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Title: BARACK'S REV. 'STOLE A WIFE' EX-HUBBY: HE COUNSELED US, THEN WED HER
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NY Post
URL Source: http://www.nypost.com/seven/0504200 ... s_rev__stole_a_wife_109298.htm
Published: May 4, 2008
Author: SUSANNAH CAHALAN and VERONICA HINKE
Post Date: 2008-05-04 08:59:31 by Jethro Tull
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Comments: 127
BARACK'S REV. 'STOLE A WIFE' EX-HUBBY: HE COUNSELED US, THEN WED HER By SUSANNAH CAHALAN and VERONICA HINKE 32; FUROR: Fire-breathing Chicago pastor Jeremiah Wright (left) reportedly met his wife Ramah (right) after he counseled her and then-husband Delmer Reed in 1983. The Reeds divorced soon after the sessions. 32;32;32; 32;32;32;32;32;32; 32; May 4, 2008 -- The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama's loose cannon of a spiritual adviser, stole the wife of a parishioner - after the man sought Wright's help in saving his troubled marriage, the former husband told friends. Delmer Reed, 59, confided to pals that he believed the minister moved in on his wife while Wright was counseling the couple at his Chicago church in the early 1980s, The Post has learned. "That's exactly how he said it," Reed's divorce lawyer, Roosevelt Thomas, told The Post. "It looks like Delmer might have been right," he said, because after Delmer and Ramah Reed were divorced, she got remarried - to Wright. "Either that or this was the biggest coincidence in the world." Asked about the relationship between Wright and his ex-wife, Reed told The Post, "Oh, the things I could tell you." Initially, he didn't believe the rumors. "People were telling me that my extremely attractive wife was seen with the pastor," Reed said. "But I didn't believe it. I thought, 'So what?' " Was he wrong in the end? "Well, yeah," he said. Asked if Wright broke up his marriage, Reed laughed, then said, "I told my kids I wouldn't say anything to hurt their stepfather, so I'm not saying anything." But he said he's been hounded by the press and "offered money" to tell his story. A spokesman for the Wright family flatly denied the allegation yesterday. "This story has no merit whatsoever and is not based on facts," said George Lofton. "They had problems throughout the course of their turbulent marriage, and the couple never received marriage counseling from Rev. Wright or anyone else." But Reed, a former investigator for the Illinois secretary of state, told The Post he and his ex-wife went to Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ for counseling when their marriage hit the skids over his demanding work schedule. "I spoke with [Wright] four times over a few months," Reed said in an interview at his upscale home in Lemont, Ill. "Her father asked me to go to counseling. We thought we'd be together forever. I decided to try to work this out." Asked if he's forgiven the pastor, Reed nodded. "I let it go," he said. "I don't want my kids to hear anything negative about their stepfather."
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Good heavens..... Looks like a a little hanky and whole lota panky goin on heah, in the balcony. Amen brother and amen.
I want to know more about Obama's phone company - I bet they were hand-in-hand with the Bushies on spying on innocent Americans. We should also inquire on Obama's diet and try to find out WHO profits from his gas purchases - I bet that he is financing terrorism by buying gas that came from terroristic oil fields.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
You know what the brothers tell their wives bout not lettin the preacher man come roun when they be at welfare office.
Perhaps on a different thread. This one is limited to Obama's racist pastor.
Go tell it on the mountain, over the hills and in the sack...
I see that Reverend Wright has his past snooped into & gossiped about in this manner. But he's not even a candidate. mcCain & Clinton are both candidates. Here's some stories that the press could popularize about those 2 if they were of a mind to rather than to slam Obama. Mccain was known as a womanizer early in his life, he cheated tremendously on his wife. then he went to vietnam. When he came back from vietnam the story I heard from friends here in Phoenix, some of whom were personally acquainted with Cindy who married Mccain, was that cindy was at the hotel bar where Mccain spent his first night of freedom in Hawaii back from Vietnam. Mccain went to the hotel bar and immediately walked up to her. He had a one-night stand with her and it turned into a marriage. he never even went back to see his wife. He divorced his wife without even ever going back to her after his vietnam trip. The press could really hammer him, his 1'st wife has told people that Mccain never even came to see her before taking up with cindy. but the game- plan is to slam Obama currently. I'm sure a lot of us remember stories about Hilary clinton. She attended swinger clubs with her husband. She was seen snorting cocaine. She had an affair with Vince Foster. there are stories about her going into lesbian mode sometimes. there are actually people who will say this is true. does the press pay them money to speak on national tv? No, it is the game plan currently to slam Obama. and pursuant to this game-plan of slamming Obama it is fun to slam Wright if that is all that can be done.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
You mean ole VAST was tryin to spam this good thread that contains the truth???? Why would anyone want to hide the truth? Difficult for me to believe that the O'Piles would resort to such tactics. Who knows where this may lead. You bet that Obummer wont be takin his woman to the "counselor".... hehehehehehehehe
Guess what, now ole Red is spamming, good heavens. And ye shall be known by the company you keep.
The question, Red, is how a man (Obama) can be a member of a radical black
church (Trinity) for 20 years, led by a full blown black racist (Wright), and
not be a racist himself. I'm going to explore that issue whether folks approve
or not.
and Hilary keeps company with Bill clinton. and there are many people who will recount the cocaine days and the swinging and the wild sex. bill was a star at that, he's not dragged through the mud. hilary participated too. she's not dragged through the mud.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
If I had a woman like that shrew Obama has I would take her and see what he would charge to take her off my hands.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. all of that about the other two is known and has been posted many times for years. old news. obama is the unknown and the man of the hour...iow, the new news.
Red... There is like info coming out about McKooKs reverend, when it arrives we expect you to rise to the same level of indignation in denouncing the sordid purveyors.
Some people have no sense of humor. I put this under 4 Play for laughs, but it seems the Os - like all leftists/liberals - lack a funny bone.
Agreed... The "white guilters" here on 4um become more strident every day. When Obummer does his swan dive and becomes Hillarys lackey, they will all join in lockstep voting FOR Obama, with Hillary a throw in. There has to be some hypocrisy there somewhere, surely there is no humor.
the mainstream media spent a lot of time talking about the Monica scandal. They did not make clear that Clinton & his wife have a track record of swinging and snorting cocaine. the stories about Clinton's sex scandals have always been taboo other than the one Monica story. and I don't remember ever reading in the national media about McCain not seeing his first wife even once after he got back from Vietnam. Reverend Wright isn't even a candidate and look at this gossip on him. We've read these stories on McCain & Hilary clinton that I mentioned, but I don't think the mainstream media spread them. This story above is from New York Post.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
FLASH! Hank Aaron breaks Babe Ruths
home run record!
I've already pointed out that 2 prominent preachers who endorse McCain preach some whacky stuff about how we need to kill muslims. I think the story about how McCain never even went back to his wife after coming back from Vietnam and instead picked up young Cindy at the bar his very first night of freedom is a significant story. and I heard that story here in Phoenix from a woman who was a close friend of Cindy's. its just like I said, Obama is the target, the other 2 are protected currently. the media could drag any of these 3 through the mud and destroy them.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
The white guilters on 4um that have come out of their hidey holes all seem to be using the same play book, always on the same page, and sometimes quoting the same lines. Now you know that is just COINCIDENCE, right??????????? Only a true cyinc would ever entertain that our hidey hole friends here on 4um are acting in concert? Good heavens, perish the ugly truth.
all of that about the other two is known and has been posted many times for years. old news. obama is the unknown and the man of the hour...iow, the new news. You nailed it, Christine: I probably won't vote for Obama. and I certainly won't vote for Hillay or McSwine The Electric Jew does not want Obasma in the White House. Is it a ploy, or do the Zionists behind the curtain fear Obama?
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
Me and Mrs. Jones - We meet every day Me and Mrs. Mrs. Jones – We've gotta be extra careful Me and Mrs. Mrs. Jones – Well it's time for us to be leaving Me and Mrs. Mrs. Jones – I wanna meet,
those stories were never told in the mainstream mass media. they told the Monica stories ad nauseum, but ignored all the others. Now that hilary is a presidential candidate it is appropriate to let people speak nationally in the mass media who saw her snorting cocaine & swinging & such. that is a lot more significant than Wright going to a church. I'm not a fan of Obama, although I agree with paul that he's slightly better. I'm only pointing out what is being done. any of the 3 candidates could be destroyed by the media.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Perhaps on a different thread. This one is limited to Obama's racist pastor. LOL - your wright. Do ping me when the analysis shifts to phone company, trash collections and grocery purchases.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Now you know that is just COINCIDENCE, right??????????? Only a true cyinc would ever entertain that our hidey hole friends here on 4um are acting in concert? Good heavens, perish the ugly truth.
Obummer is USEFUL and EXPENDABLE.
Dig 'em out and post them. The 4um free market decides what's of interest or not. I've posted articles I thought were of interest only to met by crickets. I guess current events are the key to how an article is received.
Patience while red checks todays play book and gets on the right page.
The "white guilters" here on 4um become more strident every day. When Obummer does his swan dive and becomes Hillarys lackey, they will all join in lockstep voting FOR Obama, with Hillary a throw in. There has to be some hypocrisy there somewhere, surely there is no humor. Personally, I find it very hard to figure out all this hero worship of just another statist whore. And Obama is a statist whore just as surely as Hillary and McCain are.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
huh? during the clinton years that information was everywhere! remember gennifer flowers and paula jones and kathleen willey? same with mcCain. his womanizing and leaving his first sick wife was covered. all presidential candidates get this treatment. it's not exclusive to obama and wright. scandal and gossip sell. think of the outings of all the pederasts and homos in the GOP and among rightwing clergy.
Obama/Wright Mentality Catching on in Elementary School The political mentality of Barack Obama and his temporarily sidelined mentor Jeremiah Wright has found fertile soil at a Brooklyn elementary school: Disturbing, gang-like graffiti is cropping up all over a Brooklyn elementary school, marring a playground, classrooms and two teachers' cars, authorities said. The troubling words "Jump White People" and abbreviation "JWP" have appeared at Public School 224 in East New York about a dozen times in the past three weeks, and some teachers are concerned that it's not being taken seriously. One day this may be the national motto, like it probably is in Zimbabwe. ">
And ALL of them SHOULD be. Not a one of the three of them are worth losing one minute's sleep over--I think it is probably safe to say that not one of them would piss on you if you were on fire.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Regarding those specific stories I recounted in #6 - those are things that myself and others who have a long history of reading on FR, LP, here & elsewhere are aware of. The story about cindy being picked up by John at the hotel bar I heard that story from cindy's closest friend and I didn't read it. But those stories I mentioned in #6 I don't think ever got published in the national media. so there's one standard for Obama clearly and another for the other 2. Obama is their target. Regarding whether Obama & wright are a bit racist - I think obama's written statements indicate a little racism. but that doesn't bother me at all compared to the fact that Obama supports the Federal Reserve, obama supports the war on terror, Obama doesn't care to roll back patriot act. I'm not really pro-Obama, but I might vote for him on election day. Do you think there's a better choice to vote for on election day? I've written in people's names before, they didn't win. The only benefit I can see in voting for Obama is to send a message to the rest of the world that at least we Americans tried to put in a candidate who pretended to be not-so-pro-war as the others. thats a very small benefit I admit, but do you have a better way to go?
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Well, the reason is not stupidity, ignorance nor lack of programmed education. That being said, one has to look elsewhere for logical explanations. Notice I made that plural??? Most are race conscious in that OTHERS are racists and bigots, but not them. They are the first to spout the terms, anti semetic, racist, bigot and whatever. Casting the first stone gives them the advantage of putting others on the defensive. Old trick.
we read that hilary clinton snorted cocaine and attended swing clubs and had an affair with Vince Foster. I don't think that hardly any americans are knowledgeable of this. and it was Gingrich who told his wife he would divorce her when she was sick with cancer. the McCain story about how he never even went to see his wife after coming back from Vietnam haven't even been told. But here's reverend wright who's not even a candidate and he gets stories told about him.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
White people can't jump.
either don't vote, or vote 3rd party. vote for someone who represents your core principles. you are a believer in the two party fraud, are you not, Red? i always thought you were. then don't give your endorsement to the fraud in essence telling them you want more of the same.
Cant jump because so many are laden with white guilt. That being the case, I wonder why none of them move to Harlem to PROVE their love of diversity??? By the way, Rev. Wright is now living in a majority white gated community. Wright and the white guilters have one thing in common, none of them will live in the hood.
I don't normally vote for either of the 2 parties. I normally write in a name, at least the last 6 years that's how I've done it. but regarding Obama, I may make an exception. for the reasons I said - he has said he wants to bring the troops home from Iraq and the world should know we're not war-crazy. In my state we usually don't even have 3'rd party candidates, they find it difficult to get on the ballot. I sure wouldn't vote for alan Keyes. all I've done is point out that the media is going out of its way to take Obama down.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Good thing Rev. Wright isn't running for President isn't it? He doesn't really sound fit. And by your reasoning, is everyone who attends a Catholic Church a fag and a child molester?
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Red... And the $200 million dollars plus "donated" to Obummer has come from WHERE?????
I believe that such remarks can hurt other people's feelings. If you tell someone 'you are a supporter of the two-party fraud (ron paul's scam too)' then it's not very likely that he would follow your advice to vote 'third party'. By the way, why isn't 'third party' a fraud as well? It's my impression that 'third parties' are largely fictional entities whose main reason for manifesting themselves in our perceived reality is that of legitimizing the two-party system. When you vote 'third party' you are still supporting 'a party' and 'parties' are always mafia-like organizations whose purpose is not to represent the people but to advance some agenda and ideology and, more importantly, to acquire, hold and exercise power.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
And anyone making remarks such as this proves themselves to be intellectually deficient.
I heard that it came from small donors. But I'd love to hear the looney conspiracy theory you're alluding to .... without being able to actually come out and state it. By the way, by law the books are open - but you know that. You just don't want us to know that.
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I've heard that.
And anyone making remarks such as this proves themselves to be intellectually deficient. Cynicom Gotcha. Thanks for admitting it with your silly insult instead of a response.
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That's where the filter comes in handy. Filters out the spam, provides continuity for discussion.
They do support the tax system rather well however, to provide for all the goodies handed out by the government.
Why don't you simply tell us why McCain would be a better President? Your covert negative campaigning gets so contorted that it's laughable.
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Dog and pony show. PLUS the added bonus of inflaming race relations.
The white guilters tried spam, tried squirming, twisting, insulting, anything to derail talk about Obummer and the good Reverand that is tied around his neck.
I head it came from small donors. But I'd love to hear the looney conspiracy theory you're alluding to .... without being able to actually come out and state it. BHO's people say that the donations still 'average' $96 a pop, even with the recent corporate funding. Who knows?
Racism is a one way street, always has been and is a useful tool when wielded by the white guilters that infest 4um.
That being said, one has to look elsewhere for logical explanations. Notice I made that plural??? Most are race conscious in that OTHERS are racists and bigots, but not them. They are the first to spout the terms, anti semetic, racist, bigot and whatever. Casting the first stone gives them the advantage of putting others on the defensive. Old trick. Could be, I don't know. I see all this Obama palaver and crying over a guy who is clearly just another statist, by what I believe to be otherwise intelligent people and it just doesn't make any sense to me.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He attends church?
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
Interesting that Big Brown won the Kentucky Derby and the filly who Clinton favored, Eight Belles, who finished second was put down on the track after breaking both her front ankles.
Who knows? The GOP can just go look where it comes from. There might be month or two lag, but it's public knowledge. If there was some worthwhile dirt, Cyni would be flapping his arms and screaming in outrage instead of making vague and unsupported allusions to his "money conspiracy".
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Gossip rag.
lod... The Nixons and Eisenhowers all gave the full limit, the very same people that supported George Bush four years ago. It seems to me Obama should return that money. Speak of white guilt, those people wallow in it publicly. Here Baraka, have $2300.00 to PROVE I am not racist.
That's a good point.
I believe that all the candidates are supposed to make quarterly filings with www.fec.gov
No, on rare occasions he is inside a church building. Big difference.
So they gave $2600. Big deal. Maybe they gave it because they like Obama, as Nixon's daughter recently said she did. Why the hell should Obama give the money back?
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And this has ZERO to do with Obama. John McCain OTOH, dumped his faithful ex-wife for the very wealthy Cindy. Not John McCain's ex-pastor, John McCain himself. Talk about whipping a dead horse. It's Wright who is that horse, not Obama. These endless "guilt by association" spins grow more tiresome by the day. And it sounds like it could well be false too. "This story has no merit whatsoever and is not based on facts," said George Lofton. "They had problems throughout the course of their turbulent marriage, and the couple never received marriage counseling from Rev. Wright or anyone else."
"To destroy a people you must first sever their roots." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
And serves to keep the discussion off the issues.
Robin's right. I don't think you're going to be able to fool us into thinking Obama is Rev. Wright. While it's true that all coloured guys sort of look alike, I can still tell the difference. Why don't you tell us that Obama hates American because his flag pin is too small?
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Why? Don't people have the right to support who they wish? Besides, this is the first 'fresh meat' (s)election since when?
www.wherethemoneygoes.com /newSearch.php? SearchString=Obama&Submit=Search+WTMG Barack Obama and the issue of excessive CEO compensation. Description: Compensation. Published: April 14, 2008 This past Saturday, the Associated Press reported that "Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is demanding that company shareholders have a say in how much executives get paid as he pushes his populist message. "Obama said Friday he wants Congress to pass legislation he has sponsored that would require corporations to have a nonbinding vote by shareholders on executive compensation packages. "Under Obama's Senate legislation, shareholders could not veto a compensation package offered to an executive and would not place limits on pay. Rather, they would have a means to publicly express their position." Interesting. In 2005, in addition to her job as a Vice-President of the very profitable not- for-profit University of Chicago Hospitals, his wife Michelle was put on the Board of TreeHouse Foods. There she earned $45,000 for attending 10 board meetings, and she received stock options that showed a paper profit that year of $60,000. One of the things she did for the company was to defend the executive compensation of Sam Reed, the President and CEO of TreeHouse, and the man who put her on the Board. That year he received $26,159,000 in total compensation. To put that into perspective, that year Wal-Mart had 400 times the amount of revenue that TreeHouse Foods did, while their CEO received less than a third of the total compensation, that Sam Reed did. Also in 2005, the President and CEO of not-for-profit The University of Chicago Hospitals received $1,873,795 in total compensation, which was up by more than $600,000 from two years earlier. That same year, Michelle Obama's income as an administrator at the not-for- profit University of Chicago Hospitals nearly tripled to $316,962, from $121,910.
When one stops to think about that, there are no issues that divide them, none. All are for more war, protect Israel at all costs, more freebies at home, keep herding the sheep.
I don't mind people on this forum talking about Obama & wright as they do. but you are 100% correct that the entire Wright controversy is just a side-show that slams Obama and keeps us off the issues. Ron paul talked about eliminating the Federal Reserve. Maybe CNN should have Clinton or Mccain or Obama on and ask them if the US taxpayers should pay the federal reserve 400 billion a year. and ask if a private bank should be allowed to profit from money creation, etc.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Robin has pointed out, many times according the her, that these are individual contributions. I asked how to verify and I guess that's a stumper.
If Obama were an R, and this wacky Wright his pastor, you'd be your usual critical self. Your allegiance to Party (god, what a Stalinist word) is showing.
Must be an error there. Ovbummer says he is a child of poverty, lived on food stamps and handouts and now he goes from rags to riches????? Typical American story. He also says he got a free ride for an education, tough life, poor man. Bet he has repaid all the taxes spent on him, right????? Handouts, he knows for sure.
Bottom line.
They're somewhat intelligent; they just have an agenda and there are more than a couple of 'em here.
Quite true. Probably a good idea to find out what sort of fellow is being considered for President.
Yeah, he didn't have two admirals in his family to give him a leg up in life. And he didn't dump his sick wife so that he could marry one with more money .... like McCain did.
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Sir Lod... Somewhere today I wrote today that the play books used by all three are written by the same author. Only the wording is changed to fool the unwashed rural hill billy rubes.
If you can call it reasoning. This is one of the poorest attempts at a smear of Obama so far this election. It's based on rumor of Rev. Wright's past. I don't think even Fox News is chasing this one.
"To destroy a people you must first sever their roots." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
To put that into perspective, that year Wal-Mart had 400 times the amount of revenue that TreeHouse Foods did, while their CEO received less than a third of the total compensation, that Sam Reed did. Issues WILL NOT be discussed.
Would it be politically incorrect to ascribe the title "dark horse" to Obummer ?
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." "I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." Thomas Jefferson
Why would they want to do that. They're funded by the same people who run the Fed.
Racist...bigot...how horrible of you.
Yes it would.
Issues WILL NOT be discussed. I'm sorry. Now what? Should I sing a chorus of Nobody Knows the Trouble I've seen?
TA DAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! But, but, but....
Have you read The Revolution by RP?
How many on here do you think really support Obama? I think I have counted less than ten (several fewer than ten actually) who are openly supporting him. Not that I have read all the posts or even all the threads but it doesn't seem like any of the establishment's candidates have many, if any, supporters on here. And I think that is a good thing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Ten operatives posting incessantly drives away new readers who don't ascribe the the crimminal's choices for us. It thwarts meaningful discussion about how to change the course the crimminals have charted. It's insidious and disruptive.
Ovbummer says he is a child of poverty, lived on food stamps and handouts and now he goes from rags to riches????? Typical American story. He also says he got a free ride for an education, tough life, poor man. Bet he has repaid all the taxes spent on him, right????? Handouts, he knows for sure. I heard he finally paid off his student loans a couple years ago. Someone said, what took him so long. Maybe needed some Benjamins from Meshelle.
No. Isn't he that kook the Obama team is trying to latch onto?
Do you think Obama really has ten supporters on here? I haven't seen that many. Seems to be half that, maybe six or seven, but of course I could be wrong.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Interesting development. But what does this have to do with Obamas qualifications to be president? McInsand hangs out with a warmonger mass murderer named Bush. Hillary voted to support Bushes insane war. So in my opinion. Obama is at least a little bit better than the Hilderbeast and that insane guy.
Cynicom knows better than I.
Someone said, what took him so long. Maybe needed some Benjamins from Meshelle. Are you suggesting he used his influence as a representative of the people to enrich his personal situation?
Counting those that are too timid to stand out in direct sunlight, there are ten or more. Most of whom I named nearly a year ago. When the bell rings, they will fall into lockstep and support and vote for Clinton/Obama...
Well, there are other examples, so I guess...it's possible. People can check out the link and read it with their own eyes.. Heck I didn't know anything about the Chicago machine till a few days ago. It's ugly out there.
McInsand hangs out with a warmonger mass murderer named Bush. Hillary voted to support Bushes insane war. Obama supports a Global Tax that subsidize Genocidal Governments like Mugabe's. How is that better? He votes yes for war funding. He fought a ban on partial birth abortion. And there is the issue of patient dumping.. but, he is somehow a BETTER cONdidate, and I just don't see it. He is as bad, as the other two.. and the little gem of 'getting out of Iraq', is certainly in line with what most Americans and the rest of the world want, but he speaks with forked tongue with respect to redeploying forces and adding to them. He has not repudiated the First Strike policy. So.. theres more, but that off the top of my head.
Nice find Jethro. The answer of course is, of course not. Sin knows no color lines. Many years ago, before I converted, my pastor (perhaps my all-time favorite one) divorced his wife and married the church secretary. He was/is a fine person but this marked the end of time at that church, and I suppose rightly so. He was an older, easy going, fisherman type fella with a grand sense of humor. A couple of of us guys kiddingly asked him if he had strolled down to an X-rated movie house that had opened in the neighborhood, to which he replied "No I think I'll just wait till they're on TV" .... he was pretty close to right, of course. I miss him.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
What really counts is that he supports Israel to the limit. Bush has a red phone hot line to Tel Aviv, rumor has it that Obummer will have a live video cam so his bosses in Israel will know when he is standing at attention.
This O sees nothing funny about adultery.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Im votin Ventura, Baldwin or maybe Barr. It still doesn't negate my opinion that Obama is slightly better then Hillary or McCain. That doesn't mean he is good. And if Hannity and Rush are so afraid of him. Then there is a 1 percent chance that I just may vote for him in the general. We are screwed regardless. Maybe Obama would be a more interesting turn of events. Maybe not. But like I said we are screwed anyways.
All of this disgusting stuff went on when millions of voters were toddlers or small children. It may not be news to us but it is most certainly more pertinent than running Wright around the track again.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Precisely. And what these threads do is divert attention for the kinds of issues that's aren't being discussed on msm, LIKE: The arrest this week of an American-born Army engineer on charges that he spied for Israel, has revived the hunt for the "X Committee," the high-level apparatus of Israeli spies and agents-of-influence who worked with Jonathan Pollard, the convicted Israeli spy, who stole vast amounts of U.S. national security secrets during the 1980s, and passed them to Israel. On April 22, Ben- Ami Kadish was arrested at his home in New Jersey, and charged with delivering U.S. nuclear weapon and other military secrets to Israel. www.larouchepac.org/news/...raeli-spy-revives-hunt-x- committee.html
Bush has a red phone hot line to Tel Aviv, rumor has it that Obummer will have a live video cam so his bosses in Israel will know when he is standing at attention. I like the idea of eliminating foreign aid, and let governments stand on their own.
That doesn't mean he is good. And if Hannity and Rush are so afraid of him. Then there is a 1 percent chance that I just may vote for him in the general. We are screwed regardless. Maybe Obama would be a more interesting turn of events. Maybe not. But like I said we are screwed anyways. OF.. Rush et all are NOT afraid of Obama, their job is to keep the left/right fraud alive. People are catching on the one-party rule, AND for whom, and these hucksters serve the same master. And we see there are still people that CAN NOT LET GO of that. They are perfectly programmed bots, when push comes to shove. When pointing out the evil deeds of these candidates, IMO, all people should reject them ALL. We are nothing but expendable trash to them. And you are right, we're hosed, but FCOL, don't vote to give them more hose.
Fibber. You did read The Revolution.
Other disgusting tibits about McCain at that point .... the wife he dumped had been crippled by a a car accident while he was captive. His young trophy bride turned out to be a twofer ... her millionaire daddy bought McCain his first office.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
This O sees nothing funny about adultery.
:)
Or blatant racism.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
http://laotze.blogspot.com/2008/03/obamas-messianic-foreign-policy.html Now, I'm beginning to think he's pretending to be 1/2 black to fool a particular electorate.
you one baaaad mofo.....
His young trophy bride turned out to be a twofer ... her millionaire daddy bought McCain his first office. Yep, and this is John McCain the presidential candidate (not his ex-pastor, which would have no bearing on the election whatsoever).
"To destroy a people you must first sever their roots." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
For a person who claims to be doing nothing more than taking a gamble with Obama, you sure have lots of vested interest in him. When I plop down $5 bucks on a roulette wheel, I don't do a lot of thinking about winning or losing. A smile or a shrug is the end result of my gamble, not some long, tortured examination of the actual bet. But that's me.
I dislike injustice. I don't agree with Zundel but I have posted articles in his defense. For anyone to try and tie whatever Wright may or may not have done with Obama is so absurd it deserves condemnation. ... was right, " And by your reasoning, is everyone who attends a Catholic Church a fag and a child molester?"
"To destroy a people you must first sever their roots." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Opinions, like belly buttons.... The question is does Obama ascribe to Wrights Black Racist Theology. After all he was a parishioner for 20 years, so the question is legitimate. Now, if a white politician is made to grovel for stepping foot on the campus of Bob Jones University, what except your acceptance of reverse racism, rationalizes cutting Obama a break with this pig?
If Obama were a neocon, this erasure alone would make for tons o' fun - as it should. Obama wouldn't be in this mess if he didn't crawl in bed with him in the first place.
Again as ... so well asked: "And by your reasoning, is everyone who attends a Catholic Church a fag and a child molester?" So is everyone who attends a Catholic Church a pedophile? No! Therefore trying to make Obama evil because of whatever his pastor may have done is just absurd. Meanwhile John McCain the candidate (not his ex-pastor) did indeed dump his wife and for a very wealthy one. Most Black Church pastors rant about the same as Wright from what I've read. Consider, the soundbites played over and over are taken from 36 years of preaching. Wright's sermons were not one controversial statement after another, as MSM and Fox News would have people believe. Obama has spoken out against Wright's divisive statements. Now he has even further distanced himself from Wright. From all that Obama has said about race, including his outstanding speech on race when the Wright controversy was first reported, he is most certainly not a racist.
"To destroy a people you must first sever their roots." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
"And by your reasoning, is everyone who attends a Catholic Church a fag and a child molester?" How do you equate attending someone's church as crawling into bed with him?
"To destroy a people you must first sever their roots." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Well, I think he is a neo-con... but that's beside the point. You are right.. Dear Barry: My heart has been crushed so many times before, I have almost lost count. It seems like every four years I get in a serious relationship with a new guy; it starts with infatuation but he invariably turns out to be a boozer, an abuser, or a loser, and I am left to pick up the pieces. I swear sometimes I must be cursed or subconsciously a masochist. Finally, though, I think I may have met Mister Right. He's tall and dark and handsome, with this mysterious, dreamy, rugged faraway look in his eye that tells me he is THE ONE. Whenever he needs to borrow my car, or some money for his experimental jazz project, he always looks deep in my eyes and says "thank you" in that smoky baritone, and I swear I think I'm going to melt. Long story short, we've moved in together. But now that I've finally found true love, some of my so-called "friends" have been less than supportive. Most of them are very positive, but a few have lately been "warning" me that he's no good, and hangs out with a bad crowd, and blah blah blah. How do I deal with this kind of petty jealousy? Also, when would be a good time for me to ask my new boyfriend what his name is? Puzzled in Washington Dear Puzzled: Don't listen to the nay-sayers! I say follow your heart, and hop on your dreamboat tramp steamer for a mystery love cruise to Fantasy Island. Even if that Island is deserted and filled with tropical disease, you can still make beautiful experimental jazz together.
Red State Update: You Thought Rev. Wright Was Bad...
"To destroy a people you must first sever their roots." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
hehehehehehe
For the record, I'm not the author, just forgot to post the source. :)
That speaks volumes.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
Well first, he attended the church for 20 years, never once hearing a nasty comment. Sure. Second, he married Obama and the racist Michelle. Then Barry asked Wright to baptise his children, which was quickly followed by an appointment to Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee. Finally, he was at Obama's presidential announcement, where they prayed together immediately before the announcement. So see? There's much more of a relationship here than you can admit.
Is this a tenant of Black Theology?
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#4. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#2)
I want to know more about Obama's phone company
#5. To: Cynicom (#3)
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
Perhaps on a different thread. This one is limited to Obama's racist pastor.
#8. To: Red Jones, Jethro tull (#6)
and pursuant to this game-plan of slamming Obama it is fun to slam Wright if that is all that can be done.
#9. To: Red Jones (#6)
#10. To: Cynicom (#8)
And ye shall be known by the company you keep.
#11. To: Cynicom (#7)
Who knows where this may lead. You bet that Obummer wont be takin his woman to the "counselor".... hehehehehehehehe
Lord Acton
#12. To: Red Jones (#6)
#13. To: Red Jones, Jethro tull (#10)
#14. To: Cynicom (#13)
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#11)
If I had a woman like that shrew Obama has I would take her and see what he would charge to take her off my hands.
#16. To: christine (#12)
#17. To: Red Jones (#10)
and Hilary keeps company with Bill clinton. and there are many
people who will recount the cocaine days and the swinging and the wild sex.
#18. To: Cynicom (#13)
#19. To: Jethro Tull, red jones, christine, peppa (#14)
I put this under 4 Play for laughs, but it seems the Os - like all leftists/liberals - lack a funny bone.
#20. To: christine, Red Jones (#12)
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Billy Paul- Me and Mrs Jones
we've got a thing going on.
We both know that it's wrong,
to let it go now.
at the same café
6:30 I know - I know she'll be there.
Holding hands - making all kinds of plans
while the jukebox play our favourite song.
Mrs. Jones – Mrs. Jones –
Mrs. Jones
we've got a thing going on.
We both know that it's wrong,
but it's much too strong
to let it go now.
That we don't build our hopes up too high.
'Cause she's got her own obligations
and so – and so do I...
Mrs. Jones – Mrs. Jones – Mrs. Jones
we've got a thing going on.
We both know that it's wrong,
but it's much too strong
to let it go now.
It hurts so much - it hurts so much inside
Now she'll go her way
And I'll go mine.
Tomorrow we'll meet the same
place – the same time.
Mrs. Jones – Mrs. Jones –
Mrs. Jones
we've got a thing going on.
We've gotta be extra careful.
We can't afford to build our
hopes up too high.
and talk with you,
at the same place,
the same café,
the same time
And we're gonna hold hands like we used to
We're gonna talk it over, talk it over
We know, they know, and you
know and I know that it was
wrong
But I'll make it strong...
We've gotta let 'em know now
We've got a thing going on...
...thing going on
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
FLASH!
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
I want to know more about Obama's phone company
#24. To: Cynicom (#19)
The white guilters on 4um that have come out of their hidey holes all seem to be using the same play book, always on the same page, and sometimes quoting the same lines.
#25. To: Zoroaster (#20)
Is it a ploy, or do the Zionists behind the curtain fear Obama?
#26. To: Red Jones (#22)
those stories were never told in the mainstream mass media. they told the Monica stories ad nauseum, but ignored all the others.
#27. To: Jethro Tull, red jones (#26)
#28. To: Cynicom (#15)
Agreed...
Lord Acton
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#30. To: Red Jones (#16)
They did not make clear that Clinton & his wife have a track record of swinging and snorting cocaine. the stories about Clinton's sex scandals have always been taboo other than the one Monica story.
#31. To: Jethro Tull (#9)
The question, Red, is how a man (Obama) can be a member of a radical black church (Trinity) for 20 years, led by a full blown black racist (Wright), and not be a racist himself. I'm going to explore that issue whether folks approve or not.
Obama captures the grade school demographic.
#32. To: Red Jones (#22)
any of the 3 candidates could be destroyed by the media.
Lord Acton
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
#34. To: James Deffenbach (#28)
Personally, I find it very hard to figure out all this hero worship of just another statist whore. And Obama is a statist whore just as surely as Hillary and McCain are.
#35. To: christine (#30)
#36. To: Peppa (#31)
#37. To: Red Jones (#33)
Do you think there's a better choice to vote for on election day? I've written in people's names before, they didn't win. The only benefit I can see in voting for Obama is to send a message to the rest of the world that at least we Americans tried to put in a candidate who pretended to be not-so-pro-war as the others. thats a very small benefit I admit, but do you have a better way to go?
#38. To: angle (#36)
White people can't jump.
#39. To: christine (#37)
#40. To: Cynicom (#38)
#41. To: Red Jones (#39)
all I've done is point out that the media is going out of its way to take Obama down.
#42. To: christine (#37)
(Edited)
#43. To: ... (#40)
And by your reasoning, is everyone who attends a Catholic Church a fag and a child molester?
#44. To: Cynicom (#41)
(Edited)
And the $200 million dollars plus "donated" to Obummer has come from WHERE?????
#45. To: angle (#36)
White people can't jump.
#46. To: Cynicom (#43)
And by your reasoning, is everyone who attends a Catholic Church a fag and a child molester?
#47. To: Jethro Tull, cynicom (#9)
I'm going to explore that issue whether folks approve or not.
#48. To: Peppa (#45)
I've heard that.
#49. To: Cynicom (#43)
And anyone making remarks such as this proves themselves to be intellectually deficient.
#50. To: christine, Red Jones (#12)
all of that about the other two is known and has been posted many times for years. old news. obama is the unknown and the man of the hour...iow, the new news.
#51. To: angle (#47)
#52. To: ..., Cynicom, all (#44)
And the $200 million dollars plus "donated" to Obummer has come from WHERE?????
#53. To: angle (#50)
Dog and pony show. PLUS the added bonus of inflaming race relations.
#54. To: Cynicom (#34)
Well, the reason is not stupidity, ignorance nor lack of programmed education.
Lord Acton
#55. To: Cynicom (#13)
There is like info coming out about McKooKs reverend
#56. To: Cynicom (#15)
#57. To: lodwick (#52)
BHO's people say that the donations still 'average' $96 a pop, even with the recent corporate funding.
#58. To: Red Jones (#16)
This story above is from New York Post.
#59. To: lodwick, jethro tull.peppa (#52)
#60. To: Cynicom (#48)
They do support the tax system rather well however, to provide for all the goodies handed out by the government.
#61. To: ..., all (#57)
#62. To: DeaconBenjamin (#55)
He attends church?
#63. To: Cynicom (#59)
The Nixons and Eisenhowers all gave the full limit, the very same people that supported George Bush four years ago. It seems to me Obama should return that money.
#64. To: Jethro Tull, *Obama 2008* (#0)
(Edited)
#65. To: Cynicom (#25)
Obummer is USEFUL and EXPENDABLE.
#66. To: Cynicom (#59)
#67. To: Cynicom (#59)
The Nixons and Eisenhowers all gave the full limit, the very same people that supported George Bush four years ago. It seems to me Obama should return that money.
#68. To: Cynicom (#41)
Obama and his lovely bride have lots of friends in the Health Care world, and ehhhh... Chicago worlds.
#69. To: angle (#65)
And serves to keep the discussion off the issues.
#70. To: angle (#65)
And serves to keep the discussion off the issues.
#71. To: Cynicom, robin (#41)
And the $200 million dollars plus "donated" to Obummer has come from WHERE?????
#72. To: ... (#40)
And by your reasoning, is everyone who attends a Catholic Church a fag and a child molester?
#73. To: Peppa (#68)
That same year, Michelle Obama's income as an administrator at the not-for- profit University of Chicago Hospitals nearly tripled to $316,962, from $121,910.
#74. To: Cynicom, angle, all (#69)
When one stops to think about that, there are no issues that divide them, none.
#75. To: James Deffenbach (#54)
by what I believe to be otherwise intelligent people and it just doesn't make any sense to me.
#76. To: lodwick (#67)
Besides, this is the first 'fresh meat' (s)election since when?
#77. To: Cynicom (#73)
Ovbummer says he is a child of poverty, lived on food stamps and handouts and now he goes from rags to riches?????
#78. To: lodwick (#74)
Bottom line.
#79. To: ... (#40)
And by your reasoning, is everyone who attends a Catholic Church a fag and a child molester?
#80. To: Peppa (#68)
That year he received $26,159,000 in total compensation.
#81. To: Cynicom (#73)
#82. To: Red Jones (#70)
CNN should have Clinton or Mccain or Obama on and ask them
#83. To: noone222 (#81)
Would it be politically incorrect to ascribe the title "dark horse" to Obummer ?
#84. To: noone222 (#81)
Would it be politically incorrect
#85. To: angle (#80)
To put that into perspective, that year Wal-Mart had 400 times the amount of revenue that TreeHouse Foods did, while their CEO received less than a third of the total compensation, that Sam Reed did.
#86. To: angle (#82)
Why would they want to do that. They're funded by the same people who run the Fed.
#87. To: Peppa (#85)
Now what?
#88. To: angle (#75)
They're somewhat intelligent; they just have an agenda and there are more than a couple of 'em here.
Lord Acton
#89. To: James Deffenbach (#88)
it doesn't seem like any of the establishment's candidates have many, if any, supporters on here. And I think that is a good thing.
#90. To: Cynicom (#73)
Must be an error there.
#91. To: angle (#87)
Have you read The Revolution by RP?
#92. To: angle (#89)
Ten operatives posting incessantly drives away new readers who don't ascribe the the crimminal's choices for us.
Lord Acton
#93. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#94. To: James Deffenbach, cynicom (#92)
Do you think Obama really has ten supporters on here?
#95. To: Peppa (#90)
I heard he finally paid off his student loans a couple years ago.
#96. To: angle (#94)
#97. To: angle (#95)
Are you suggesting he used his influence as a representative of the people to enrich his personal situation?
#98. To: Old Friend (#93)
(Edited)
Interesting development. But what does this have to do with Obamas qualifications to be president?
#99. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Is this a tenant of Black Theology?
#100. To: Peppa (#98)
(Edited)
#101. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
but it seems the Os - like all leftists/liberals - lack a funny bone.
#102. To: Peppa (#98)
#103. To: christine (#30)
huh? during the clinton years that information was everywhere! remember gennifer flowers and paula jones and kathleen willey? same with mcCain. his womanizing and leaving his first sick wife was covered. all presidential candidates get this treatment. it's not exclusive to obama and wright.
#104. To: Cynicom (#100)
What really counts is that he supports Israel to the limit.
#105. To: Cynicom (#100)
What really counts is that he supports Israel to the limit.
#106. To: Old Friend (#102)
It still doesn't negate my opinion that Obama is slightly better then Hillary or McCain.
#107. To: Peppa (#105)
I like the idea of eliminating foreign aid, and let governments stand on their own.
#108. To: Red Jones (#33)
#109. To: iconoclast (#101)
#110. To: angle (#107)
I like the idea of eliminating foreign aid, and let governments stand on their own. Fibber. You did read The Revolution.
#111. To: Jethro Tull (#109)
This O sees nothing funny about adultery.
#112. To: Jethro Tull (#109)
Barry Obama is 1/2 Caucasian, 7/16 Arab and 1/16 African. That alone makes him an Arab-American, not an African-American. And there's your first display of re- writing history.
#113. To: iconoclast (#111)
#114. To: iconoclast (#108)
Other disgusting tidbits about McCain at that point .... the wife he dumped had been crippled by a a car accident while he was captive.
#115. To: robin (#64)
And this has ZERO to do with Obama.
#116. To: Jethro Tull (#115)
#117. To: robin (#116)
For anyone to try and tie whatever Wright may or may not have done with Obama is so absurd it deserves condemnation.
#118. To: Jethro Tull (#115)
Pastor Wright Erased From Obama’s Website
#119. To: Peppa (#118)
Pastor Wright Erased From Obama’s Website
#120. To: Jethro Tull (#117)
#121. To: Jethro Tull (#119)
if he didn't crawl in bed with him in the first place.
#122. To: Jethro Tull (#119)
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/pastor-wright-erased-from-obamas-website
#123. To: Jethro Tull (#121)
#124. To: Peppa (#122)
#125. To: Cynicom (#124)
hehehehehehe
#126. To: Cynicom (#59)
The Nixons and Eisenhowers all gave the full limit, the very same people that supported George Bush four years ago.
#127. To: robin (#121)
How do you equate attending someone's church as crawling into bed with him?
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