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Title: An Open Letter to the Obamophobes
Source: Me
URL Source: [None]
Published: May 4, 2008
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 19:22:53 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 7913
Comments: 154

I keep hearing from a number of thoughtful and well-meaning members of this forum statements such as this one: "most Os have yet to put together a rational argument for his candidacy, save white guilt." I am not going to comment on the honesty of the charge but I am going to address it. It should settle the issue definitively and it should turn all rational and America-loving Obamophobes into enthusiastic supporters of Dr. Barack.

If you (and it's a generic 'you') insist on being so intellectually lazy or derelict as to being unable or unwilling to see any difference between the three of them, that's the way you see things or rather imagine them and I am unable to cure or even treat your intellectual laziness or dereliction. I shall point out to you that even Dr. Paul saw a difference between the 3 and expressed a preference for Dr. Obama but you showed extreme obtuseness, dogmatism, lack of imagination and an inability to accept facts on a recent thread discussing that topic.

Some of you or rather all of you (still that generic 'you') keep throwing the "there's not one dime worth of difference between the three" argument - never backed with facts of any kind - to which I reply: remove the dogmatic blinders and look around. Yes, Dr. O is a bit of a socialist because he is a Democrat but, remember, presidents don't get to appropriate one dime, it's the congress that appropriates funds and there will be no expansion of socialism unless the congress funds it. However, presidents do have the power to bring our troops back home and avoid wasting trillions on ruinous military adventures. It is likely that Dr. O would ease our foreign wars burden if elected president, even Dr. Paul admits it.

So, help save America. Help Obama defeat Hillary and politically slay the odious McCain so that the American dreams don't die yet. There's trillions of dollars worth of difference between them. And, if you are concerned about socialist spending, help elect fiscally conservative reps and senators.

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The 3 Stooges were funny, but I don't want to be FORCED to choose one of them to be president. And what we have here are 3 not-so-funny 3 Stooges. Not that our votes mean anything...That is the conclusion some of us have come to anyway.

If people had a choice between Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, who would you vote for? It's the same thing with this (s)election. We have been given (supposedly) 3 "choices", all figureheads and none of which are any good. So it should hardly be surprising that those of us that feel this way will sit this one out, because we don't have a dog in this fight, and frankly it sucks to hope I choose to support the lesser of three evils.

Evidently, you have a lot of faith in Obama. I cannot fault you for that, really. You're going to do what you are going to do, regardless of what anyone says.

I had faith in Reagan. I learned. I had no faith in Poppy Bush or shrub, or Klinton, and I was not disappointed. Now I don't trust any of them to give me the right time of day.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-04   20:14:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If people had a choice between Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, who would you vote for?

That one started a conversation that led to an Obamaconner putting me on filter...

FOH  posted on  2008-05-04   20:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If people had a choice between Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, who would you vote for?

As I explained, we are facing cases of intellectual laziness or dereliction. There are 3 individuals attempting to get the job of US president. They are different and they are likely to act differently, once elected. 2 of them are terrible, the third may be a small positive over what we have now.

Between Hitler, Stalin and Mao... as US presidents? I would eliminate Stalin. Between Hitler and Mao... I'd probably pick Mao. You DO realize that the 3 are 3 VERY different people, don't you?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-04   20:32:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

As I explained, we are facing cases of intellectual laziness or dereliction. There are 3 individuals attempting to get the job of US president. They are different and they are likely to act differently, once elected. 2 of them are terrible, the third may be a small positive over what we have now.

Between Hitler, Stalin and Mao... as US presidents? I would eliminate Stalin. Between Hitler and Mao... I'd probably pick Mao. You DO realize that the 3 are 3 VERY different people, don't you?

First of all, I posted that, not FOH.

So, I suffer from a case of "intellectual laziness or dereliction."? Moi?

You chose Mao. He murdered millions. But evidently you see him as the lesser of 3 evils, since you chose him. There is no difference between 3 people who murder millions of their own citizens.

There is no difference between 3 figureheads that will continue the policies of the real powerbrokers in DC and elsewhere (or they will end up having the backs of their heads exploding like Kennedy if they dont play ball).

It's not cases of "intellectual laziness or dereliction". It's not knowing the difference between right and wrong, or good and evil. Choosing what you hope to be the lesser evil is still choosing evil.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-04   20:45:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There is no difference between 3 figureheads that will continue the policies of the real powerbrokers in DC and elsewhere..

If you're right, and you may be right, then nothing matters because we will get one of these 3.

And if it doesn't matter, what's the big deal that there's so much infighting here over this subject?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   20:50:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

[a vast rightwing conspirator - article] Some of you or rather all of you (still that generic 'you') keep throwing the "there's not one dime worth of difference between the three" argument

[robin different thread] it [nc - using bozo] is an attempt to escape hateful, racist remarks that do not make my day better.

[Pinguinite #22] And if it doesn't matter, what's the big deal that there's so much infighting here over this subject?

As there is little policy difference between Obama and Hillary, and almost no difference argued, the reason some proclaim the election makes no difference and then spend all day bashing just one candidate, Obama, is not based upon his ideology or policy positions.

Obama is black and it is based on race. We have had info being posted directly from racist (and sexist) Christian Identity slop, just not identified as such. One such site offers a poll on whether to send the Blacks back to Africa, and a petititon to repeal the 19th Amendment and revoke women's right to vote. The women can take a neat pledge giving their vote to their godlike husband: "I, as a submissive woman of God, and of sound mind, do hereby give my vote to this man of God: __________________ to exercise for the glory of Yahvh, our Creator."

This site has been blessed with online polling data from that nuthouse. One might say a poll from such a source is less than reliable.

Hillary voted against a ban on partial birth abortion, October 21, 2003. That is the procedure where the child is partly delivered feet first, the skull is pierced and the brains vacuumed out, the skull collapsed, then the delivery completed, cutting it up into pieces as necessary to get it out.

On what policy or ideology basis could one single out Obama for abortion condemnation?

If such people want to say they are racists and hate black people, they can do so. I get tired of a one-sided racist smear campaign disingenuously posing as non-racist opinion.

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-05-06   2:10:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If such people want to say they are racists and hate black people, they can do so.

Obama's supporters say they are racist by supporting his racist ass. You got some nerve to cry racist when supporting a racist candidate. Some nerve indeed. Much like Obama's.

RickyJ  posted on  2008-05-06   9:42:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama's supporters say they are racist by supporting his racist ass. You got some nerve to cry racist when supporting a racist candidate. Some nerve indeed. Much like Obama's.

Good point.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-03-26   18:10:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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