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Title: An Open Letter to the Obamophobes
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 19:22:53 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Views: 3896
Comments: 154
I keep hearing from a number of thoughtful and well-meaning members of this forum statements such as this one: "most Os have yet to put together a rational argument for his candidacy, save white guilt." I am not going to comment on the honesty of the charge but I am going to address it. It should settle the issue definitively and it should turn all rational and America-loving Obamophobes into enthusiastic supporters of Dr. Barack. If you (and it's a generic 'you') insist on being so intellectually lazy or derelict as to being unable or unwilling to see any difference between the three of them, that's the way you see things or rather imagine them and I am unable to cure or even treat your intellectual laziness or dereliction. I shall point out to you that even Dr. Paul saw a difference between the 3 and expressed a preference for Dr. Obama but you showed extreme obtuseness, dogmatism, lack of imagination and an inability to accept facts on a recent thread discussing that topic. Some of you or rather all of you (still that generic 'you') keep throwing the "there's not one dime worth of difference between the three" argument - never backed with facts of any kind - to which I reply: remove the dogmatic blinders and look around. Yes, Dr. O is a bit of a socialist because he is a Democrat but, remember, presidents don't get to appropriate one dime, it's the congress that appropriates funds and there will be no expansion of socialism unless the congress funds it. However, presidents do have the power to bring our troops back home and avoid wasting trillions on ruinous military adventures. It is likely that Dr. O would ease our foreign wars burden if elected president, even Dr. Paul admits it. So, help save America. Help Obama defeat Hillary and politically slay the odious McCain so that the American dreams don't die yet. There's trillions of dollars worth of difference between them. And, if you are concerned about socialist spending, help elect fiscally conservative reps and senators.
My friend, the rationale has been provided to you, more than once: the alternatives to Dr. O are either Hillary or McCain. We can hardly afford one of the 2 in the White House.
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#114. To: ghostdogtxn (#105)
I think it's funny that two neocons put up a ridiculous gas tax holiday and BHO was right there to look like some People's champion while being the most Liberal United States Senator in the whole coop...they're all mocking us. TPTB pwned us.
There are things about Obama that trouble me. His association with Zbig, for example, bothers me. Zbig was in large part an architect of the Afghanistan policy that dragged that nation into chaos, killed a lot of people, and created Al Qaida, among a host of other sins. 1) Bush's plan was not Zbig's plan. 2) Created Al Qaida? I hate to even paraphrase McInsane, but Al Qaida was IN Afghanistan! 3) I assure you Zbig's plan did not include "cutting and running" from the Paki border to pursue the Iraq debacle and the Oil & Israel dreams. Stop hitting the snooze button ... there's serious election coming up in November and if enough people who should know better don't come down on the right side you're gonna have a couple of doozies to finally make your choice from.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
I guess I'll worry about that when we get off the Chinese welfare that Bush has put our nation on.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
1) Bush's plan was not Zbig's plan. 2) Created Al Qaida? I hate to even paraphrase McInsane, but Al Qaida was IN Afghanistan! 3) I assure you Zbig's plan did not include "cutting and running" from the Paki border to pursue the Iraq debacle and the Oil & Israel dreams. Stop hitting the snooze button ... there's serious election coming up in November and if enough people who should know better don't come down on the right side you're gonna have a couple of doozies to finally make your choice from.
Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin notwithstanding, of course. Given I identify with Ron Paul, that's how I'm voting. In the larger scheme of things in North Carolina, my vote, as former Governor Jesse Ventura put it, is essentially for none of the above. I can't identify with any of the Big 3. I'll vote for Ron Paul tomorrow and sleep very peaceful about it. However, if Hillary gets elected, I can just about assure you one of the Houses of Congress will go Republican. If elections are honest, we historically vote in opposing parties in the various branches. A Republican House/Senate would actually give a little lip service to the Constitution and defy Hillary on almost every move. A McCain presidency would almost assure a Democrat Congress who would present a real stumbling block to his aggressive foreign agenda.
"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.
Partisan gridlock is the best we can hope for as of now. President Obama + GOP Congress would be great. He'd propose bills, they wouldn't pass. They pass, he vetoes. No new laws passed means no harm done. Now, McCain + Democratic Congress is more of a problem. McCain gets along well with Democrats, especially pro-neocon Democrat "hawks," so having a split Exec/Legislative branch wouldn't give us the same safeguards.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Given I identify with Ron Paul, that's how I'm voting. In the larger scheme of things in North Carolina, my vote, as former Governor Jesse Ventura put it, is essentially for none of the above. I can't identify with any of the Big 3. I'll vote for Ron Paul tomorrow and sleep very peaceful about it. However, if Hillary gets elected, I can just about assure you one of the Houses of Congress will go Republican. If elections are honest, we historically vote in opposing parties in the various branches. A Republican House/Senate would actually give a little lip service to the Constitution and defy Hillary on almost every move. A McCain presidency would almost assure a Democrat Congress who would present a real stumbling block to his aggressive foreign agenda. McNuts will rubber stamp whatever the RATS and he can conjure up, including the CFR's-rockefellerian Globalist agenda...I guess the best case scenario is that the CFR-D and CFR-R Party wings will cease to exist? The worst case scenario is that Marxism in the form of a North American Soviet Union and Union of the Americas takes over and quickly. It's on the way right now...it's all bad from here on out, no matter how it's dressed up. The globaalists won.
Obama Economic Controller By Webster Tarpley OBAMA'S TRIFECTA: FOREIGN POLICY LINE IS RUN BY TRILATERAL FOUNDER ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI -OBAMA''S WIFE LINKED TO COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS WASHINGTON DC -- Barack Obama's top economics adviser is a member of the super-secret Skull & Bones society of Yale University, of which George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, and John Kerry are also members, reliable sources confirmed tonight. Goolsbee is widely reported to have told Obama not to back a compulsory freeze on home mortgage foreclosures to help the struggling middle class in the current depression crisis, as demanded by former candidate John Edwards. Hillary Clinton has advocated a one-year voluntary freeze on foreclosures. Obama has offered counselors to comfort mortgage victims as they are dispossessed, citing the 'moral hazard' of protecting the public interest from Wall Street sharks. By adding the infamous Skull & Bones secret society to his campaign roster, Obama, who bills himself as the candidate of change and hope, has attained a prefect trifecta of oligarchical and financier establishment backing for his attempt to seize the nomination of the Democratic Party for 2008. Obama's main overall image adviser and foreign policy adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the co-founder of David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission, and the mastermind of the disastrous Carter administration. Obama's wife Michelle is reputed to be closely linked to the Council on Foreign Relations. Behind the utopian platitudes dished up by the Illinois senator, the face of the Wall Street money elite comes into clearer and clearer focus. George Will, in an October 2007 Washington Post column saluted Goolsbee's "nuanced understanding" of traditional Democratic issues like globalization and income inequality; he "seems to be the sort of fellow -- amiable, empirical, and reasonable--you would want at the elbow of a Democratic president, if such there must be," wrote the arch-oligarchical apologist Will. From Wikipedia: 'Austan D. Goolsbee is an economist and is currently the Robert P. Gwinn Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business. He is also a Research Fellow at the American Bar Foundation[1], Research Associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a member of the Panel of Economic Advisors to the Congressional Budget Office. He has been Barack Obama's economic advisor since Obama's successful U.S. Senate campaign in Illinois. He is the lead economic advisor to the 2008 Obama presidential campaign.' pInG
That's a lotta weight to put on one man's shoulders. He's a politician, not some divine presence come to "rescue" America. It's the very highhandedness of this claim that this man will "remake the world" that makes some of us laugh. You gotta be shittin' me.
Au contraire, scooter, if history is any indicator. In the twelve instances of a President's first time run for the Presidency (back to and including Hoover) the results are as follows: Only two presidents entered office with the opposition party in control of both houses. (Nixon and Bush I). One president entered office with the houses split. (Reagan, Republican Senate). One other (Bush II) had a 50/50 split in the Senate (if you want to count that).
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Any points to make since the end of the Cold War?
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
The old, "vote for "x" or the world as we know it will end" routine! The same shit that's been bandied about by ideologues of the two-party fraud since the days of the BBS message boards. I've heard it all before. I'll tell you now the same thing I've told others in the past. I don't care. I have certain beliefs. If I do not believe that a candidate's belief's are in line with my beliefs, then they do not get my vote. Period. I do not believe that Obama's belief's are in line with my own. I believe him to be a government supremist. The same goes for Clinton and McCain. If I thought that Obama was serious in his rhetoric about the war, it might be different, but I do not believe this to be the case. I believe he is pandering for votes. Others disagree and that's fine. They have their vote and I have mine.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
How soon we forget the havoc in NY, the multiple beheadings, oft as not of innocents. No, Jihadist terrror is for real. He, bin Laden, proclaimed responsibility for 9/11, live and on video, right before your lyin' eyes ... even confessed that he was pleasantly rather amazed at the resultant destruction. It he chooses to recant on the gallows, just pull the trap door on the SOB anyway. Had the neocons not leaped on the tragedy to excuse their lust for Imperial power + Israeli domination of the ME ... and the Oil Prez & Veep for the same plus riches, the job would have been accomplished long ago. BTW, Did the FBI wipe any of the egg of their faces before making their statement?
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
It's a pleasant dream, but I ref. you to #126
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
You should live so long as to cast an effectual vote. Best of luck.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
How effective votes are are strictly in the eyes of those casting the vote. You're welcome to your opinion and to cast your vote as you see fit, as will I.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
Sounds like a plan!
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Middle East hegemony and corporate profits just might be a real goals. They don't war just for war's sake, but to use it to achieve one or more real goals.
[robin different thread] it [nc - using bozo] is an attempt to escape hateful, racist remarks that do not make my day better. [Pinguinite #22] And if it doesn't matter, what's the big deal that there's so much infighting here over this subject? As there is little policy difference between Obama and Hillary, and almost no difference argued, the reason some proclaim the election makes no difference and then spend all day bashing just one candidate, Obama, is not based upon his ideology or policy positions. Obama is black and it is based on race. We have had info being posted directly from racist (and sexist) Christian Identity slop, just not identified as such. One such site offers a poll on whether to send the Blacks back to Africa, and a petititon to repeal the 19th Amendment and revoke women's right to vote. The women can take a neat pledge giving their vote to their godlike husband: "I, as a submissive woman of God, and of sound mind, do hereby give my vote to this man of God: __________________ to exercise for the glory of Yahvh, our Creator." This site has been blessed with online polling data from that nuthouse. One might say a poll from such a source is less than reliable. Hillary voted against a ban on partial birth abortion, October 21, 2003. That is the procedure where the child is partly delivered feet first, the skull is pierced and the brains vacuumed out, the skull collapsed, then the delivery completed, cutting it up into pieces as necessary to get it out. On what policy or ideology basis could one single out Obama for abortion condemnation? If such people want to say they are racists and hate black people, they can do so. I get tired of a one-sided racist smear campaign disingenuously posing as non-racist opinion.
Real but bogus. But, I just can't let go of revenge for invasion. Probably just the Irish in me.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Obama is black and it is based on race. Buckle on your shit-storm helmet. The least you will be accused of is the generally accepted diagnosis of moi, suffering from "white guilt".
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Obama's supporters say they are racist by supporting his racist ass. You got some nerve to cry racist when supporting a racist candidate. Some nerve indeed. Much like Obama's.
God is always good!
Calling Jesse Hijackson, Calling Albert Sharpton, ah hey hey heyyyy...
Amazing isn't it? They conveniently forget, as does Obama when he calls people a "typical white person", that the guy is half white.
God is always good!
Bitter-clinging-xenophobic-holy-roller-gun-nut bump...=)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Excellent post. None of the Above in 2008!
Elect anyone but Obama, Clinton, or McCain.
Boy, were you fucking wrong or what?
You pathetic f**king world socialist scum.
I think Xlinton had more raw political talent back in his prime. Since his botched bypass surgery and rather obvious brain damage (inevitable in any heart-lung machine procedure), he has lost his skill. Take his teleprompter away and Yomama is nothing. Really. I think of him as the voice-over announcer for our Teleprompter-In-Chief.
Obviously, reading Hayek has had a good influence on you. Of course, I would say that since I agree with you. :)
funny. did obama use a teleprompter tuesday night when taking questions from the press?
He had a big screen above and behind the press corps. In his previous press conference he had two small teleprompters on the floor to the right and left of his podium, which retracted after he gave his opening statement. The big screen stayed up.
are you saying his answers to the questions then were his own?
Good point.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Are you nuts? I didn't listen to that crap! LOL. I did listen to the tail end of Rush today and didn't shut the radio off quick enough to avoid Sean Vannity. He mentioned this presser and said that Yomama used the teleprompter for his opening remarks of four minutes and then winged it. The TOTUS part was his usual eternal campaign speech; his impromptu was a stumbling bore. Well, according to Vannity anyway.
Here's what the NY Times reported yesterday: "The White House made a logistical change for this news conference. At his first prime-time conference, they had set up two small teleprompters to his left and right for his opening statement. They then retracted to the floor for the question-and-answer session. "But the machines were visible in some camera shots, drawing scorn from critics because past presidents generally did not use teleprompters except for major speeches. This time, aides dispensed with teleprompters and set up a larger screen behind the reporters, so Mr. Obama looked straight into the cameras as he gave his opening statement, in effect addressing viewers at home more directly."
Obama's shameless kissing of the ring with AIPAC and Israel bothers me, too. I recognize that such bowing and rhetorical scraping to the PTB is sometimes necessary to maintain one's aspirations, but it still bothers me.
#115. To: ghostdogtxn (#105)
#116. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#113)
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Do you disagree that Obama will work to expand the welfare state, or do you just not care?
#117. To: iconoclast (#115)
Crack that O'whip !! LOLOL
#118. To: iconoclast (#115)
...there's serious election coming up in November and if enough people who should know better don't come down on the right side you're gonna have a couple of doozies to finally make your choice from.
#119. To: scooter (#118)
(Edited)
However, if Hillary gets elected, I can just about assure you one of the Houses of Congress will go Republican. If elections are honest, we historically vote in opposing parties in the various branches. A Republican House/Senate would actually give a little lip service to the Constitution and defy Hillary on almost every move. A McCain presidency would almost assure a Democrat Congress who would present a real stumbling block to his aggressive foreign agenda.
#120. To: iconoclast (#115)
#121. To: scooter (#118)
Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin notwithstanding, of course.
#122. To: ghostdogtxn (#120)
(Edited)
http://www.rense.com/general80/web.htm
To Zbig, the Afghanis were expendable pawns in his ambition to humiliate the Soviet Union and bloody them up a bit. That tells you a lot about the man and his opinions, and it ought to trouble you that Obama has taken such a Macchiavellian on as an advisor.
Is Skull And Bones Member
Austan 'The Ghoul' Goolsbee, Yale '91
2-4-8
#123. To: Jethro Tull, *Obama Reality Check* (#122)
#124. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
So, help save America
#125. To: All, *North American Union* (#122)
By adding the infamous Skull & Bones secret society to his campaign roster, Obama, who bills himself as the candidate of change and hope, has attained a prefect trifecta of oligarchical and financier establishment backing for his attempt to seize the nomination of the Democratic Party for 2008. Obama's main overall image adviser and foreign policy adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the co-founder of David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission, and the mastermind of the disastrous Carter administration. Obama's wife Michelle is reputed to be closely linked to the Council on Foreign Relations. Behind the utopian platitudes dished up by the Illinois senator, the face of the Wall Street money elite comes into clearer and clearer focus.
#126. To: scooter (#118)
we historically vote in opposing parties in the various branches. A Republican House/Senate would actually give a little lip service to the Constitution and defy Hillary on almost every move. A McCain presidency would almost assure a Democrat Congress who would present a real stumbling block to his aggressive foreign agenda.
#127. To: ghostdogtxn (#120)
#128. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
My friend, the rationale has been provided to you, more than once: the alternatives to Dr. O are either Hillary or McCain.
#129. To: Red Jones (#108)
I myself don't support this 'war on terror'. And when Obama voices support for it, then I don't like him for it. The FBI said there is no evidence agaisnt Bin Laden in the september 11 events. the whole war on terror is a wild goose chase where the only real goal is more war.
#130. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#119)
President Obama + GOP Congress would be great. He'd propose bills, they wouldn't pass. They pass, he vetoes. No new laws passed means no harm done.
#131. To: Hayek Fan (#128)
If I do not believe that a candidate's belief's are in line with my beliefs, then they do not get my vote.
#132. To: iconoclast (#131)
You should live so long as to cast an effectual vote. Best of luck.
#133. To: iconoclast (#131)
(Edited)
You should live so long as to cast an effectual vote. Best of luck.
#134. To: Hayek Fan (#133)
You're welcome to your opinion and to cast your vote as you see fit, as will I.
#135. To: Red Jones, iconoclast (#108)
the whole war on terror is a wild goose chase where the only real goal is more war.
#136. To: Pinguinite (#22)
[a vast rightwing conspirator - article] Some of you or rather all of you (still that generic 'you') keep throwing the "there's not one dime worth of difference between the three" argument
#137. To: nolu_chan, Red Jones (#135)
Middle East hegemony and corporate profits just might be a real goals.
#138. To: nolu_chan (#136)
As there is little policy difference between Obama and Hillary, and almost no difference argued, the reason some proclaim the election makes no difference and then spend all day bashing just one candidate, Obama, is not based upon his ideology or policy positions.
#139. To: nolu_chan, *Racist 2008* (#136)
If such people want to say they are racists and hate black people, they can do so.
#140. To: Racism Alert, Racism Alert, Racism Alert (#136)
Obama is black and it is based on race.
#141. To: FOH (#140)
Calling Jesse Hijackson, Calling Albert Sharpton, ah hey hey heyyyy...
#142. To: RickyJ (#141)
#143. To: iconoclast (#127)
#144. To: ghostdogtxn (#105)
#145. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#55)
Is it possible that Obama would not fully deliver on his promise? Of course it is. All we have in our Universe is probabilities. However, the odds are in favor of his not starting new wars and withdrawing most troops from Iraq.
#146. To: nolu_chan (#136)
Obama is black and it is based on race.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#147. To: PSUSA (#44)
Obama could be the worst of the bunch. He is almost too glib. Remember how well Klinton worked the crowd? How did his presidency work out?
#148. To: Hayek Fan (#128)
I believe him to be a government supremist. The same goes for Clinton and McCain. If I thought that Obama was serious in his rhetoric about the war, it might be different, but I do not believe this to be the case.
#149. To: TooConservative (#147)
I think of him as the voice-over announcer for our Teleprompter-In-Chief.
#150. To: christine (#149)
did obama use a teleprompter tuesday night
I've already said too much.
#151. To: MUDDOG (#150)
#152. To: RickyJ, nolu_chan (#139)
Obama's supporters say they are racist by supporting his racist ass. You got some nerve to cry racist when supporting a racist candidate. Some nerve indeed. Much like Obama's.
Lord Acton
#153. To: christine (#149)
did obama use a teleprompter tuesday night when taking questions from the press?
#154. To: christine (#151)
are you saying his answers to the questions then were his own?
I've already said too much.
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