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Title: Obama's strange politics
Source: Cincinnati Post
URL Source: [None]
Published: Apr 26, 2008
Author: Star Parker
Post Date: 2008-04-26 13:09:37 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 2008
Comments: 116

Obama's strange politics

From:
Cincinnati Post (2007-Current)
Date:
August 11, 2007
Author:
Star Parker
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obama radical politics

It's been equal-opportunity week to attack Barack Obama because of his remarks that seemed to justify a U.S. invasion of Pakistan. Democrats and Republicans alike had a field day at the expense of the poor senator.

In the midst of all this, he addressed the annual meeting of the National Council of La Raza, and talked about realities at home. But those remarks, which I found at least as provocative and troubling, got little public attention.

NCLR is sort of the Hispanic NAACP.

Speaking before an audience of about 2,000, Obama, according to The Wall Street Journal, "compared last year's massive immigration rallies led by Hispanics to the civil-rights marches of African- Americans in the 1960s ..." Regarding the population of illegals in our country today, Obama assured the crowd that "I will never walk away from the 12 million undocumented immigrants ..."

How odd for a candidate for the presidency of the United States to include looking out for the interests of illegals as a campaign promise.

He appears to have already deemed these folks immigrants. The first and central question, that they arrived and remain here illegally, seems of secondary concern to the Illinois senator, a Harvard-trained lawyer. They are just "undocumented immigrants." We just haven't had a chance to get the paperwork done.

Obama is running as a new kind of politician. And it certainly is new for someone campaigning for our nation's highest office, aspiring to assume responsibilities to provide for our defense and to secure liberty for "ourselves," to see representation of the concerns of millions who are here illegally as part of those responsibilities. Can it be that Obama thinks he is running for secretary-general of the United Nations and not president of the United States?

How about his equating immigration rallies to the civil-rights movement of the 1960s?

The analogy is, to say the least, bizarre. And it again gives a sense that the senator's left-wing vision of the world is far closer to his heart than to our own Constitution and how it relates to our citizens.

The injustices that blacks suffered had to do with lack of equal treatment and due process of law for our own citizens because of their race.

The civil rights of blacks, U.S. citizens, protected under our Constitution, that were being violated were clear. What exactly are the rights of illegals that, according to Obama, are being violated? They have violated us, not we them.

The Washington Times reported recently about a heretofore-secret 2005 report done by the Drug Enforcement Administration that discusses Islamic radicals who are "camouflaging themselves as Hispanics while conducting business with violent drug-trafficking organizations." According to the report, "multiple Middle Eastern drug-trafficking and terrorist cells in the U.S. are funding terrorism networks overseas with the aid of Mexican cartels."

Do you get the idea that Barack Obama has some kind of strange idea about what it means to protect this country?

Obama seemed quite at home with the La Raza crowd, dishing out business-as-usual ethnic politics. After conjuring up the mother of all entitlements -- that anyone who can sneak in here is entitled to become a citizen -- he then assured them that virtually every aspect of their life would be benevolently protected by a government under his leadership.

But as Obama shared his vision of America as welfare state to this audience of Hispanics, he failed to also share that, as our nation's youngest ethnic demographic, they have the most to be concerned about regarding the shaky ground on which this welfare state stands.

According to the census bureau, 34 percent of the Hispanic population is under the age of 18. This compared to 32 percent of blacks and 22 percent of non-Hispanic whites.

So Hispanics, and blacks, will disproportionately get washed into the sea of red ink of Social Security and Medicare entitlements that we have promised future generations, but do not have the money to pay.

On the other side of the coin, Hispanics, and blacks, would disproportionately benefit today by being allowed to fund their own private retirement accounts in lieu of paying payroll taxes.

But they'll never hear this from Obama.

Star Parker is president of CURE, the Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education. Her e-mail address is

parker@urbancure.org.


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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Speaking before an audience of about 2,000, Obama, according to The Wall Street Journal, "compared last year's massive immigration rallies led by Hispanics to the civil-rights marches of African- Americans in the 1960s ..." Regarding the population of illegals in our country today, Obama assured the crowd that "I will never walk away from the 12 million undocumented immigrants ..."

what?? what??? omg, you cannot compare the civil rights marches by blacks in the 60s (americans for crissakes) to the 12 million ILLEGALS!!!! this is outrageous treachery to america and americans.

christine  posted on  2008-04-26   13:16:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: *North American Union*, *Obama 2008*, *Obama Reality Check* (#0)

christine  posted on  2008-04-26   13:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#1) (Edited)

Reagan granted amnesty to millions and no one blinked.

McCain still not listening to the people

Mar. 30, 2008 12:00 AM After the defeat of his "comprehensive" illegal-immigration bill last year, Sen. John McCain says that he got the message and will now listen to the will of the people.

The reason that the bill was defeated was because it contained a provision to allow those here illegally to stay here, a concept called "amnesty."

Now the senator says that, to heed the will of the people, his first priority is to secure our border from illegal trespass, while in the same breath telling us that the illegals who have succeeded in sneaking in (or who have overstayed their visas) should be allowed to remain and given a path to citizenship.

After all, he says, they are "God's children," too.

We, the people to whom he now says he is listening, have clearly told him that we don't want any form of amnesty, so how can he be "listening" to us?

If it is O.K. with him for the 20 million, or more, individuals now residing here illegally to be rewarded with what they broke our law to obtain, why is it now his first priority to make sure that no more do the same?

In my view, that's being pretty discriminatory.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-26   13:20:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#0)

Obama addresses La Raza

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   13:21:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#2)

He's just saying what the other two cretins would implement.

Lod  posted on  2008-04-26   13:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

The injustices that blacks suffered had to do with lack of equal treatment and due process of law for our own citizens because of their race.

The civil rights of blacks, U.S. citizens, protected under our Constitution, that were being violated were clear. What exactly are the rights of illegals that, according to Obama, are being violated? They have violated us, not we them.

You know, he should've explained this to the bitter folks in PA too.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   13:22:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#2)

Dallas

Chicago


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   13:23:47 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: robin (#3)

Reagan granted amnesty to millions and no one blinked.

You support a racist Marxist North American Unioner which makes you a blinker or something worse. Much worse.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   13:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Peppa (#6)

You know, he should've explained this to the bitter folks in PA too.

I'm not here. Don't even know how I got here.

Am I logged in?


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   13:27:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All (#4)

RACISM IN CHICAGO:
La Raza is a Spanish, racist publication based in Chicago. These people publish a newspaper and a website.

"La Raza" translated to English:
SPANISHLa Raza
ENGLISHTHE RACE

Americans speak English - use your language, and always properly title this racist group - "The Race!" When I speak about this racist group - I title them "The Race, a. k. a. La Raza."

You must agree, a group which titles itself "THE RACE" must be a racist group with racist ideals.

La Raza, a.k.a. THE RACE'S MOTTO translated to English:
SPANISHFor La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada
ENGLISHFor those in the race everything, for those outside the race - nothing.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   13:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FOH (#9)

I'm not here. Don't even know how I got here.

Am I logged in?

Well then someone is here as you.

LOL!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   13:30:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

I get the sense they don't like people that don't look like them.

I guess it's an epidemic now.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   13:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#10)



What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   13:31:45 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Peppa (#6)

He is unquestionably the largest bag of walking human excrement I've come across. If we can dig up these gems on this turd, can you imagine what the RNC will be able to turn up? His racism assures McKooK will be our next president.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   13:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Peppa (#11)


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   13:33:09 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: robin (#3)

Reagan granted amnesty to millions and no one blinked.

McCain still not listening to the people

but, robin, no one here is defending reagan or mcCain.

christine  posted on  2008-04-26   13:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: christine (#16)

The point is that McCain and Hillary have nothing better to offer. That all 3 are not going to hurt their chances at the polls with the Latino vote.

So why just go after Obama on this issue (and every other I might add)?

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-26   13:35:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

The RNC doesn't like white American males any more than B.H.O. does...Juan McKook is just as bad as is the Stalinist murdering dyke that was selected to be the first womanoid preznit.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   13:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: christine, robin (#16)

but, robin, no one here is defending reagan or mcCain.

I will, I love McCain, he used to take me out drinking and we'd beat up hookers. ,

Wow, probably shouldn't have said that.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   13:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#16)

but, robin, no one here is defending reagan or mcCain.

Good luck with reason or intellectual honesty with any of the Ophiles.

That streak runs through them and no man can remove it...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   13:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: robin (#17)

So why just go after Obama on this issue

All three are unfit.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   13:37:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Dakmar (#19)

Are you all hopped up on drugs?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   13:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: robin (#17) (Edited)

So why just go after Obama on this issue (and every other I might add)?

Nice try. Actual Americans (iow, not Ophiles) have been bashing the cow and the quisling for a LONG time.

Johnny Come Obama is the new, stealthier quisling for the figurative wood chipper.

That you don't get it is disingenuous at best, dastardly deviancy at worst...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   13:39:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull, nolu_chan (#21)

nolu_chan's list of choices:

The major GOP accomplishments are aiding and abetting a psycho.

We are left with four choices:

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-26   13:40:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: All (#20)

Shelby Steele - Race and the Obama Campaign - Click Me

Geraldine Ferraro: Obama "Very Lucky To Be Who He Is"

Former vice presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro, who appeared on the Democratic ticket in 1984, is the latest high-profile figure to cause a stir with comments about one of the Democratic presidential frontrunners.


“If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

If Obama were Italian, the Os would have bailed months ago.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   13:40:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: robin, nolu_chan (#24)

n_c is a "Progressive" IRS-worshipping boot licker.

Figures you two 'hang' together...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   13:41:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#25)

Nonsense, we would have stayed just for the better opera.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-26   13:41:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: robin (#27)

Did you start hanging out at DemocRATic Underground before or after you latched onto Christine?


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   13:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

He is unquestionably the largest bag of walking human excrement I've come across. If we can dig up these gems on this turd, can you imagine what the RNC will be able to turn up? His racism assures McKooK will be our next president.

That's what it looks like. I doubt he'll be the nominee, but if that is the case, and Hillary takes him now, it's hard to see it play well. Though I know there is the contention that Clinton/Obama wins in a landslide. Don't know about that. Edwards is waiting in the wings.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   13:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: robin (#27)

Nonsense, we would have stayed just for the better opera.

The constitutional robin would have then.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   13:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: FOH (#15)

:P

It's good they've come out of the shadows./s

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   13:45:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Are you all hopped up on drugs?

Goofballs! They're called goofballs, get it straight!

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   13:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: robin (#24)

The major GOP accomplishments are aiding and abetting a psycho.

We are left with four choices:

Admit it, you like charades.

You actually like playing the Establishment's game and pretending you have a voice in their selections.

Maybe you're just stupid. That could be it. Never thought of that I guess.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   13:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: FOH, robin (#33) (Edited)

Maybe you're just stupid. That could be it. Never thought of that I guess.

Boy, Robin could whip your ass in a battle of wits so fast you'd wish you were back in your momma's womb sucking someone else's thumb.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   13:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull, ALL (#34)

Shelby Steele - Race and the Obama Campaign

christine  posted on  2008-04-26   13:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: All (#35)

White Guilt tube

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   14:00:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Dakmar (#34)

Boy, Robin could whip your ass in a battle of wits so fast you'd wish you were back in your momma's womb sucking someone else's thumb.

Little willie, I have seen no evidence that Ophiles have anything to offer but public mental masturbation...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   14:01:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: FOH (#37)

So post some more pictures from FrontPageMag, prove me wrong.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   14:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: FOH, all, *Obama Reality Check* (#33)

SHOCKING Obama audio: anti-White speech from his own mouth


TRANSCRIPT:

"That's just how white folks will do you. It wasn't merely the cruelty involved. It was a particular brand of arrogance, an obtuseness in otherwise sane people that brought forth our bitter laughter. It was as if whites didn't know they were being cruel in the first place. Or at least thought you deserving of their scorn. White folks."

Obama writing about Malcom X

"Only Malcolm X's autobiography seemed to offer something different. His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me; the blunt poetry of his words, his unadorned insistence on respect, promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline, forged through sheer force of will. All the other stuff, the talk of blue-eyed devils and apocalypse, was incidental to that program, I decided, religious baggage that Malcolm himself seemed to have safely abandoned toward the end of his life. And yet, even as I imagined myself following Malcolm's call, one line in the book stayed me. He spoke of a wish he'd once had, the wish that the white blood that tan through him, there by an act of violence, might somehow be expunged. I knew that, for Malcolm, that wish would never be incidental. I knew as well that traveling down the road to self- respect my own white blood would never recede into mere abstraction. I was left to wonder what else I would be severing if and when I left my mother and my grandparents at some uncharted border." [p.86, Dreams of my father]

"Any distinction between good and bad whites held negligible meaning."

"We were always playing on the white man's court.by the white man's rules."

www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/? p=81

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   14:05:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Peppa (#39)

It was as if whites didn't know they were being cruel in the first place. Or at least thought you deserving of their scorn. White folks - Obama

As they recently said in Pennsylvania, "Up yours, Barry"

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   14:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Dakmar (#38)

So post some more pictures from FrontPageMag, prove me wrong.

That's the best you have?


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   14:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jethro Tull (#40)

As they recently said in Pennsylvania, "Up yours, Barry"

Without a teleprompter, he's not that quick on his feet. Pretty sad.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   14:10:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: FOH (#41)

That's the best you have?

Works for now.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   14:10:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Peppa (#39)

It's actually comical the list of 4umers that have fallen for the Establishment's game (did they really have to fall?) and most particularly this racist Marxist stain of a man...BHO.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   14:12:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Dakmar (#43)

Works for now.

Lame.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   14:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: christine (#35)

I had not seen this. Excellent tube, excellent points. For Obama, his campaign is totally about race.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   14:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Peppa (#39)

It's it odd that he dedicates a book to his father who abandoned him as a 2 year old? Yet he has no problem tossing his white grandmother under the racial bus, dismissing her as a typical white person.

He's a wickedly bad person.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   14:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Jethro Tull (#47)

He's a wickedly bad person.

He's horrible. His supporters, informed ones such as the resident 4umOphiles, have no excuses other than they're as bad or worse.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   14:16:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull (#36) (Edited)

This is really something. I watched a few Farrakan (sp) speeches after I learned he had received an award from the Trinity church. This kid in your vid really nails a specific point that Calypso Louis loves to hammer.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   14:18:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Peppa (#49)

I'm ready to take Calypso Louis up on his vision of separate but equal. Let's do it for real this this time, see who comes out on top.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   14:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: robin (#24)

nolu_chan's list of choices:

The major GOP accomplishments are aiding and abetting a psycho

So his option is to vote for more Ds?

They've controlled congress for two years and have accomplished nothing.

The House alone could defund this war Monday morning, but they wont.

The system is what it is; the parts are interchangeable.

Who was the last politician you supported who spoke so glowingly about La Raza?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   14:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull (#51)

The Establishment plays the sheeple down the NeoCommie/NeoCon funnel. Look who takes the bait (and puts it out).

What amazes me is that in4umed people are actually Communist pigeons choosing to come out feeling that with BHO it is safe.

Other in4umed people it turns out are just more idiot sheeple...without NeoCommies, NeoCons would not be an alternative for the sheeple.

One more round please! The last round that is.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   14:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Dakmar (#50)

I'm ready to take Calypso Louis up on his vision of separate but equal.

I'm with you on this. Forcible state integration is a disaster, and when people are offered a choice, most will naturally gravitate to their own race. I don't see this as a good thing or a bad thing, it is what it is, human nature. I've read countless studies that support that statement, but I don't feel like digging up the links at this time.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   14:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull (#51)

The House alone could defund this war Monday morning, but they wont.

Not voting won't change that. Neither will voting. Do you know how to do a Rockford style J-Turn in a 15 passenger van?

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   14:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull (#51)

They've controlled congress for two years and have accomplished nothing.

The House alone could defund this war Monday morning, but they wont.

So...2006 was just a bunch of rhetoric??!!

Say it ain't so!! lolol


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   14:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: FOH (#44)

It's actually comical the list of 4umers that have fallen for the Establishment's game (did they really have to fall?) and most particularly this racist Marxist stain of a man...BHO.

Seems their whole argument is, he's not McCain or Hillary. That's not much incentive, when you know the guy wants to tax you more, can't stop the war, supports alien parasites, supports gun control, supports partial birth abortion, considers hate speech acceptable in his 'church', but outrageous when Imus stumbled -- so he's a flaming hipocrit, and sort of regrets choosing the wrong words calling people bitter for clinging to old time tom foolery such as religion and guns. see we are just too stupid to understand the transition from the Old America to the New Global Plantation.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. www.huffingtonpost.com/ma...r/obama-no-surprise-that- ha_b_96188.html

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   14:30:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Dakmar (#54)

Not voting won't change that. Neither will voting.

And yet, amazingly, 4umers have globbed onto a racist Marxist North American Union-loving Establishment tool to market.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha!


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   14:31:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Jethro Tull (#53)

Forcible state integration is a disaster, and when people are offered a choice, most will naturally gravitate to their own race.

As was forced segregation. Social engineering is the problem, it uses force to negate human nature - a losing proposition from the get-go. And why would anyone want to? Oh yeah...phase three: profit!

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   14:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Jethro Tull (#47)

It's it odd that he dedicates a book to his father who abandoned him as a 2 year old? Yet he has no problem tossing his white grandmother under the racial bus, dismissing her as a typical white person.

He's a wickedly bad person.

Thanks Gramma!

Change! What a wunnerful pipedream.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   14:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Peppa (#56)

Peppa, the Ophiles are "Exhibit A" in a study of how Liberal Progressive Communists roped the sheeple into the Establishment's ever leftward movement proffering the "Lesser of 2 Evils"...I blame these in4umed folks that knowingly continue to market for the Establishment.

Useful idiots or master manipulators from the way back RAT-Commie School of long term change?


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   14:33:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Dakmar (#50)

I'm ready to take Calypso Louis up on his vision of separate but equal. Let's do it for real this this time, see who comes out on top.

Sounds good to me.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   14:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Dakmar (#58)

As was forced segregation.

I agree totally. It goes against every tenant of freedom. Ironically, had wicked America not tossed Jim Crow into the barn fire, Obama wouldn't be here, as he is the product of both races.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   14:35:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Dakmar (#58)

phase three: profit!

Control

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   14:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: FOH (#57)

And yet, amazingly, 4umers have globbed onto a racist Marxist North American Union-loving Establishment tool to market

Like I've said 100 times already, it's always open season on candidates, but attacks on their supporters just drives the wedge deeper. Misguided as they may be, I think most Obama supporters honestly believe him to be less likely to start new wars than the other two morons being hailed by the establishment.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   14:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Peppa (#63)

Phase One: Steal Underwear

Phase Two: ???

Phase Three: Profit!!!

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   14:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: FOH (#60)

Peppa, the Ophiles are "Exhibit A" in a study of how Liberal Progressive Communists roped the sheeple into the Establishment's ever leftward movement proffering the "Lesser of 2 Evils"...I blame these in4umed folks that knowingly continue to market for the Establishment.

The lesser of two or three in this case, is shoved down our throats again and again, and it'll probably work again thanks to partisan nuttery or race. I wish people could pull their head out of their butt and realize all rides lead to the same cliff.

Useful idiots or master manipulators from the way back RAT-Commie School of long term change?

Here's the thing..... those that will benefit from the status quo, or have nothing to lose when we are no more, might be the most ardent cheerleaders for this BS. There's a reason... they're just not telling.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   14:44:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Dakmar (#64)

Misguided as they may be, I think most Obama supporters honestly believe him to be less likely to start new wars than the other two morons being hailed by the establishment.

I get that, but given the political trail we've all taken over the years, to openly support a man who is so hard left in his domestic policy, is a shock. I agree w/Steele and Ferraro; if he were a white guy from Chicago, he'd have been lost in the shuffle with Kucinich and Gravel.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   14:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Dakmar (#65)

Phase One: Steal Underwear

Phase Two: ???

Phase Three: Profit!!!

Phase One: Smoke Underwear

Phase Two: ??? where's my underwear?

Phase Three: I'm an excellent driver.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   14:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Peppa (#68)

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   14:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Dakmar (#69)

LOL! Ah.. I get it now. Poor Kenny.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   14:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Obama assured the crowd that "I will never walk away from the 12 million undocumented immigrants ..."

Well Oblama, how about if WE just walk away from YOU ahole!!!!!!!!!!!! What freeking alledged former RP supporter could ever support this guy or one of the other 2 clowns????????????????????????????

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

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"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-04-26   16:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Peppa (#70)

Poor Kenny.

Breaks my heart. Nearly every episode, the little guy buys it...

South Park Zone

Just say NO to cheesing !


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   16:14:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: IndieTX (#71)

What freeking alledged former RP supporter could ever support this guy or one of the other 2 clowns????????????????????????????

Yes, but their run on 4um was very instructive IMO...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   16:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: FOH (#72)

ROFL, Ginger Kids....

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-26   16:34:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: IndieTX (#71)

His support is counter to everything we've learned about politics and each other.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-26   16:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: FOH, robin, Mudboy Slim (#26)

n_c is a "Progressive" IRS-worshipping boot licker.

FOH is a clueless Regressive.

It is no secret around the web that I voted for W, and I recall specifically recall telling Mudboy Slim on FU.

I have voted third party for prez. I have voted GOP. I have never, ever voted for a DEM for prez. After the second psychotic term of Bush, I will not support the GOP this time.

As with most of your rants, your thought process appears to spring from the same sense of logic as Pavlov's dog.

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-04-26   19:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: nolu_chan (#76)

SPAM


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   19:37:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: FOH (#77)

SPAM

gas

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-04-26   19:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: nolu_chan (#78)

gas

boot licker...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   19:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: robin (#24)

We are left with four choices:

* Vote for a psycho.
* Vote for a DEM.
* Vote for someone who will not win.
* Stay home.

I think option C is best. Vote for someone who won't win. That's because even if they don't win, voting for them makes a statement. Voting for the least of 3 evils won't do any "least of evil" good anyway since your vote is, at best, one vote in 130 million. Odds of you making a difference are a lot less than your getting struck by lightning sometime next week.

Because of the chance of your vote having an impact on who wins is so electron-microscopically small, it's better spent making a statement in favor of a non-winner.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-26   20:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Pinguinite (#80)

I think option C is best. Vote for someone who won't win. That's because even if they don't win, voting for them makes a statement. Voting for the least of 3 evils won't do any "least of evil" good anyway since your vote is, at best, one vote in 130 million. Odds of you making a difference are a lot less than your getting struck by lightning sometime next week.

Because of the chance of your vote having an impact on who wins is so electron-microscopically small, it's better spent making a statement in favor of a non-winner.

well said. i wholeheartedly agree.

christine  posted on  2008-04-26   20:22:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: christine (#81)

body snatchers bump


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   20:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Dakmar (#64)

I think most Obama supporters honestly believe him to be less likely to start new wars than the other two morons being hailed by the establishment.

That is certainly my position. Of the 3, he's the least known.

What was that game show from the 70's where you can either take the prize they display or take whatever the hell they put behind curtain B.

Sorry, but given the death and destruction Cain has on display as a prize for America and the world. I'll take curtain B.

And while we don't know what he'll do about Iraq, it remains to O's credit that he was against invading Iraq before the whole mess started. Back when the majority voted for it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-26   20:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Pinguinite, angle (#83)

What was that game show from the 70's where you can either take the prize they display or take whatever the hell they put behind curtain B.

Beat The Devil?

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   20:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Dakmar (#84)

It was "Let's Make a Deal"

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-26   20:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Pinguinite, angle (#85)

I know, I was just playing off a joke I made earlier today about man named Faust employed at Harvard U in some capacity.

Let's Make A Deal is earily similar to that theme, however.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   21:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Pinguinite (#85)

Beat the Devil (1953 film) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Beat the Devil is a 1953 film directed by John Huston and starring Humphrey Bogart. It was co-authored by Huston and Truman Capote, and loosely based upon a novel of the same name by British critic Claud Cockburn, writing under the pseudonym James Helvick. It was intended by Huston as a tongue-in-cheek spoof of his earlier masterpiece, The Maltese Falcon, and of films of its genre.

Knew I'd heard that phrase somewhere.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-26   21:02:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Pinguinite, robin (#80)

I think option C is best. Vote for someone who won't win. That's because even if they don't win, voting for them makes a statement.

I believe about 19 million of us made that statement with Perot. The response was to make it more difficult for a third party to repeat that embarrassment to the major parties. If we had a None of the Above on the ballot, that might gain the most votes. In the Dem primary in MI, 237,762 people (40%) bothered to go to the poll to cast a vote for "uncommitted" which appeared on the ballot.

The simple fact remains that we will get A or B.

If we find A may cause terminal illness, while B is likely to only cause serious illness, we may choose to vote against A (or vice versa). It is not picking the best option, but rejecting the worst option.

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-04-26   21:31:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: nolu_chan (#88)

The simple fact remains that we will get A or B.

If we find A may cause terminal illness, while B is likely to only cause serious illness, we may choose to vote against A (or vice versa). It is not picking the best option, but rejecting the worst option.

That's the argument the RNC made while lefties and 'moderates' selected Juan McTraitor for the pubbie wing of the CFR Party nomination...what a load.

Ophiles. The other Marxists...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-26   21:38:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: nolu_chan (#76)

Interesting, n_c, I didn't realize you had voted for Dubyuh. I don't blame you for being disappointed, but I reckon we have different reasons for being pissed off at the guy...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-26   21:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: nolu_chan (#88)

The simple fact remains that we will get A or B.

If we find A may cause terminal illness, while B is likely to only cause serious illness,

yep

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-26   22:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: christine (#16)

but, robin, no one here is defending reagan or mcCain.

No, you're all just attempting to crucify Obama for the same stances that both of the other candidates and almost all the defeated candidates hold.

Don't you realize how irrational you sound?

BTW, RP never made an issue of illegal immigration. Why?

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-27   19:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: iconoclast (#92)

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Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-27   19:10:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: iconoclast (#92)

No, you're all just attempting to crucify Obama for the same stances that both of the other candidates and almost all the defeated candidates hold.

no, we're attempting to get at the truth about Obama. we ALL know the others are dogs. there's no one here attempting to make them out to be something they're not. if our attempts at truth seeking and fact checking and expressing our opinion sounds irrational to you, so be it. that's your opinion.

christine  posted on  2008-04-27   19:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: iconoclast (#92)

No, you're all just attempting to crucify Obama for the same stances that both of the other candidates and almost all the defeated candidates hold.

you just defeated your own argument, iconoclast. i thought you and the other o'philes were trying to tell us he is different than all the others.

christine  posted on  2008-04-27   19:23:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: iconoclast (#92)

No, you're all just attempting to crucify Obama for the same stances that both of the other candidates and almost all the defeated candidates hold.

Don't you realize how irrational you sound?

BTW, RP never made an issue of illegal immigration. Why?

Pantload, as already pointed out to you above.

All of McHillObama should be crucified right up through the top of the Amerikan quisling chain to their Masters...not supported or legitimized in any way!

On top of that, this racist Marxist you love so much is lying to your face and you guys all lap it up.

So, you really were never what you claimed to be and only worked to subvert the r3VOLution...to this moment.

Feh


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   19:25:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: christine (#95)

you just defeated your own argument, iconoclast. i thought you and the other o'philes were trying to tell us he is different than all the others.

They're frauds.

The question is why...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   19:26:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: christine (#95)

I just got done canvassing for Obama today. I've been out going door to door all weekend. We have changed allot of registrations for the Oregon Primary and there is a great deal of enthusiasum for Barack out there.

One old man who is voting Republican was sceptical at first about me taking his registration buit was won over by the fact I was willing to stand and listen to his point of view on McCain whom he tears up over (concerning his alleged heroism.)

We take registrations for everyone and turn all of them in as a curtesy to the process. I like the floks I have been working with and they are very very well organized and know what they are doing.

There is a picture of Ron Paul up in the office of the Eugene coordinator and I asked why she had had it taken (It is with her.) She said he was the only real Republican who has been in the race.

He is different, in a good way and I am proud top support Senator Obama for the office of the Presidency of the United States.


Eugene, Oregon, Host of the 2008 U.S. Olympic Trials

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-27   19:40:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Ferret Mike (#98)

I am proud top support Senator Obama for the office of the Presidency of the United States.

Obama, McCain, Clinton--I would be proud to support the people pulling the rope on any (or all) of them. Not a one in that bunch fit to be elected to the position of dog catcher, yet we are expected to believe that a country with a population approaching 300 million people can't do any better than that? BS!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-27   19:46:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: James Deffenbach (#99)

hunnerd


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   19:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: James Deffenbach (#99)

I always thought it a shame FDR did not get William O. Douglas for his VP his forth term as he had wanted as Truman was a mediocre party hack who made a lousy POTUS.

I also thought that Wayne Morse in 1060 would of made and excellent president. But this time we do have aq good choice with Senator Obama running, and when he gets in office, he will prove it. I have confidence in him.


Eugene, Oregon, Host of the 2008 U.S. Olympic Trials

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-27   19:50:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Ferret Mike (#101)

I always thought it a shame FDR did not get

electrocuted as a child when he stuck his finger in the electrical outlet. One less commie in the world and one that did a LOT of damage to this country.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-27   20:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: James Deffenbach (#102)

I always thought it a shame FDR did not get

electrocuted as a child when he stuck his finger in the electrical outlet. One less commie in the world and one that did a LOT of damage to this country.

That SOB did us up and planted Communism for good in America...


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   20:37:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: James Deffenbach (#102)

Sorry, put I don't have the same Pavlovian response to the word Communist as you. FDR was a great man and no communist.

Believe what you want to, but I don't buy it.


Eugene, Oregon, Host of the 2008 U.S. Olympic Trials

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-27   20:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Ferret Mike (#104)

Sorry, put I don't have the same Pavlovian response to the word Communist as you. FDR was a great man and no communist.

Believe what you want to, but I don't buy it.

The fact that he was one of the main instigators of many communist programs doesn't cause you to think that he may have been more than just a bit fond of the guy he called Uncle Joe? You do know that he really, really liked Stalin and that many of the people in his cabinet were communists--or did you not know that? I thought that almost everyone who knew much about that period of history knew that he was sympathetic to the communists but maybe you missed those lessons.

As for whether you "buy" anything or not, I am not selling anything. Just posting a few facts now and then to offset some of the bs/agitprop that gets posted on behalf of communists and unAmerican freaks like those the establishment picks for their figureheads and folks like you think are wonderful people.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-27   20:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: James Deffenbach (#105)

Ease up on Corn Flaker.

They caint heppit...

BTW, the original 911 was Pearl Harbor and that led to the bogus Cold War in which Communists spent decades effing us up, to the point we're at now with another NAU selection barreling toward us.

FDR->Alger Hiss->UN->World Communist Order


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   21:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: James Deffenbach (#105)

My name may be Michael Joseph McCarthy, but I don't find commies under every rock as my name sake did.

FDR inherited a horrible situation. Coolidge and Hoover had left the country in a horrible way. I don't care of you found his solutions too collective for your taste, FDR did a good job redistributing wealth - something that should be done today - and did a good job getting America working again.

I found some of his views elitist and didn't like some things about the man, but on the balance we were lucky to have him. He was a very good POTUS.


Eugene, Oregon, Host of the 2008 U.S. Olympic Trials

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-27   21:04:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: FOH (#106)

Lay off the name calling please. It's 'ferret,' 'Ferret Mike,' or Mike McCarthy.

I have used IsherwoodWilliams/3PantherEightieDuce/Bicyclethug and countless nicks disrupting at Free Republic.

LP is a forum I used to post at. Don't tie me in there. I am not trying to provoke you, please stay in a similar modus. Thanks.


Eugene, Oregon, Host of the 2008 U.S. Olympic Trials

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-27   21:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Ferret Mike (#108)

Lay off the name calling please. It's 'ferret,' 'Ferret Mike,' or Mike McCarthy.

I have used IsherwoodWilliams/3PantherEightieDuce/Bicyclethug and countless nicks disrupting at Free Republic.

LP is a forum I used to post at. Don't tie me in there. I am not trying to provoke you, please stay in a similar modus. Thanks.

heheheh


FOH  posted on  2008-04-27   21:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Ferret Mike (#107)

FDR inherited a horrible situation.

And the old sob's answer was to chop up the Constitution and cast it out the windows of the White House in bits and pieces. The same answer as Lincoln and Wilson had and the same as many since them have had. There is no wonder America is going down the tubes, the wonder is that it has lasted as long as it has.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-28   8:32:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Jethro Tull (#93)

Your cut and paste.

Your reading comprehension lets you down again.

I have maintained all the way back before he dropped out that he simply did not address ANY of the issues that the electorate gave a damn about ... choosing again and again to lecture them on Constitution 101.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-28   12:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: James Deffenbach (#110)

And the old sob's answer was to chop up the Constitution and cast it out the windows of the White House in bits and pieces. The same answer as Lincoln and Wilson had and the same as many since them have had. There is no wonder America is going down the tubes, the wonder is that it has lasted as long as it has.

well said...and how about the that pesky little factoid that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance.

christine  posted on  2008-04-28   12:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: christine, James Deffenbach (#112)

well said...and how about the that pesky little factoid that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance.

The Original American 911.

Dragged us into a war that 80% of America wanted no part of.

Led to the World Communists setting up shrine on Rockefeller property in NY.

The deeply entrenched moorings of the perpetual Warfare-Welfare State were set.

Exactly 60 years apart save for a few months...FDR worship and adoration is an early warning sign for me.


FOH  posted on  2008-04-28   12:50:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: christine (#94)

if our attempts at truth seeking and fact checking

Oh, how I have misjudged y'all .... consider me appropriately humbled.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-28   12:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: iconoclast (#114)

No, you're all just attempting to crucify Obama for the same stances that both of the other candidates and almost all the defeated candidates hold.

you ought be humbled by that illuminating declaration.

christine  posted on  2008-04-28   13:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: christine (#112)

well said...and how about the that pesky little factoid that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance.

Thank you. You know what happens when you bring up his complicity or foreknowledge of that "sneak attack." His supporters huff and puff and get all overcome with a case of the vapors even though that has been proven over and over. Those who worship at the altar of FDR will never accept the truth about their hero, just keep yammering about what a wonderful man and great hero he was.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-28   13:56:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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