)
That was very astute of you and so early on too.
#49. To: Dakmar (#24)
(Edited)
I've always refrained from commenting on technical aspects of 9/11 because I'm not an engineer, architect, chemist, or aircraft aficianado.
#50. To: nobody (#49)
#51. To: Dakmar, *Black Ops - Psyops*, *Israeli Espionage* (#48)
#52. To: Dakmar (#50)
(Edited)
So you would know if jet fuel burns hot enough to melt steel?
#53. To: nobody (#52)
#54. To: nobody (#52)
But you might think you're just settting me up for the melt vs. soften argument.
#55. To: Dakmar (#53)
(Edited)
Then that rules out anything other than controlled demolition, am I correct?
#56. To: wbales (#42)
to kick-start the Zionist-planned "war on terror."
#57. To: robin (#51)
(Edited)
#58. To: nobody (#55)
Yes, but I loathe to have to point out here that it's not a demolition controlled by hitting the building with a plane and the subsequent secondary effects of that.
#59. To: Dakmar (#57)
Rudy refers to attacks on the Kuta Beach area in Bali in October 2002. Australian investigator Joe Vialls concluded that due to the extent of the damage, the bomb was placed in a sewer pipe in the roadbed. The only bomb that could fit and could cause that much damage would be a micro-nuke (SADM) which is only possessed by 5 countries; America, Britain, France, Israel & Russia. The Muslim world does not have access to the type of device detonated in Bali. He concludes; “the attack seems aimed at shifting Australian public opinion towards an attack on Iraq, or even an attack on Islam in general.” It was more than likely a device constructed in Dimona and detonated by Mossad.
The 2nd attack Rudy mentions is the 7/7 London bombings, which stink of Mossad False Flag from the get go. Like on 9/11, there were ‘drills’ being conducted which had terrorists sneaking fake bombs onto subways that morning. Meanwhile, innocent Muslim kids were no doubt recruited to participate in the fake terror attacks and carry live time bombs on the train. When the kid on the Bus realized what he had he tried to get away but too late.
Moderator Charlie Watson throws in ‘Madrid’ at this point, helping to pile on Paul, even though he’s supposed to be an objective moderator. Madrid was a textbook Mossad operation.
Rudy then mentions that Olympics attack in Munich in 1972, which was Absolutely a documented Mossad False Flag operation.
Leon Klinghoffer was a Jewish man thrown overboard to elicit sympathy for Israel. Guess what? Yes another Mossad False flag operation… in fact, here is a list of all the different ways Mossad has conducted war through Deception.
#60. To: Dakmar (#58)
(Edited)
I guess my definition of Controlled Demolition is more textbook than yours
#61. To: robin (#59)
But Dr. Paul doesn't need an earpiece! He really was good in this one.
#62. To: nobody (#60)
no one has discussed the design on this thread up to this point, so it's somewhat being compelled by you.
#63. To: Dakmar (#62)
(Edited)
#64. To: nobody (#63)
#65. To: Dakmar (#64)
(Edited)
I was just asking your opinion.
#66. To: Dakmar (#64)
(Edited)
I was just asking your opinion.
#67. To: Dakmar (#50)
So you would know if jet fuel burns hot enough to melt steel?
#68. To: tom007, Dakmar, *9-11*, *Israeli Espionage* (#67)
#69. To: robin, Dakmar, *Big Pharma* (#68)
Is the illegal drug business something the Bush's and Clinton's have had a hand in with Israel's Mossad?
#70. To: richard9151, *9-11* (#69)
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest