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Title: BREAKING HARD: RON PAUL SUPPORTS OBAMA
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Published: May 2, 2008
Author: CNN
Post Date: 2008-05-02 18:28:55 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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First, he told Blitz that he can't endorse McCain.
Then, Blitz asked him which one he prefers, of the 2 Demos. RP said that he picks Obama because he's slightly better which is EXACTLY what I've been saying for quite a while.
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#141. To: Jethro Tull (#134)
Wilson eventually lost the political argument. It could happen again.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You could be correct Jethro. But how are the other two any better than Obama. What specifically makes them better. I'm not voting for Obama. I'm voting third party. But the way Rush and Hannity promote Hillary. It almost makes me want to vote for Obama.
If i was a comedy writer, i'd say that was the laugh line, right there. the three left now will all be running our country off the same script. If we can see it, based on their affiliation with certain orgs, than RP should know . There is not a whiffs difference between the 3. His very mention of Obama was a stupid move.
They were created by the American government. Agree? Our government helped the anti-Soviet resistance in Afghanistan in the 80's. This was one good thing that our cover services did well. They gave the Russkies a bloody nose and, in the end, they lost half of their empire. Al Queda emerged as a reaction to our government's attempts to rule the Arab world via war (Iraq), the establishment of military bases and buying off, corrupting and maintaining in power the local governments for the purpose, they concluded, to make the Middle East safe for Israel.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
And your confusion may subside when you come to the realization that you cannot hold two beliefs, both of which are mutually contradictory, and believe they are both equally credible. That is one of the definitions of insanity.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. There's now a diary on this on Daily Kos that confirms that Ron Paul really did say this: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/3/32255/72168/317/508201.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Did you forget Paul took a dive and got political religion all of a sudden???? After that, anything he has to say for public consumption is suspect.
Freedoms? You mean the ones promised in that "Goddamned Piece of Paper"? Yeah, keep on doing your damnedest to help elect the Bush clone or the beast hell bent on showing she's got the worlds largest testicles. Sheesh! You make so little sense, Jethro, that I'm becoming convinced you'll ultimately convert most of this forum into Obamaphiles.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
OK, so we agree, the Mujahideen were trained and funded by the US and are now our deadliest foe in Iraq and elsewhere. They are our creation. We had no business in Afghanistan in the 1980s. None whatsoever.
Uh huh. Move along, nothing to see here ... just a little speed bump.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
And your confusion may subside when you come to the realization that you cannot hold two beliefs, both of which are mutually contradictory, and believe they are both equally credible. That is one of the definitions of insanity. Seriously, there is no reason for personal attacks. I believe that there is some basis to believe that some oppose Obama because he is a half-darkie. I know of such people and not all of them are 'old'. It is also legitimate to be skeptical that Obama may be able to fully implement his stated anti-war agenda. But, I believe, this can be discussed without getting 'personal'. By participating in this interesting discussion, all have proved their concerned and well informed citizens credentials but not everyone (probably no one) is fully informed or 100% right. That's why discussions and debates are useful and can be interesting.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Your pesky attempts at sanity are the best advertisement for rejecting Obama.
The Golem A Jewish Legend "Four elements," he said, "are required for the creation of the golem or homunculus, namely, earth, water, fire and air." "I myself," thought the holy man, "possess the power of the wind; my son-in-law embodies fire, while my favorite pupil is the symbol of water, and between the three of us we are bound to succeed in our work." He urged on his companions the necessity of great secrecy and asked them to spend seven days in preparing for the work. On the twentieth day of the month of Adar, in the year five thousand three hundred and forty after the creation of the world, in the fourth hour after midnight, the three men betook themselves to a river on the outskirts of the city on the banks of which they found a loam pit. Here they kneaded the soft clay and fashioned the figure of a man three ells high. They fashioned the features, hands and feet, and then placed the figure of clay on its back upon the ground. The three learned men then stood at the feet of the image which they had created and the rabbi commanded his son-in-law to walk round the figure seven times, while reciting a cabalistic formula he had himself composed. And as soon as the son-in-law had completed the seven rounds and recited the formula, the figure of clay grew red like a gleaming coal. Thereupon the rabbi commanded his pupil to perform the same action, namely, walk round the lifeless figure seven times while reciting another formula. The effect of the performance was this time an abatement of the heat. The figure grew moist and vapors emanated from it, while nails sprouted on the tips of its fingers and its head was suddenly covered with hair. The face of the figure of clay looked like that of a man of about thirty.
"Better put some ice on that lip" Your support for a Marxist racist Establishment lackey is duly noted...
So is Obama. He would have never gotten as far as he has if he weren't. But keep drinking the establishment Kool Aid. I hear--not that I know personally--that the taste gets almost bearable in time. Not that I want to know either.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. We had no business in Afghanistan in the 1980s. None whatsoever. Not exactly. The Mujah... pre-existed the CIA support. They were a natural reaction to the Russian occupation. It was okay for the CIA to support them because they were fighting for their country. It is also okay for Iran to support those who oppose our invasion of Iraq. When people are fighting an enemy that can afford billion-dollar high-tech weapons systems, I have no problem with them being given some simple weapons that make them more effective at countering the aggression.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
the issue is this. we all thought we were united on the two party fraud and that partaking in it by supporting one of the establishment selections was an endorsement and acknowledgment to them that we want more of the same. we've found out that's not the case. that's what's caused the dissention.
I got this far...same whining thousands of years ago...endless. I quit. "In the town of Worms [in Germany] there once lived a pious man of the name of Bezalel to whom a son was born on the first night of Passover. This happened in the year 5273 after the creation of the world [1579 common era], at a time when the Jews all over Europe were suffering from cruel persecutions".
I take it you think JFK was a tool of the establishment. Funny that somebody thought it was necessary to eliminate him.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Of course. All wisdom resides with chat room loons.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Uhhhhhhh....
That is what many here have been saying for years, the Obama people included. That they sharply changed direction, politically, based on 'hope' is incredible.
Christine, may I re-remind you that Ron Paul was running for the GOP (one of the two parties) nomination? Re-reminder now issued, I shall re-state that I have not decided if I am going to vote for Obama in November or for a 'third party' candidate. However, in the Demo race, I believe that Obama deserves everyone's full support because Hillary has to be eliminated from the race. These being said, I don't think that we should be 'united' on anything. Interesting discussions emerge when people disagree and, sometimes, good insights are revealed. When everyone agrees... it is unlikely that anything new or interesting comes out of that agreement.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Must one "suffer fools gladly" interminably?
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Funny that somebody thought it was necessary to eliminate him. And YOU think Obama is somehow equivalent to JFK? LOL! Who do you write comedy for? At any rate, I don't think you will have to worry about the folks who had Kennedy murdered doing the same with your hero 'cause it ain't gonna happen. He is establishment all the way and anyone who believes otherwise hasn't been around long enough or paid much attention (one or the other, maybe both).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. JFK is prima facie evidence that the Establishment rolls on, unimpeded. Why would you use his murder as evidence one man can change the System??
Your argument was that Obama must be a tool of the establishment, because otherwise he wouldn't have gotten as far as he has. My point -- which you have not answered -- is that JFK got even further.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
No, you could bozo everyone who doesn't believe Obama is the annointed one who will give us back our liberties and stop the war(s) and invasions. But then you wouldn't have many folks to talk to. Funny how everyone who doesn't believe what about three of you on here believe are "fools."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yeah, he was doing ok until he authorized the issuance of US Notes which we don't have to pay any interest on. The bankers didn't like that. I doubt your boy would ever do anything like that so he will be safe.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Well... that's a personal decision. One's fool is sometimes someone else's wise man. I did 'bozo' a couple of forum members because I found their contributions to be uninteresting but... again... there are no fool-proof formulas. I do believe that calling someone else names because of what they say rather than show that what they said made no sense is not the way arguments are won on merits.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I was using JFK to argue that it isn't necessarily true that someone who gets far in the political process is a tool of the establishment. I take it you agree. Maybe the plutocrats will eventually decide Obama has to be assassinated too. I doubt if they would dare, but maybe they will. That's why it's important that Obama choose a good running mate, like Jim Webb.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
It amounts to a confession that one does not have arguments to use.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
This is called military intervention, and it's the rubric America has used to launch a thousand wars. Until we get out of the business of other people's nations, war will never end for us.
"Must one "suffer fools gladly" interminably? One need not sufferr mean little cusses, with no valid arguments either.
Yes. the eevil men behind the curtain gathered .... and one genius suggested that they "select" an obscure black man from from inner city Chicago. All present leaped to their feet in cheers! The deal was done! If this BS palaver prevails, I'm going into bridge selling immediately after the election.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Helping arm the unarmed who are being slaughtered by heartless, mechanized armies because they are opposing the invading force is not military intervention. It's a humanitarian act of compassion. Afghanistan did not have a civil war in the 80's. That was a war of liberation.
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Please take the JFK experience to it's conclusion. 11/22/63 Mission accomplished.
So we are the Global Cop?
The mission was accomplished because LBJ was VP. There's a lesson to be drawn from that. And I take it you're conceding that the mere fact that Obama has gotten as far as he has does not prove that he is a tool of the establishment.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Not at all. How many cops that you know help arm the residents so that they can defend themselves?
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#142. To: Jethro Tull (#130)
#143. To: Jethro Tull (#130)
" Our foreign policy isn't controlled by the president"
#144. To: Jethro Tull (#137)
AlQueda guys in Paki
#145. To: iconoclast, Hayek Fan (#87)
Your confusion will subside when you manage to grasp two or more ideas simultaneously.
Lord Acton
#146. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
#147. To: castletrash (#143)
His very mention of Obama was a stupid move.
#148. To: Jethro Tull (#130)
No, RP is wrong. Obama - on the domestic front - can make things for me significantly worse for me and others who want to hold onto what little freedom we still have.
#149. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#144)
#150. To: Jethro Tull (#134)
The neo philosophy wasn't at the root of our internationalism.
#151. To: James Deffenbach (#145)
Your confusion will subside when you manage to grasp two or more ideas simultaneously.
#152. To: iconoclast (#148)
I'm becoming convinced you'll ultimately convert most of this forum into Obamaphiles.
#153. To: Cynicom (#138)
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"Obummer was created from nothing, from dust if you will, created for a purpose"
#154. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#151)
"Just lie back and enjoy it"
#155. To: iconoclast (#113)
Hillary and McCain are tired old establishment personified.
Lord Acton
#156. To: Jethro Tull (#149)
OK, so we agree, the Mujahideen were trained and funded by the US and are now our deadliest foe in Iraq and elsewhere. They are our creation.
#157. To: Pinguinite, iconoclast (#49)
The hysteria here, and on other forums, over the possibility of Obama's election is stunning. (iconoclast) I must agree. I never would have dreamed that this election season would brought this kind of divisiveness to 4um. Can't say I've avoided partaking it it either, albeit somewhat indirectly. (Neil)
#158. To: castletrash (#153)
#159. To: James Deffenbach (#155)
So is Obama. He would have never gotten as far as he has if he weren't
#160. To: castletrash (#143)
His very mention of Obama was a stupid move.
#161. To: christine (#157)
the issue is this. we all thought
#162. To: castletrash (#143)
the three left now will all be running our country off the same script.
#163. To: christine (#157)
(Edited)
the issue is this. we all thought we were united on the two party fraud and that partaking in it by supporting one of the establishment selections was an endorsement and acknowledgment to them that we want more of the same.
#164. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#151)
Seriously, there is no reason for personal attacks.
#165. To: aristeides (#159)
I take it you think JFK was a tool of the establishment.
Lord Acton
#166. To: aristeides (#159)
Funny that somebody thought it was necessary to eliminate him.
#167. To: James Deffenbach (#165)
So is Obama. He would have never gotten as far as he has if he weren't
#168. To: iconoclast (#164)
Must one "suffer fools gladly" interminably?
Lord Acton
#169. To: aristeides (#167)
My point -- which you have not answered -- is that JFK got even further.
Lord Acton
#170. To: iconoclast (#164)
Must one "suffer fools gladly" interminably?
#171. To: Jethro Tull (#166)
#172. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#170)
I do believe that calling someone else names because of what they say rather than show that what they said made no sense is not the way arguments are won on merits.
#173. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#156)
It was okay for the CIA to support them because they were fighting for their country.
#174. To: iconoclast (#164)
" All wisdom resides with chat room loons."
#175. To: christine (#157)
we all thought we were united on the two party fraud and that partaking in it by supporting one of the establishment selections was an endorsement and acknowledgment to them that we want more of the same.
#176. To: Jethro Tull (#173)
#177. To: aristeides (#171)
I was using JFK to argue that it isn't necessarily true that someone who gets far in the political process is a tool of the establishment. I take it you agree.
#178. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#176)
It's a humanitarian act of compassion.
#179. To: Jethro Tull (#177)
#180. To: Jethro Tull (#178)
So we are the Global Cop?
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