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Title: An Open Letter to the Obamophobes
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 19:22:53 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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I keep hearing from a number of thoughtful and well-meaning members of this forum statements such as this one: "most Os have yet to put together a rational argument for his candidacy, save white guilt." I am not going to comment on the honesty of the charge but I am going to address it. It should settle the issue definitively and it should turn all rational and America-loving Obamophobes into enthusiastic supporters of Dr. Barack. If you (and it's a generic 'you') insist on being so intellectually lazy or derelict as to being unable or unwilling to see any difference between the three of them, that's the way you see things or rather imagine them and I am unable to cure or even treat your intellectual laziness or dereliction. I shall point out to you that even Dr. Paul saw a difference between the 3 and expressed a preference for Dr. Obama but you showed extreme obtuseness, dogmatism, lack of imagination and an inability to accept facts on a recent thread discussing that topic. Some of you or rather all of you (still that generic 'you') keep throwing the "there's not one dime worth of difference between the three" argument - never backed with facts of any kind - to which I reply: remove the dogmatic blinders and look around. Yes, Dr. O is a bit of a socialist because he is a Democrat but, remember, presidents don't get to appropriate one dime, it's the congress that appropriates funds and there will be no expansion of socialism unless the congress funds it. However, presidents do have the power to bring our troops back home and avoid wasting trillions on ruinous military adventures. It is likely that Dr. O would ease our foreign wars burden if elected president, even Dr. Paul admits it. So, help save America. Help Obama defeat Hillary and politically slay the odious McCain so that the American dreams don't die yet. There's trillions of dollars worth of difference between them. And, if you are concerned about socialist spending, help elect fiscally conservative reps and senators.
My friend, the rationale has been provided to you, more than once: the alternatives to Dr. O are either Hillary or McCain. We can hardly afford one of the 2 in the White House.
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#14. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
suuure
As I explained, we are facing cases of intellectual laziness or dereliction. There are 3 individuals attempting to get the job of US president. They are different and they are likely to act differently, once elected. 2 of them are terrible, the third may be a small positive over what we have now. Between Hitler, Stalin and Mao... as US presidents? I would eliminate Stalin. Between Hitler and Mao... I'd probably pick Mao. You DO realize that the 3 are 3 VERY different people, don't you?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Please name for me what Obama or his Party represent that places America first.
suuure If, knowing what is known, one claims that there is not one dime worth of difference between the 3 then, I am sorry, but the 'intellectual laziness or dereliction' diagnostic seems to apply. By the way it's impossible to prove the 'not one dime worth of difference' statement to be true and it is very easy to reject it as untrue.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
My friend, let's not be delusional. We are way past the 'America number one' jingoism now. America is no longer number one. Priority one these days is 'survival' and, by promising not to make more enemies and not to waste more trillions on stupid wars, Obama's presidency makes our survival more likely than otherwise.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Between Hitler, Stalin and Mao... as US presidents? I would eliminate Stalin. Between Hitler and Mao... I'd probably pick Mao. You DO realize that the 3 are 3 VERY different people, don't you? First of all, I posted that, not FOH. So, I suffer from a case of "intellectual laziness or dereliction."? Moi? You chose Mao. He murdered millions. But evidently you see him as the lesser of 3 evils, since you chose him. There is no difference between 3 people who murder millions of their own citizens. There is no difference between 3 figureheads that will continue the policies of the real powerbrokers in DC and elsewhere (or they will end up having the backs of their heads exploding like Kennedy if they dont play ball). It's not cases of "intellectual laziness or dereliction". It's not knowing the difference between right and wrong, or good and evil. Choosing what you hope to be the lesser evil is still choosing evil.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
Well said, though it seems your battling a mentality that says we have the moral right to nuke any other country we want if it makes life more comfortable for us at home.
Of course there are differences. I agree that it's not easy to choose between Hitler and Mao but Mao won because he seems to be a much cooler dude than the other 2. He didn't have Gulags or concentration camps, by the way. Yes, people died but it wasn't done in an efficient, well-organized way. Thet 3 are VERY different and, IF you had the power to choose, you should not give up and throw yourself at the mercy of... whomever.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
If you're right, and you may be right, then nothing matters because we will get one of these 3. And if it doesn't matter, what's the big deal that there's so much infighting here over this subject?
It seems to be so. I remember a couple of discussions on Truman's courageously incinerating 100,000 Japs and most did not agree that he was a mass murderer.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Delusional? I asked a very simple and direct question. Have you an answer?
You had my answer. Oh, as for Obama's party... what does the party have to do with anything? I am against ANY party and I support the criminalization of all party-related activities. We can have a discussion on that at some point.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Your answer is that you're an Obama guy because of a political promise. And I'm delusional? What will you fall for next? Wishes, hopes, fairy dust in the eyes? A promise offered by a politician is what has made you a believer in Obama? Emotional thinking like yours is why Moe, Larry and Curly are on this years menu.
Comrade, have I not been on your filter?
Hey, obey Obama !! He's a nice guy !! /ophilespeak
Fine. Let's phase it another way. Would you rather get shot with a Winchester, a Remington, or a Mossberg?
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
I don't blame the Obamaphobes and I don't blame the Obamaphiles. there is a good case for both. Though I think there is not a dime's worth of difference between the 3 I may actually vote for Obama in November. my main motivation is that I think it is a good faith effort to tell the rest of the world that we Americans don't always vote for the most pro-war candidate. When our government goes forth and utterly does away with many people, then I would prefer that the rest of the world saw us Americans vote in an anti-war direction when we had the choice.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I don't like cancer or AIDS. If I choose not to give myself a case of either, does that make me a cancerphobe? or and AIDSphobe? Does thinking that Obama is nothing but another NWO stooge of a slightly different color making me an Obamaphobe? I'm just trying to see if this open letter applies to me...
Tagline space for rent.
A cooler dude. That is quite intellectual. And you claim others have "intellectual laziness or dereliction"? If you are serious, then act like it. You chose Mao, instead of telling Mao, Hitler, and Stalin to eat *&$% and die twice. So, you are depending on the tender mercies of a mass murderer to carry you through. "IF you had the power to choose, you should not give up and throw yourself at the mercy of... whomever. " That is another false choice. I place myself at no ones mercy. I am responsible for 1 person, myself. I depend on them for nothing, least of all "mercy".
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
If it's such that we will get shot regardless, what's wrong with making a choice? Does it matter enough to argue over it?
There are 2 kinds of people on 4um. Those that like Obama because they are white guilters, and those who hate Obama because they are racists. At least that seems to be the options put forth collectively by us 4umers.
Inarguable points .... but of course they'll be rejected by the 'phobes. That's all they do, reject.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Are you sure? It could be your last chance. Oh! But if you set on your butt you you could get another chance in 2012.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Your nutty comment on the 2nd, and worse, your refusal to amend it, makes your political additions to conversation pure baffonery.
From you, with a mind so open your brain apparently fell out...
Other than someone trying to convince me that I'm going to get less dead with one over the other two, nothing is wrong with it.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
I keep an eye on those in my state legislature and keep track of what they do. They hear from me and my friends on a regular basis. In which state do you reside, if I may ask. I think that is more important anyway. I wish you well on any invasion plans they may be cooking up.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Dusty Springfield This song might be older than some of the Philes, but it's what their support of Obama is based on.
A considerable number have. How's it workin' for yuh?
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
that's reaaaaaly a stretch and a distortion, imo. that comparison you presented became very convoluted. many of us couldn't see your proposition as an either or.
I don't consider this to be fighting. I already stated that I dont blame people for supporting a candidate. But there needs to be a well thought out reason for doing so beyond the fact that he reminds me of The Rock (WWE wrestler and actor). And to pick a candidate because he MAY not be quite as bad as the other 2 is not a good reason to support anyone. Obama could be the worst of the bunch. He is almost too glib. Remember how well Klinton worked the crowd? How did his presidency work out?
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
The banksters must be laughing out loud hysterically at all of this...
I have voted for too many statist whores and plan to quit now.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
This place is infested by the hard left. At the core are lawyers, so that comes as no shock. The keys to the software are in the possession of a man of questionable character, so yes, they must be laughing their asses off.
Your nutty comment on the 2nd, and worse, your refusal to amend it, makes your political additions to conversation pure baffonery. Let's see... You said you'd be willing to shoot an innocent girl for the "greater good" of securing the 2A, and I said I'd refuse to promote the killing of innocent people to promote the 2A. I'll stick with my comment. As for you, it seems your comment is one a certain George W. Bush would agree with and in fact, has taken to heart: Kill and torture innocent people because it's "good". You can take that swill elsewhere.
Except for the off chance that they are right about one not being loaded?
These were you terms: choose between these 3. Apparently, you believe that the coolest thing is to refuse to make a choice because they are all equally bad. Are you aware that Dante found that the Inferno is partitioned into several circles and that there are degrees of monstrosity? Being somewhat familiar with the works and lives of the 3 individuals you mentioned, if there were 3 and only 3 choices, I would favor Mao for U.S. president. I would hope that he defeated Hitler and Stalin.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Neil,
you goofy bastard, because of your gun statement, people are doing just that.
If you have a moral bone in your body, you'd return any money christine has
given you for "service" and then you'd take a long walk off a short pier.
No. Why?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Well, it was nonetheless a parable of my original statement for which I got crucified. And sorry to say, it does not appear to be a stretch in the case of JT: If that's his honest mentality, then he can't be trusted with the 2A.
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#15. To: FOH (#12)
If people had a choice between Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, who would you vote for?
#16. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
#17. To: christine (#14)
keep throwing the "there's not one dime worth of difference between the three" argument - never backed with facts of any kind -
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
Please name for me what Obama or his Party represent that places America first.
#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#15)
As I explained, we are facing cases of intellectual laziness or dereliction. There are 3 individuals attempting to get the job of US president. They are different and they are likely to act differently, once elected. 2 of them are terrible, the third may be a small positive over what we have now.
#20. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#18)
My friend, let's not be delusional. We are way past the 'America number one' jingoism now. America is no longer number one. Priority one these days is 'survival' and, by promising not to make more enemies and not to waste more trillions on stupid wars, Obama's presidency makes our survival more likely than otherwise.
#21. To: PSUSA (#19)
#22. To: PSUSA (#19)
There is no difference between 3 figureheads that will continue the policies of the real powerbrokers in DC and elsewhere..
#23. To: Pinguinite (#20)
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your battling a mentality that says we have the moral right to nuke any other country we want if it makes life more comfortable for us at home.
#24. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#18)
My friend, let's not be delusional.
#25. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
#26. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#25)
You had my answer.
#27. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#15)
Between Hitler, Stalin and Mao... as US presidents? I would eliminate Stalin. Between Hitler and Mao... I'd probably pick Mao. You DO realize that the 3 are 3 VERY different people, don't you?
#28. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
#29. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, christine (#17)
By the way it's impossible to prove the 'not one dime worth of difference' statement to be true and it is very easy to reject it as untrue.
#30. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
(Edited)
#31. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
#32. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#21)
agree that it's not easy to choose between Hitler and Mao but Mao won because he seems to be a much cooler dude than the other 2
#33. To: orangedog (#29)
Fine. Let's phase it another way. Would you rather get shot with a Winchester, a Remington, or a Mossberg?
#34. To: Critter (#31)
Does thinking that Obama is nothing but another NWO stooge of a slightly different color making me an Obamaphobe?
#35. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
#36. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
I have never voted for any statist whore and don't plan to start now.
#37. To: Pinguinite (#34)
At least that seems to be the options put forth collectively by us 4umers.
#38. To: iconoclast (#35)
That's all they do, reject.
#39. To: Pinguinite (#33)
If it's such that we will get shot regardless, what's wrong with making a choice?
#40. To: farmfriend (#4)
#41. To: FOH (#28)
Wishing and hoping and
thinking and praying,
planning and dreaming
#42. To: farmfriend (#7)
Things will only change when enough people stop voting or start voting third party.
#43. To: Pinguinite (#20)
Well said, though it seems your battling a mentality that says we have the moral right to nuke any other country we want if it makes life more comfortable for us at home.
#44. To: Pinguinite (#22)
And if it doesn't matter, what's the big deal that there's so much infighting here over this subject?
#45. To: Jethro Tull (#41)
#46. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
I have never voted for any statist whore and don't plan to start now.
#47. To: PSUSA (#11)
The 3 Stooges were funny, but I don't want to be FORCED to choose one of them to be president. And what we have here are 3 not-so-funny 3 Stooges.
#48. To: FOH (#45)
The banksters must be laughing out loud hysterically at all of this...
#49. To: Jethro Tull (#37)
#50. To: orangedog (#39)
Other than someone trying to convince me that I'm going to get less dead with one over the other two, nothing is wrong with it.
#51. To: PSUSA (#32)
That is another false choice. I place myself at no ones mercy. I am responsible for 1 person, myself. I depend on them for nothing, least of all "mercy".
#52. To: Pinguinite (#49)
You can take that swill elsewhere.
#53. To: FOH (#27)
Comrade, have I not been on your filter?
#54. To: christine (#43)
that's reaaaaaly a stretch and a distortion, imo. that comparison you presented became very convoluted. many of us couldn't see your proposition as an either or.
Yep, the poor thing goes for the greater good.
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