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Title: The New McCarthyism (MCCARTHYITE SMEARS AGAINST RON PAUL & OBAMA)
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Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish
URL Source: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.c ... h/2008/04/the-new-mccarth.html
Published: Apr 29, 2008
Author: Andrew Sullivan
Post Date: 2008-04-29 17:14:38 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 521
Comments: 42
The New McCarthyism And the Clintons are in the thick of it. Stanley Fish: Gasp. Alert Hewitt and Kristol. Richard Posner is a closet communist. Fish is too kind to the Clintons in the rest of his column. But I have to say that his observation about the tactics of this campaign - classic McCarthyite tactics long practised by Rove - is on the mark. And it's interesting to me that these smears have been aimed primarily at the most obvious agents of real change in this election: Ron Paul and now Barack Obama. When people have ideas and arguments that actually reach and move people, and you don't have a good argument in response, smearing is the logical next step. And smearing is what the neocons and the far right and the Clintons have been reveling in. To which one can only respond: don't let these people smear your future away. It only works if you let them get away with it.
The literature the Clinton campaign is passing around about Obama and Ayers cannot be explained away or rationalized. It features bold heads proclaiming that Ayers doesn’t regret his Weathermen activities (what does that have to do with Obama? Are we required to repudiate things acquaintances of our have not said?), that Ayers contributed $200 to Obama’s senatorial campaign (do you take money only from people of whose every action you approve?), that Obama admired Ayers’s 1997 book on the juvenile justice system, that Ayers and Obama participated on a panel examining the role of intellectuals in public life. That subversive event was sponsored by The Center for Public Intellectuals, an organization that also sponsored an evening conversation (moderated by me) between those notorious radicals Richard Rorty and Judge Richard Posner (also a neighbor of Ayers’s; maybe the Federalist Society should expel him).
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#1. To: aristeides (#0)
Ah, the associating of Ron Paul to Obama as equal threats. Nice try. Doesn't fly. Obama was an invention for the puppet show.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
exactly nothing “President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years,” “Maybe a hundred ... ... that’d be fine with me,” McCain responds Except this time they are in full agreement with O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Fox News.
“President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years,” “Maybe a hundred ... ... that’d be fine with me,” McCain responds They happen to be two candidates that Andrew Sullivan has long supported. With reason, I might add.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Even though they used to be very critical of them.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
With reason, I might add. One is true change. The other is a diaper change.
You were complaining about some (unidentified) Obama supporter on this forum complaining about Ron Paul doing something that he tolerated from Obama. Now you're complaining when Andrew Sullivan complains about Ron Paul and Obama getting the same treatment. It would seem neither consistency nor inconsistency will satisfy you.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Now you're complaining when Andrew Sullivan complains about Ron Paul and Obama getting the same treatment. It would seem neither consistency nor inconsistency will satisfy you. What? LOL! I don't remember anything that RP 'tolerated' from Obama. Probably missed that one. I'm usually satisfied with consistency and a single standard. Perhaps you should practice your standards within your knitting group first.
Astute observation.
It's a dirty job but somebody better do it.
Thanks angle. I think they are busy making another effigy. ;)
While Obaba is consuming the forum, AT&T is requiring non-cash payment for bills...here we go, the end of the dollar bill.
It's a dirty job but somebody better do it.
Whoa... no kidding? It's getting very close.
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=79358&Disp=2#C2
It's a dirty job but somebody better do it.
I don't need a cell phone on contract. Move to a prepaid, and tell them to pound sand. You can buy recharge cards all over the place.
It' snot just AT&T, it the coming paradigm...no dollar bills, just digits in and out of your ss# account. No more wealth under the mattress.
It's a dirty job but somebody better do it.
Do you ever get the feeling someone hates us? :/
As was the case in Mussolini's Italy, the individual is unimportant except as a member of the regime.
It's a dirty job but somebody better do it.
This is not helping my happy thoughts minute I set aside for the week. ;)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
A few of them must be I think, they have the talking points down so well.
“President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years,” “Maybe a hundred ... ... that’d be fine with me,” McCain responds Birds of a feather? More like they agree with Americans this turn...you sure get around the neocommie and neocon media quite a bit. I haven't watched Faux News in years, I never could stand BO'R and El Rushbo the NAUer has been a nobody for a long time.
But not, apparently, when it's Andrew Sullivan's consistent criticism of McCarthyite-type smears against both Obama and Ron Paul.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
By "he", I meant that Obama supporter that you were unable to identify.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
McCarthy was correct. Every single Commie/symp and every single NAZI/symp should have been hung long ago. You probably wouldn't be Opooping all over 4um today had Joe more support back then...
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
You know ari, I couldn't give a rat what you think. I invite others to test my consistency and reject anything they want. You are a nitwit.
You aren't a dog, you're a rat, as in federal cheese.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I know everything about you that I need to know. You're a rat.
Make that a cop who openly proclaims his contempt for the rule of law.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You haven't a clue what I know, my friend.
So you're even adopting McCain's verbal mannerisms now? Who cares what you know? Is that supposed to be a threat? If you're as Irish as you claim to be, you should know that Irishmen don't back down in the face of a threat.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
If you're as Irish as you claim to be, you should know that Irishmen don't back down in the face of a threat. This has nothing to do w/the politics of this forum, such as they are. And yes it's a direct threat to anyone who comes here and attempts to places people or things I respect in jeopardy.
Is this an example of the sort of love of freedom you were saying motivates Jethro Tull? He seems to be implying that things I have posted here put people or things he respects in jeopardy. (I have no idea what else he could be referring to.) Since that could only be by the words I have used, it appears to be an attack by threat on our freedom to post what we think here.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
ari, my comments have nothing at all to do with you, or anything you say or believe.
The only freedom a Commie should have is to a)change course or b)die.
Dang, I like that! However, we probably shouldn't be too hard on the young fellow, OoooBama! , after all, he's going to make Exxon give us free gas from now on, according to his commercials. Hillary! is going to also. Gawd, how I love them both! So much so that I asked my neighbor if I could vote for them both. He told me that I sure could, because when he programs the machines before they're sent to the polling places the outcome can't be changed by pushing the buttons. It's Hillary! OoooBama! & FreeGas! for me!
Dang, I like that! However, we probably shouldn't be too hard on the young fellow, OoooBama! , after all, he's going to make Exxon give us free gas from now on, according to his commercials. Hillary! is going to also. Gawd, how I love them both! So much so that I asked my neighbor if I could vote for them both. He told me that I sure could, because when he programs the machines before they're sent to the polling places the outcome can't be changed by pushing the buttons. It's Hillary! OoooBama! & FreeGas! for me! Heheheh Please don't tell me you're down with Juan McNorthAmericanUnion ??
Are you kidding me? He's only promising me to lower the price of gas by 18.4 cent per gallon, and then only through the summer, the bastard. FreeGas or Bust!
The EPA has estimated what the McCain energy tax would mean to consumers. Since the bill’s provisions are phased in, the full cost of the tax would not be felt for a number of years. But in a letter to Senator McCain dated July 2007, the EPA estimated that the tax will be about $.26 cents in current dollars per gallon of gasoline by 2030 and $.68 cents per gallon by 2050. For electricity, the EPA estimates that the McCain energy tax would increase individual’s electric bills by 22 percent in 2030 and 25 percent in 2050. The effect on the economy of the McCain tax would be similar to any other broad-based tax. In the EPA’s own words:
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#2. To: Peppa, aristeides (#1)
#3. To: aristeides (#0)
what does that have to do with Obama?
Hillary: "I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran in the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."
#4. To: ghostdogtxn (#2)
Hillary: "I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran in the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."
#5. To: Peppa (#1)
Ah, the associating of Ron Paul to Obama as equal threats.
#6. To: robin (#4)
Except this time they are in full agreement with O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Fox News
#7. To: aristeides (#5)
They happen to be two candidates that Andrew Sullivan has long supported.
#8. To: Peppa (#7)
#9. To: aristeides (#8)
You were complaining about some (unidentified) Obama supporter on this forum complaining about Ron Paul doing something that he tolerated from Obama.
#10. To: Peppa (#1)
Ah, the associating of Ron Paul to Obama as equal threats.
#11. To: angle (#10)
Astute observation.
#12. To: Peppa (#11)
#13. To: angle (#12)
While Obaba is consuming the forum, AT&T is requiring non-cash payment for bills...here we go, the end of the dollar bill.
#14. To: Peppa (#13)
Whoa... no kidding?
#15. To: angle (#14)
Whoa... no kidding? http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=79358&Disp=2#C2
#16. To: Peppa (#15)
#17. To: angle (#16)
It' snot just AT&T, it the coming paradigm...no dollar bills, just digits in and out of your ss# account. No more wealth under the mattress.
#18. To: Peppa (#17)
#19. To: angle (#18)
As was the case in Mussolini's Italy, the individual is unimportant except as a member of the regime.
#20. To: robin (#4)
#21. To: ghostdogtxn (#20)
Hillary: "I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran in the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."
#22. To: ghostdogtxn, robin (#20)
Except this time they are in full agreement with O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Fox News.
#23. To: Peppa (#9)
I'm usually satisfied with consistency and a single standard.
#24. To: Peppa (#9)
You were complaining about some (unidentified) Obama supporter on this forum complaining about Ron Paul doing something that he tolerated from Obama.
#25. To: aristeides (#23)
#26. To: robin (#21)
#27. To: aristeides (#23)
I'm usually satisfied with consistency and a single standard. But not, apparently, when it's Andrew Sullivan's consistent criticism of McCarthyite-type smears against both Obama and Ron Paul.
#28. To: ghostdogtxn (#26)
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
#30. To: ghostdogtxn (#29)
#31. To: ghostdogtxn, Jethro Tull (#29)
You're a cop.
#32. To: aristeides (#31)
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#32)
You haven't a clue what I know, my friend.
#34. To: aristeides (#33)
Who cares what you know? Is that supposed to be a threat?
#35. To: Christine, Jethro Tull (#34)
And yes it's a direct threat to anyone who comes here and attempts to places people or things I respect in jeopardy.
#36. To: aristeides (#35)
#37. To: aristeides (#35)
#38. To: FOH, christine (#25)
Opooping
#39. To: Esso (#38)
Opooping
#40. To: FOH (#39)
Please don't tell me you're down with Juan McNorthAmericanUnion ??
#41. To: Esso (#40)
The present value of the cumulative reduction in real GDP for the 2012-2030 period ranges from $660 billion to $2.1 trillion…the cumulative reduction in the present value of real GDP for the 2012-2050 period ranges from about $1.6 trillion to $5.2 trillion.
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