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Title: An Open Letter to the Obamophobes
Source: Me
URL Source: [None]
Published: May 4, 2008
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 19:22:53 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Views: 8254
Comments: 154

I keep hearing from a number of thoughtful and well-meaning members of this forum statements such as this one: "most Os have yet to put together a rational argument for his candidacy, save white guilt." I am not going to comment on the honesty of the charge but I am going to address it. It should settle the issue definitively and it should turn all rational and America-loving Obamophobes into enthusiastic supporters of Dr. Barack.

If you (and it's a generic 'you') insist on being so intellectually lazy or derelict as to being unable or unwilling to see any difference between the three of them, that's the way you see things or rather imagine them and I am unable to cure or even treat your intellectual laziness or dereliction. I shall point out to you that even Dr. Paul saw a difference between the 3 and expressed a preference for Dr. Obama but you showed extreme obtuseness, dogmatism, lack of imagination and an inability to accept facts on a recent thread discussing that topic.

Some of you or rather all of you (still that generic 'you') keep throwing the "there's not one dime worth of difference between the three" argument - never backed with facts of any kind - to which I reply: remove the dogmatic blinders and look around. Yes, Dr. O is a bit of a socialist because he is a Democrat but, remember, presidents don't get to appropriate one dime, it's the congress that appropriates funds and there will be no expansion of socialism unless the congress funds it. However, presidents do have the power to bring our troops back home and avoid wasting trillions on ruinous military adventures. It is likely that Dr. O would ease our foreign wars burden if elected president, even Dr. Paul admits it.

So, help save America. Help Obama defeat Hillary and politically slay the odious McCain so that the American dreams don't die yet. There's trillions of dollars worth of difference between them. And, if you are concerned about socialist spending, help elect fiscally conservative reps and senators.

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#94. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-05   11:13:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, to play devil's advocate here for a minute, hasn't Obama been calling for an expanded role in Afghanistan? What good is swapping one foreign policy quagmire for another? Sure, "obliterate them" Hillary is an obscenity; and so is "bomb bomb" McCain, but is "let's bomb Pakistan" Obomba any better?

Ghost, you are no better an advocate for the devil than you are for Obama. Obama has clearly stated that he desires to root out bin Laden and rid the world of him. That was our nation's stance way back in '02 ... one that was damn nearly supported by our all of our fellow citizens and just about the entire civilized world!

I for one still support it.

I speak as one who has often stated the position that of the 3 bad candidates left "in the running", Obama is the least bad. I still believe that, a LITTLE BIT,

For cysakes ghost, please CEASE such "support".

With friends like you, who needs enemies?

Go ahead .... join the "vote for Aaron Burr" camp, or whoever ... you're not opposing the Obamaphobes, you're tossing them raw meat every day.

In this instance, the Decider is finally on to something ... you're either for us or against us.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-05-05   13:00:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-05   13:20:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There are things about Obama that trouble me. His association with Zbig, for example, bothers me. Zbig was in large part an architect of the Afghanistan policy that dragged that nation into chaos, killed a lot of people, and created Al Qaida, among a host of other sins.

1) Bush's plan was not Zbig's plan.

2) Created Al Qaida? I hate to even paraphrase McInsane, but Al Qaida was IN Afghanistan!

3) I assure you Zbig's plan did not include "cutting and running" from the Paki border to pursue the Iraq debacle and the Oil & Israel dreams.

Stop hitting the snooze button ... there's serious election coming up in November and if enough people who should know better don't come down on the right side you're gonna have a couple of doozies to finally make your choice from.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-05-05   13:44:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

...there's serious election coming up in November and if enough people who should know better don't come down on the right side you're gonna have a couple of doozies to finally make your choice from.

Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin notwithstanding, of course.

Given I identify with Ron Paul, that's how I'm voting. In the larger scheme of things in North Carolina, my vote, as former Governor Jesse Ventura put it, is essentially for none of the above. I can't identify with any of the Big 3. I'll vote for Ron Paul tomorrow and sleep very peaceful about it.

However, if Hillary gets elected, I can just about assure you one of the Houses of Congress will go Republican. If elections are honest, we historically vote in opposing parties in the various branches. A Republican House/Senate would actually give a little lip service to the Constitution and defy Hillary on almost every move. A McCain presidency would almost assure a Democrat Congress who would present a real stumbling block to his aggressive foreign agenda.

scooter  posted on  2008-05-05   14:27:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#119. To: scooter (#118) (Edited)

However, if Hillary gets elected, I can just about assure you one of the Houses of Congress will go Republican. If elections are honest, we historically vote in opposing parties in the various branches. A Republican House/Senate would actually give a little lip service to the Constitution and defy Hillary on almost every move. A McCain presidency would almost assure a Democrat Congress who would present a real stumbling block to his aggressive foreign agenda.

Partisan gridlock is the best we can hope for as of now.

President Obama + GOP Congress would be great. He'd propose bills, they wouldn't pass. They pass, he vetoes. No new laws passed means no harm done.

Now, McCain + Democratic Congress is more of a problem. McCain gets along well with Democrats, especially pro-neocon Democrat "hawks," so having a split Exec/Legislative branch wouldn't give us the same safeguards.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-05 14:30:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin notwithstanding, of course.

Given I identify with Ron Paul, that's how I'm voting. In the larger scheme of things in North Carolina, my vote, as former Governor Jesse Ventura put it, is essentially for none of the above. I can't identify with any of the Big 3. I'll vote for Ron Paul tomorrow and sleep very peaceful about it.

However, if Hillary gets elected, I can just about assure you one of the Houses of Congress will go Republican. If elections are honest, we historically vote in opposing parties in the various branches. A Republican House/Senate would actually give a little lip service to the Constitution and defy Hillary on almost every move. A McCain presidency would almost assure a Democrat Congress who would present a real stumbling block to his aggressive foreign agenda.

McNuts will rubber stamp whatever the RATS and he can conjure up, including the CFR's-rockefellerian Globalist agenda...I guess the best case scenario is that the CFR-D and CFR-R Party wings will cease to exist? The worst case scenario is that Marxism in the form of a North American Soviet Union and Union of the Americas takes over and quickly. It's on the way right now...it's all bad from here on out, no matter how it's dressed up. The globaalists won.

FOH  posted on  2008-05-05 14:54:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

we historically vote in opposing parties in the various branches. A Republican House/Senate would actually give a little lip service to the Constitution and defy Hillary on almost every move. A McCain presidency would almost assure a Democrat Congress who would present a real stumbling block to his aggressive foreign agenda.

Au contraire, scooter, if history is any indicator.

In the twelve instances of a President's first time run for the Presidency (back to and including Hoover) the results are as follows:

Only two presidents entered office with the opposition party in control of both houses. (Nixon and Bush I).

One president entered office with the houses split. (Reagan, Republican Senate).

One other (Bush II) had a 50/50 split in the Senate (if you want to count that).

iconoclast  posted on  2008-05-05 15:57:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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