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Title: McCain Endorser Pastor John Hagee: God Curse and Doom America
Source: Talk To Action
URL Source: http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/4/30/142126/284
Published: Apr 30, 2008
Author: Bruce Wilson
Post Date: 2008-04-30 17:10:57 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 606
Comments: 23

McCain Endorser Pastor John Hagee: God Curse and Doom America

By Bruce Wilson Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:21:26 PM EST

"As a nation, America is under the curse of God, even now." That ominous slam at America came from Pastor John Hagee, whose endorsement Republican presidential candidate John McCain sought, secured, and recently affirmed to ABC News that he is "glad to have." Hagee claims God's "curse" and "doom" is upon America because of two key issues: reproductive freedom and broad support for the teaching of the theory of evolution.

Although Senator McCain recently told George Stephanopoulos in an interview that his seeking of Hagee's endorsement was "probably" a mistake, he then doubled back to affirm his approval of Hagee's endorsement, stating, "I'm glad to have it."

If McCain did not know of Hagee's belief that God is against America, he should have: Hagee's pronouncement of God's "curse" and "doom" on our nation was not a passing comment. It was a major theme of Hagee's book, Day of Deception (1997). In fact, Hagee devotes a whole chapter to it. Here's the curse and doom quote in context:

In "America Under a Curse," a seventeen page chapter in Day of Deception, John Hagee wrote, "As a nation, America is under the curse of God, even now. Look at the scriptures and see for yourself. The stand we have taken on abortion, the stand we have taken against God in our classrooms, just may have sealed or doom."

In Hagee's telling there's a whole taxonomy of divine curses that afflict Americans and all of Homo Sapiens - curses on individuals, curses on families, curses on nations and curses on mankind. "The Curse on America" is neatly organized into subsections for different types of divine curses sapping and damaging America and its people, its culture and economic well-being: God's curses on individuals; God's `curse on America'; "The Curse on The Home"; "The Curse against People" (Americans generally); "The Curses of The Cities"; "The Economic Curse"; "The Curse of The Plagues"; "The Curse of Servitude". According to Hagee, in the case of curses humans speak against each other, "[if} you are not protected by the blood of Christ that curse will stick. It can follow you and your family for generations." The implication is that Christianity alone confers special protection against curses, which slide off Christians but stick to people of all other faiths and beliefs. In a later book, Hagee has described a terrible, permanent divine curse upon Jews for worshipping idols. To work and to sweat, explains Hagee, are the curses of men while menstruation and childbearing are curses of women.

There are many curses that afflict individuals, some of them unsurprising - incest and thievery incur divine penalty, but other curses Hagee describes seem better placed in the Medieval Era than the post-Enlightenment age. The poor may be cursed simply because they're poor; divine curses can extend for four generations so that Americans can be cursed for the deeds of their great-great grandparents and disobedient children can be cursed for rebelliousness.

America is also collectively cursed for specific reasons, such as legalized abortion and a Supreme Court decision against sectarian Bible classes in public schools but also, more generally, for rebelling against God. As a consequence of America's disobedience and rebellion, according to McCain-endorser John Hagee, God's has cursed America and that curse has caused American military defeats, in Korea and Vietnam, plagues such as AIDS and social blights like violent crime. God's curse on America has also led "hundreds of thousands" to secretly sacrifice children to the devil.

Pastor Hagee bears in on Hollywood, with special intensity, as an almost uniquely pernicious curse on the nation - "Hollywood continues to show its hatred towards God, because Hollywood hates Christianity. It is... a cancer that eats at the soul of the country."

The belief in divinely mandated collective and generational punishments is one Pastor John Hagee has carried from the 90's into the current decade. In a September 18, 2006 interview on the WHYY radio show Fresh Air, with Terry Gross, Hagee stated that God nearly obliterated the whole city of New Orleans, via Hurricane Katrina, due to a gay pride event which had been planned prior to the disaster. In his 2006 book "Jerusalem Countdown" and in "Jerusalem Countdown" Hagee wrote that God may curse the East and West coasts of the United States, for insufficient support of the type of US foreign policy approach towards Israel Hagee advocates, punishing them with a Russian nuclear first strike that immolates America's coastal regions. In the same book, Hagee describes how Jews are cursed collectively because the ancient Hebrews once worshipped idols. Thus God, expressing "boundless love for the Jewish people", sent Hitler, the Nazis and the Holocaust. Hagee does not mention whether Americans who are 1/2 or 1/4 Jewish carry 1/2 or 1/4 of that specific curse.

If America and most Americans are cursed, there's one person who, according to John Hagee, isn't at all cursed, doomed or damned: John Hagee. In a 2002 BBC interview Hagee declared he knows the future with absolute certainty and the good pastor has repeatedly stated his certainty of going to Heaven.

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#1. To: aristeides (#0)

John Hagee, John McCain, and the State of Israel are the curse.

noone222  posted on  2008-04-30   17:17:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: noone222 (#1) (Edited)

I approve of the sentiment in your tag, but surely that is not by Jefferson? I very much doubt if anyone in 1802 would have used the words "inflation", "deflation", and "corporations" in that way.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-30   17:21:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: aristeides (#2)

approve of the sentiment in your tag, but surely that is not by Jefferson? I very much doubt if anyone in 1801 would have used the words "inflation", "deflation", and "corporations" in that way.

Who asked you ?

noone222  posted on  2008-04-30   17:22:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222, aristeides (#3)

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.

Part of the tagline quote appears to be lifted from a letter by Jefferson to John Taylor.

www.cooperativeindividual...g/jefferson_c_02.html#C29

The Correspondence of Thomas Jefferson

To John Taylor
28 May 1816

CONSTITUTION / UNITED STATES / DEBT AND THE BANKS

Besides much other good matter [in your Enquiry into the Principles of Our Government], it settles unanswerably the right of instructing representatives and their duty to obey. The system of banking we have both equally and ever reprobated. I contemplate it as a blot left in all our constitutions, which, if not covered, will end in their destruction, which is already hit by the gamblers in corruption and is sweeping away in its progress the fortunes and morals of our citizens. Funding I consider as limited, rightfully, to a redemption of the debt within the lives of a majority of the generation contracting it; every generation coming equally, by the laws of the Creator of the world, to the free possession of the earth he made for their subsistence, unencumbered by their predecessors, who, like them, were but tenants for life. …And I sincerely believe with you that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-05-01   3:39:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nolu_chan (#12)

Thanks Nolu.

I located the quote online and found it amazingly relevant. I couldn't take any credit or personal satisfaction for someone else having said it. However, someone has said it. Whether it was Jefferson, Archie Bunker, Fred Flintstone, or Mick Jagger is really irrelevant in my opinion and I find it counter productive to argue the validity of the author when it wasn't the author's name that was of importance but the statement itself.

Aristeides necessity to correct me or Jefferson, or just anyone regarding the statement falls into the menstrual cycle category of whining bitches that find themselves screaming mindlessly at their better half without a good explanation for doing so. I have difficulty keeping my patience with such behavior.

Between you and I, I wasn't there and cannot for the life of me verify that statement ... I think it sums up the situation we find ourselves in today and think I'll keep it. Long live Thomas Jefferson.

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#14. To: noone222 (#13)

Aristeides necessity to correct me or Jefferson, or just anyone regarding the statement falls into the menstrual cycle category of whining bitches that find themselves screaming mindlessly at their better half without a good explanation for doing so. I have difficulty keeping my patience with such behavior.

I was not correcting Jefferson, as the quotation you continue to give in your tag does not come from Jefferson's pen.

I see you regard being pointed (courteously, I might add) in the direction of intellectual honesty and correct quotation as "whining bitching." That says a lot about your own intellectual honesty, or the lack of it.

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