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Title: McCain Endorser Pastor John Hagee: God Curse and Doom America
Source: Talk To Action
URL Source: http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/4/30/142126/284
Published: Apr 30, 2008
Author: Bruce Wilson
Post Date: 2008-04-30 17:10:57 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 625
Comments: 23

McCain Endorser Pastor John Hagee: God Curse and Doom America

By Bruce Wilson Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:21:26 PM EST

"As a nation, America is under the curse of God, even now." That ominous slam at America came from Pastor John Hagee, whose endorsement Republican presidential candidate John McCain sought, secured, and recently affirmed to ABC News that he is "glad to have." Hagee claims God's "curse" and "doom" is upon America because of two key issues: reproductive freedom and broad support for the teaching of the theory of evolution.

Although Senator McCain recently told George Stephanopoulos in an interview that his seeking of Hagee's endorsement was "probably" a mistake, he then doubled back to affirm his approval of Hagee's endorsement, stating, "I'm glad to have it."

If McCain did not know of Hagee's belief that God is against America, he should have: Hagee's pronouncement of God's "curse" and "doom" on our nation was not a passing comment. It was a major theme of Hagee's book, Day of Deception (1997). In fact, Hagee devotes a whole chapter to it. Here's the curse and doom quote in context:

In "America Under a Curse," a seventeen page chapter in Day of Deception, John Hagee wrote, "As a nation, America is under the curse of God, even now. Look at the scriptures and see for yourself. The stand we have taken on abortion, the stand we have taken against God in our classrooms, just may have sealed or doom."

In Hagee's telling there's a whole taxonomy of divine curses that afflict Americans and all of Homo Sapiens - curses on individuals, curses on families, curses on nations and curses on mankind. "The Curse on America" is neatly organized into subsections for different types of divine curses sapping and damaging America and its people, its culture and economic well-being: God's curses on individuals; God's `curse on America'; "The Curse on The Home"; "The Curse against People" (Americans generally); "The Curses of The Cities"; "The Economic Curse"; "The Curse of The Plagues"; "The Curse of Servitude". According to Hagee, in the case of curses humans speak against each other, "[if} you are not protected by the blood of Christ that curse will stick. It can follow you and your family for generations." The implication is that Christianity alone confers special protection against curses, which slide off Christians but stick to people of all other faiths and beliefs. In a later book, Hagee has described a terrible, permanent divine curse upon Jews for worshipping idols. To work and to sweat, explains Hagee, are the curses of men while menstruation and childbearing are curses of women.

There are many curses that afflict individuals, some of them unsurprising - incest and thievery incur divine penalty, but other curses Hagee describes seem better placed in the Medieval Era than the post-Enlightenment age. The poor may be cursed simply because they're poor; divine curses can extend for four generations so that Americans can be cursed for the deeds of their great-great grandparents and disobedient children can be cursed for rebelliousness.

America is also collectively cursed for specific reasons, such as legalized abortion and a Supreme Court decision against sectarian Bible classes in public schools but also, more generally, for rebelling against God. As a consequence of America's disobedience and rebellion, according to McCain-endorser John Hagee, God's has cursed America and that curse has caused American military defeats, in Korea and Vietnam, plagues such as AIDS and social blights like violent crime. God's curse on America has also led "hundreds of thousands" to secretly sacrifice children to the devil.

Pastor Hagee bears in on Hollywood, with special intensity, as an almost uniquely pernicious curse on the nation - "Hollywood continues to show its hatred towards God, because Hollywood hates Christianity. It is... a cancer that eats at the soul of the country."

The belief in divinely mandated collective and generational punishments is one Pastor John Hagee has carried from the 90's into the current decade. In a September 18, 2006 interview on the WHYY radio show Fresh Air, with Terry Gross, Hagee stated that God nearly obliterated the whole city of New Orleans, via Hurricane Katrina, due to a gay pride event which had been planned prior to the disaster. In his 2006 book "Jerusalem Countdown" and in "Jerusalem Countdown" Hagee wrote that God may curse the East and West coasts of the United States, for insufficient support of the type of US foreign policy approach towards Israel Hagee advocates, punishing them with a Russian nuclear first strike that immolates America's coastal regions. In the same book, Hagee describes how Jews are cursed collectively because the ancient Hebrews once worshipped idols. Thus God, expressing "boundless love for the Jewish people", sent Hitler, the Nazis and the Holocaust. Hagee does not mention whether Americans who are 1/2 or 1/4 Jewish carry 1/2 or 1/4 of that specific curse.

If America and most Americans are cursed, there's one person who, according to John Hagee, isn't at all cursed, doomed or damned: John Hagee. In a 2002 BBC interview Hagee declared he knows the future with absolute certainty and the good pastor has repeatedly stated his certainty of going to Heaven.

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#1. To: aristeides (#0)

John Hagee, John McCain, and the State of Israel are the curse.

noone222  posted on  2008-04-30   17:17:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: noone222 (#1) (Edited)

I approve of the sentiment in your tag, but surely that is not by Jefferson? I very much doubt if anyone in 1802 would have used the words "inflation", "deflation", and "corporations" in that way.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-30   17:21:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: aristeides (#2)

approve of the sentiment in your tag, but surely that is not by Jefferson? I very much doubt if anyone in 1801 would have used the words "inflation", "deflation", and "corporations" in that way.

Who asked you ?

noone222  posted on  2008-04-30   17:22:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#3)

While Jefferson might certainly agree with the sentiment of that statement, unfortunately there is no evidence that he wrote or spoke those words. A clue is that it's not even written in Jefferson's vernacular (employing such terms as "inflation," "deflation," and "corporations," which were not in usage in his time).

The quote is often cited as coming from a letter written to James Lewis in 1798. However, no such letter exists.

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/mo...c/JefLett.html

Here's a better quote, and its real, too:

At home things are not well. The flood of paper money, as you well know, had produced an exaggeration of nominal prices and at the same time a facility of obtaining money, which not only encouraged speculations on fictitious capital, but seduced those of real capital, even in private life, to contract debts too freely. Had things continued in the same course, these might have been manageable. But the operations of the U.S. bank for the demolition of the state banks, obliged these suddenly to call in more than half of their paper, crushed all fictitious and doubtful capital, and reduced the prices of property and produce suddenly to 1/3 of what they had been. Wheat, for example, at the distance of two or three days from market, fell to and continues at from one third to half a dollar. Should it be stationary at this for a while, a very general revolution of property must take place. Something of the same character has taken place in our fiscal system. A little while back Congress seemed at a loss for objects whereon to squander the supposed fathomless funds of our treasury. This short frenzy has been arrested by a deficit of 5 millions the last year, and of 7. millions this year. A loan was adopted for the former and is proposed for the latter, which threatens to saddle us with a perpetual debt. I hope a tax will be preferred, because it will awaken the attention of the people, and make reformation & economy the principles of the next election. The frequent recurrence of this chastening operation can alone restrain the propensity of governments to enlarge expence beyond income.

This was in a letter to Albert Gallatin in 1820. Jefferson shows a solid grasp of the effects of monetary expansion not only on prices (inflation), but also its effect on speculation and malinvestment. He's describing the boom-bust cycle and connecting it with the printing of money.

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Nobody asked me, but do you really want to continue citing a spurious quote?

I did a bit of googling and found a discussion of the quote that shares my reaction.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-30   17:24:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: aristeides (#5)

I did a bit of googling and found a discussion of the quote that shares my reaction.

Google long enough and you might find your head, which I can save you some time by directing you towards your ass.

noone222  posted on  2008-04-30   18:24:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: noone222 (#9)

Instead of being so rude, I should think you would be grateful to me for pointing out what I'm reasonably sure is your error.

I wasn't rude to you. I said I agreed with the sense of the quote.

I even was kind enough (hat tip to blogger Mises) to provide you what I believe is an accurate quote that you could use instead.

If you're going to be so rude, I think your advice

Google long enough and you might find your head, which I can save you some time by directing you towards your ass

might better be applied towards yourself.

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