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Title: In North Carolina, Clinton Closes To Within 5 Of Obama
Source: http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=d4d1bc7e-3
URL Source: http://surveyusa.com
Published: Apr 29, 2008
Author: surveyusa.com
Post Date: 2008-04-29 16:22:04 by RickyJ
Keywords: None
Views: 513
Comments: 43

In North Carolina, Clinton Closes To Within 5 Of Obama: In a Democratic Primary in North Carolina today, 04/29/08, one week till votes are counted, the 10-point lead that Barack Obama has had for two months is halved, to now 5 points, Obama 49%, Clinton 44%, according to SurveyUSA's 7th tracking poll, conducted exclusively for WTVD-TV Raleigh. In SurveyUSA last four polls, over the past two months, Obama has led by 10, 8, 10, and 9 points. Today: 5. White voters are key. Since January, Clinton had led among Carolina whites by 14, 19, 17, 22 and 23 points. But today, suddenly: 31. In the Research Triangle, Clinton is up 9 points, week-on-week; Obama is down 3; a net swing of 12 points to Clinton. Among unaffiliated voters, Clinton has overtaken Obama for the first time in 2008, though the difference is small and within the sub-group's margin of sampling error. The two tie among Moderates. Obama leads slightly among Liberals. Clinton leads slightly among Conservatives. There is enough cross-current in the political waters that SurveyUSA's final pre-Primary poll, next week, may show more movement -- though in which direction it is impossible to know.

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#2. To: RickyJ (#0)

Let's hear another round of Wright associating his rhetoric with all Black churches.. that ought to play well before the next primary. Maybe he is helping Hillary. Considering Obama's church of choice for 20 years, it makes me wonder how he made it the Senate in the first place.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-29   16:28:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Considering Obama's church of choice for 20 years, it makes me wonder how he made it the Senate in the first place.

Chicago machine politics. That is how you get into the State House in Illinois.

It just doesn't play at the national level.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-29   16:31:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's so funny :)

Apparently, the same people who so strongly believed that their Ron Paul was going to grab the stupid GOP nomination and become our president are now into a very intense anti-Obama (mamma) fit, convinced that he would lose, probably because their belief is so intense.

Like in the case of Ron Paul, they are going to be mightily disappointed. Obama is nearly-certain to beat Hillary (check the numbers) and he is very likely to mop the floor with McCain.

But... what the heck. The Prez election are scheduled for November so there's 7-8 months worth of strong emoting ahead. I'm wondering what's after that. Maybe some kind of Iran nuking watch going through Jan. 20 of 2009?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-29   16:39:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Apparently, the same people who so strongly believed that their Ron Paul was going to grab the stupid GOP nomination and become our president are now into a very intense anti-Obama (mamma) fit, convinced that he would lose, probably because their belief is so intense.

You have your analysis backwards.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-29   16:56:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I disagree. :))))))

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-29   16:58:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The rabid Ron Paul people became rabid Obama supporters.

That's how your analysis is backwards.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-29   17:01:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The rabid Ron Paul people became rabid Obama supporters.

That's how your analysis is backwards.

I don't think so.

Some of the formerly irrational 'Paul will win' or 'Paul can win' (the GOP nomination) seem to be present on this very thread.

I, speaking for myself, initially dismissed the Obama candidacy as yet another Negro running to make us all guilty for not giving the Negroes what they so richly deserved. It turns out that I was wrong. Dr. Obama is a well-educated, mentally-balanced person who dedicated much of his life to public service and he seem to even guide himself by moral principles. When compared to the other 2 still in the running, he is clearly superior. He is not the greatest man that ever lived since Jesus Christ but, as a politician, he is way above average.

Oh, I disagree with him on many issues but I agree that either Clinton or McCain are likely to further ruin this country. I don't believe that Obama is going to further ruin it and that is why I hope he gets the job he's seeking.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-29   17:09:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Dr. Obama is a well-educated, mentally-balanced person who dedicated much of his life to public service and he seem to even guide himself by moral principles. When compared to the other 2 still in the running, he is clearly superior. He is not the greatest man that ever lived since Jesus Christ but, as a politician, he is way above average.

Dr. Obama? Just when did he earn a PhD? A JD does not make one a "Doctor".

If Obama is so superior, then how can he possibly have such abysmally poor judgment in so many ways?

You've been hoodwinked. You've been had. You've been took. You've been led astray, run amuck, flim-flammed. You've been bamboozled.

As for Paul, well, would have been nice, but most of the realists (like yours truly) understood that the best he could have done is to come in somewhere in the top three. Mostly, yours truly supported him to try and change the tone of the race, which he had a small effect on.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-29   17:18:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I made Dr. Obama a Dr. It's like some guy from the Limbo show nominating Dr. Rush for the Nobel peace prize.

If a cosmetologist like Dr. Savage can call himself a Dr., then I insist in making Dr. Obama a Dr.

As for Obama being 'so superior', I stated quite clearly that he is a superior person among politicians. The fact that he is making political mistakes while politicking is not a bad thing in my view. We should be afraid of scripted empty suits not of imperfect but sane men of substance.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-29   17:23:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If a cosmetologist like Dr. Savage can call himself a Dr., then I insist in making Dr. Obama a Dr.

Savage actually has a sheepskin that says "PhD" on it from US Berkeley and thus, he legitimately lays claim to the title having earned it.

We should be afraid of scripted empty suits not of imperfect but sane men of substance.

This is precisely why I cannot support Obama; he is, as I see it, an empty suit and devoid of actual character.

The fact that he stayed in the church for 20 years full-well knowing what was going on there, the fact his wife is a angry racist, the fact that he can't speak off the cuff - the fact that he cannot just come clean on anything -- he is an empty suit and devoid of actual character.

Indeed, his books show him to be a racist at his core. While he may have moved past it recently, he had not when he produced his writing.

The "I can no more disavow Rev. Wright than I can my own grandmother or the black community" has been shown up and indeed is currently being disavowed by Obama.

He is learning that 'moral equivalence' which is what his prior 'Major Speech on Race' was all about doesn't play.

But for the office of President, we don't need someone who is still learning lessons they should have gotten in high school.

Obama is not yet ready. Give him another 8 years at a minimum and then he should have taken enough arrows and learned from the experience well enough to be ready for prime time. He just isn't ready right now.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-29   17:31:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The fact that he stayed in the church for 20 years full-well knowing what was going on there, the fact his wife is a angry racist, the fact that he can't speak off the cuff - the fact that he cannot just come clean on anything -- he is an empty suit and devoid of actual character.

Very little of what you enumerate is 'facts'. It seems like you are trying to build some straw man so that you can knock it down.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-29   17:43:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Very little of what you enumerate is 'facts'. It seems like you are trying to build some straw man so that you can knock it down.

Its all facts.

- Re-read Obama's 'Major Speech on Race' and compare to current comments. There is a big disparity.
- Read Michelle Obama's undergrad thesis and compare to her comments about "the only time she has been proud of her country" and other remarks.
- Watch Obama on the tube taking questions. He can't handle it and stammers quite a bit.
- Obama was a member of that church for 20 years. How in blazes could he NEVER have heard of any of this?
- Obama and Wright are on record as having discussed the fact that Wright could be a liability for Obama and also discussed strategy for handling that.
- Read Obama's books. He discusses his angst and identity crises.

Its all out there for people who are observant. Nobody can legitimately dispute any of what I listed out here. Its all on the table and well documented. Now, add it all up together and you have someone who has issues they need to work out.

Obama is not ready right now to take on the role of President. Give him a little time to learn in. 8 years is enough. Then send him back out and you will see a man who is ready to handle whatever comes his way.

Go back and look at my prior postings on 4um. Its a consistent theme - Obama is not ready for the Presidency.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-29   17:52:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

- Re-read Obama's 'Major Speech on Race' and compare to current comments. There is a big disparity. [his speech on race was quite fine. where's the disparity?]
- Read Michelle Obama's undergrad thesis and compare to her comments about "the only time she has been proud of her country" and other remarks. [i did not read Michelle Obama's thesis and, I'm afraid, I won't find the time to do that but... first of all, when did M.O. write that? Was it in 1980? But, that's not important because I don't believe that Obama ever suggested that, like in the Clinton case, they were going to get '2 for the price of one']
- Watch Obama on the tube taking questions. He can't handle it and stammers quite a bit. [he seems to be handling questions quite nicely. Thoughtful people are always seeking the truth, not scanning their memory banks for the proper pre-written sound byte. Anyways, what does THAT have to do with the prez. job of defending the constitution?]
- Obama was a member of that church for 20 years. How in blazes could he NEVER have heard of any of this? [never heard of what? I go (occasionally) to the nearby church BECAUSE it's the closest. And I have no idea whatsoever where the pastor stands, politically.] - Obama and Wright are on record as having discussed the fact that Wright could be a liability for Obama and also discussed strategy for handling that. [And?] - Read Obama's books. He discusses his angst and identity crises. [I would be surprised if he did not have such problems. Do you think that he had an easy life, as a fatherless, semi-white black boy?]

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-29   18:01:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, seems like you wish to enable bad behavior whereas over here, we like to see it handled.

To answer some of your comments, assuming I read them properly since they aren't spaced out in a readable format:

The disparity in Obama's speech and his current comments are that he claimed earlier that he could never disown the Reverend Wright because, as he put it, he could no more disown Wright than he could disown his own grandmother or the black community. Currently, Obama is disowning Wright.

The issue with Michelle Obama is that she becomes First Lady and ends up being a public figure. Sorry, it is a "two for one" when you elect a President.

As for stammering when answering some pretty basic questions that should have been anticipated in advance, do you want a President who stammers when defending the Constitution or do you want a President who walks into a press conference fully prepared and ready to go? Looks like you and I are viewing this differently. That's a fine difference of opinion and we should let it be that.

You may occasionally visit a "local and close" church, but did you place membership there for two decades and give them more than $25,000 cash money?

As for Obama - I come from a mixed and fatherless background and yet I don't try to play "I'm this but not that" - never have. I am what and who I am despite what anyone wants to label me as. Seems I learned a lesson a lot earlier than Obama did given that I'm significantly younger than he is.

The man has problems he needs to work out before we elect him.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-29   18:11:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I just read the transcript of Obama's statement on Wright today. He explains exactly why he disowns him today. It's because what he did yesterday - behaving like a clown, fully knowing that he was hurting Obama's campaign. He clearly stated that what Wright did for the past several days was not something he would expect from a true friend.

On Michele Obama, again, I find her to be an attractive, intelligent woman - based on a couple of TV interviews I watched. Whatever she wrote when she was 19 or 21 is irrelevant.

Defending the constitution at... a press conference? Come on. You can do better. Why not defending it at a bowling alley? Or on the dance floor? I heard that he could defend it well on a basketball court.

The last paragraph left me with the impression that you would be a superior presidential candidate. I suggest that you announce.

Meanwhile, we're stuck with Obama, Hillary and McCain. Seriously, which one of these three do you believe is the better human? Obviously, it's not Obama. So... which one is it? Hillary? McCain?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-29   18:32:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

As I said to a friend over the weekend, "None of the above" - none of the Three Stooges currently acclaimed as the "frontrunners" are worth voting for.

Trying to pick the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil and over here at Chez Mirage, we don't play that game.

As for me running, sorry, I don't want the job.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-29   19:50:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I agree with the lesser evil theory. However, I don't see Obama as a lesser evil but as a somewhat flawed (being human) significant improvement over what we had over the past couple decades. Helping Hillary or McCain get the prez. job, even through inaction, would not be a good or patriotic thing.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-29   20:05:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't see Obama as a lesser evil but as a somewhat flawed (being human) significant improvement over what we had over the past couple decades. Helping Hillary or McCain get the prez. job, even through inaction, would not be a good or patriotic thing.

Sounds like you're about to cite the old "don't throw your vote away" lie.

The fact is, if you don't vote your conscience, you've thrown your vote away since you had the opportunity to vote for someone who you approved of.

I just don't think Obama is ready for the Presidency. He has more to learn and got into the race before he was able to handle what was to be thrown at him. Politics is a full-contact sport and candidates are subjected to an intense microscope.

IMO, what we really have in the race among the Three Stooges are - a Democrat (McCain), a Clintonista (Hillary) and an Unready Marxist (Obama). NONE of the three have earned my vote nor will any of the three get it.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-29   20:26:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#42. To: mirage (#41)

Of course he's ready. Just about any citizen with a high school education and some real life experience is ready.

As for the arguments of: he was associated with the bad reverend, his wife allegedly had a bad thesis... what other false attacks were there? - these could be made 10 years from now because 10 years from now, it's likely that he would still be married to his wife (he's no Newt or Rudy) and he would have attended Wright's church for 20 years ad he'd probably still be a bad bowler and maybe not as good of a basketball player.

Again, I don't see him as the lesser evil but as a positive improvement and we need positive improvements in the WH now, not 10 years from today.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-29 20:36:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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