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Title: An Open Letter to the Obamophobes
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 19:22:53 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Views: 3882
Comments: 154
I keep hearing from a number of thoughtful and well-meaning members of this forum statements such as this one: "most Os have yet to put together a rational argument for his candidacy, save white guilt." I am not going to comment on the honesty of the charge but I am going to address it. It should settle the issue definitively and it should turn all rational and America-loving Obamophobes into enthusiastic supporters of Dr. Barack. If you (and it's a generic 'you') insist on being so intellectually lazy or derelict as to being unable or unwilling to see any difference between the three of them, that's the way you see things or rather imagine them and I am unable to cure or even treat your intellectual laziness or dereliction. I shall point out to you that even Dr. Paul saw a difference between the 3 and expressed a preference for Dr. Obama but you showed extreme obtuseness, dogmatism, lack of imagination and an inability to accept facts on a recent thread discussing that topic. Some of you or rather all of you (still that generic 'you') keep throwing the "there's not one dime worth of difference between the three" argument - never backed with facts of any kind - to which I reply: remove the dogmatic blinders and look around. Yes, Dr. O is a bit of a socialist because he is a Democrat but, remember, presidents don't get to appropriate one dime, it's the congress that appropriates funds and there will be no expansion of socialism unless the congress funds it. However, presidents do have the power to bring our troops back home and avoid wasting trillions on ruinous military adventures. It is likely that Dr. O would ease our foreign wars burden if elected president, even Dr. Paul admits it. So, help save America. Help Obama defeat Hillary and politically slay the odious McCain so that the American dreams don't die yet. There's trillions of dollars worth of difference between them. And, if you are concerned about socialist spending, help elect fiscally conservative reps and senators.
My friend, the rationale has been provided to you, more than once: the alternatives to Dr. O are either Hillary or McCain. We can hardly afford one of the 2 in the White House.
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#28. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
Hey, obey Obama !! He's a nice guy !! /ophilespeak
Fine. Let's phase it another way. Would you rather get shot with a Winchester, a Remington, or a Mossberg?
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
I don't blame the Obamaphobes and I don't blame the Obamaphiles. there is a good case for both. Though I think there is not a dime's worth of difference between the 3 I may actually vote for Obama in November. my main motivation is that I think it is a good faith effort to tell the rest of the world that we Americans don't always vote for the most pro-war candidate. When our government goes forth and utterly does away with many people, then I would prefer that the rest of the world saw us Americans vote in an anti-war direction when we had the choice.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I don't like cancer or AIDS. If I choose not to give myself a case of either, does that make me a cancerphobe? or and AIDSphobe? Does thinking that Obama is nothing but another NWO stooge of a slightly different color making me an Obamaphobe? I'm just trying to see if this open letter applies to me...
Tagline space for rent.
A cooler dude. That is quite intellectual. And you claim others have "intellectual laziness or dereliction"? If you are serious, then act like it. You chose Mao, instead of telling Mao, Hitler, and Stalin to eat *&$% and die twice. So, you are depending on the tender mercies of a mass murderer to carry you through. "IF you had the power to choose, you should not give up and throw yourself at the mercy of... whomever. " That is another false choice. I place myself at no ones mercy. I am responsible for 1 person, myself. I depend on them for nothing, least of all "mercy".
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
If it's such that we will get shot regardless, what's wrong with making a choice? Does it matter enough to argue over it?
There are 2 kinds of people on 4um. Those that like Obama because they are white guilters, and those who hate Obama because they are racists. At least that seems to be the options put forth collectively by us 4umers.
Inarguable points .... but of course they'll be rejected by the 'phobes. That's all they do, reject.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Are you sure? It could be your last chance. Oh! But if you set on your butt you you could get another chance in 2012.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Your nutty comment on the 2nd, and worse, your refusal to amend it, makes your political additions to conversation pure baffonery.
From you, with a mind so open your brain apparently fell out...
Other than someone trying to convince me that I'm going to get less dead with one over the other two, nothing is wrong with it.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
I keep an eye on those in my state legislature and keep track of what they do. They hear from me and my friends on a regular basis. In which state do you reside, if I may ask. I think that is more important anyway. I wish you well on any invasion plans they may be cooking up.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Dusty Springfield This song might be older than some of the Philes, but it's what their support of Obama is based on.
A considerable number have. How's it workin' for yuh?
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
that's reaaaaaly a stretch and a distortion, imo. that comparison you presented became very convoluted. many of us couldn't see your proposition as an either or.
I don't consider this to be fighting. I already stated that I dont blame people for supporting a candidate. But there needs to be a well thought out reason for doing so beyond the fact that he reminds me of The Rock (WWE wrestler and actor). And to pick a candidate because he MAY not be quite as bad as the other 2 is not a good reason to support anyone. Obama could be the worst of the bunch. He is almost too glib. Remember how well Klinton worked the crowd? How did his presidency work out?
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
The banksters must be laughing out loud hysterically at all of this...
I have voted for too many statist whores and plan to quit now.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
This place is infested by the hard left. At the core are lawyers, so that comes as no shock. The keys to the software are in the possession of a man of questionable character, so yes, they must be laughing their asses off.
Your nutty comment on the 2nd, and worse, your refusal to amend it, makes your political additions to conversation pure baffonery. Let's see... You said you'd be willing to shoot an innocent girl for the "greater good" of securing the 2A, and I said I'd refuse to promote the killing of innocent people to promote the 2A. I'll stick with my comment. As for you, it seems your comment is one a certain George W. Bush would agree with and in fact, has taken to heart: Kill and torture innocent people because it's "good". You can take that swill elsewhere.
Except for the off chance that they are right about one not being loaded?
These were you terms: choose between these 3. Apparently, you believe that the coolest thing is to refuse to make a choice because they are all equally bad. Are you aware that Dante found that the Inferno is partitioned into several circles and that there are degrees of monstrosity? Being somewhat familiar with the works and lives of the 3 individuals you mentioned, if there were 3 and only 3 choices, I would favor Mao for U.S. president. I would hope that he defeated Hitler and Stalin.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Neil,
you goofy bastard, because of your gun statement, people are doing just that.
If you have a moral bone in your body, you'd return any money christine has
given you for "service" and then you'd take a long walk off a short pier.
No. Why?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Well, it was nonetheless a parable of my original statement for which I got crucified. And sorry to say, it does not appear to be a stretch in the case of JT: If that's his honest mentality, then he can't be trusted with the 2A.
Is it possible that Obama would not fully deliver on his promise? Of course it is. All we have in our Universe is probabilities. However, the odds are in favor of his not starting new wars and withdrawing most troops from Iraq. The odds also favor McCain not doing any of these and it's less clear what Hillary would do. Again, we only have these three so, that's what it is. Sure, if you feel like going on an assassination rampage and eliminate all the GOP's with delegates other than Ron Paul... be my guest. I promise not to tell. Until that happens, Obama is my pick. And Ron Paul's, by the way.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
An anti gunner as the software manager? Scary.
These are false options, coming from the false premise that 'there is not one dime worth of difference... etc.' It is intellectually lazy to stick to this. All that's required is a minimum of mental agility to understand that the premise is false and it is so in a ridiculous way.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Maybe it's good enough to prefer him over the other two, while voting for Ron Paul? That's my position. My first thought: A whole hell of a lot better than Bush's. That said, I remember when I first saw him in a D debate of the 92 election. Among the line up, he looked like the personification of mafia itself. For me it was like it was written on his forehead. Clinton may have killed a few dozen people, but a least it wasn't a few hundred thousand.
You have totally lost it. Totally.
California
Explain to me how the above differs from the neo-con agenda. You closed your post of Renewing ... with your own little "summary", beginning as follows: Three points of interest: 1. Obama says that they hate us for our freedoms. 2. In a round about way he accuses Al-CIA-duh of being bitter and clinging to guns and Allah because they hate the US. Decades of US intervention in the ME had nothing to do with it! Would you kindly cut and paste those words form Obama's speech, unedited or changed in any way, or, for that matter, whatever it was he said to lead you to such irresponsible accusations. Thank you.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
You shit in the pool and haven't the courage to accept responsibility. You're beginning to become a common denominator is forum disasters. Congrats.
OK, but again we get into the lesser of evils. Keep choosing evil and we keep getting worse, not better. Paul was our last chance at a peaceful restoration of the republic, imo. As a constitutionalist he was the only one that stood a chance of turning the tide. But he never really had a chance. The power brokers saw to that.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
California You and your friends are keeping California on the straight and narrow? BWAAHAAAHHAAA!
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Great. How about sharing with all of us how much better Saint Obama is or dropping the "intellectually lazy" line of horseshit you've been slinging. If you want to play the role of some abused girlfriend, convinced she has to choose between which guy she thinks will beat her less, knock yourself out.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
And you are a whiny little bitch that goes to highly personal attacks when your pussy hurts. I'd say that Neil has the moral high ground, and you are a amusing little tyke with a soul so shallow a walk through it would scarcely get your feet wet.
My terms were similar to your terms. The difference was only in degree, not in kind. I was trying to get you to see that choosing evil was evil. You don't have to choose. You don't have to play their game. But I understand why you do. I was the same way. Guess who wins? The ones that make the rules you must play by. The deck is no longer stacked in our favor.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
Of the three, I like Obama. I'm of mixed blood so I can't be a white guilter.
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#29. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, christine (#17)
By the way it's impossible to prove the 'not one dime worth of difference' statement to be true and it is very easy to reject it as untrue.
#30. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
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#31. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
#32. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#21)
agree that it's not easy to choose between Hitler and Mao but Mao won because he seems to be a much cooler dude than the other 2
#33. To: orangedog (#29)
Fine. Let's phase it another way. Would you rather get shot with a Winchester, a Remington, or a Mossberg?
#34. To: Critter (#31)
Does thinking that Obama is nothing but another NWO stooge of a slightly different color making me an Obamaphobe?
#35. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
#36. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
I have never voted for any statist whore and don't plan to start now.
#37. To: Pinguinite (#34)
At least that seems to be the options put forth collectively by us 4umers.
#38. To: iconoclast (#35)
That's all they do, reject.
#39. To: Pinguinite (#33)
If it's such that we will get shot regardless, what's wrong with making a choice?
#40. To: farmfriend (#4)
#41. To: FOH (#28)
Wishing and hoping and
thinking and praying,
planning and dreaming
#42. To: farmfriend (#7)
Things will only change when enough people stop voting or start voting third party.
#43. To: Pinguinite (#20)
Well said, though it seems your battling a mentality that says we have the moral right to nuke any other country we want if it makes life more comfortable for us at home.
#44. To: Pinguinite (#22)
And if it doesn't matter, what's the big deal that there's so much infighting here over this subject?
#45. To: Jethro Tull (#41)
#46. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
I have never voted for any statist whore and don't plan to start now.
#47. To: PSUSA (#11)
The 3 Stooges were funny, but I don't want to be FORCED to choose one of them to be president. And what we have here are 3 not-so-funny 3 Stooges.
#48. To: FOH (#45)
The banksters must be laughing out loud hysterically at all of this...
#49. To: Jethro Tull (#37)
#50. To: orangedog (#39)
Other than someone trying to convince me that I'm going to get less dead with one over the other two, nothing is wrong with it.
#51. To: PSUSA (#32)
That is another false choice. I place myself at no ones mercy. I am responsible for 1 person, myself. I depend on them for nothing, least of all "mercy".
#52. To: Pinguinite (#49)
You can take that swill elsewhere.
#53. To: FOH (#27)
Comrade, have I not been on your filter?
#54. To: christine (#43)
that's reaaaaaly a stretch and a distortion, imo. that comparison you presented became very convoluted. many of us couldn't see your proposition as an either or.
Yep, the poor thing goes for the greater good.
#55. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
Your answer is that you're an Obama guy because of a political promise.
#56. To: Pinguinite (#54)
#57. To: orangedog (#29)
Fine. Let's phase it another way. Would you rather get shot with a Winchester, a Remington, or a Mossberg?
#58. To: PSUSA (#44)
And to pick a candidate because he MAY not be quite as bad as the other 2 is not a good reason to support anyone.
Obama could be the worst of the bunch. He is almost too glib. Remember how well Klinton worked the crowd? How did his presidency work out?
#59. To: Jethro Tull (#52)
Neil, you goofy bastard, because of your gun statement, people are doing just that. If you have a moral bone in your body, you'd return any money christine has given you for "service" and then you'd take a long walk off a short pier.
#60. To: iconoclast (#40)
In which state do you reside, if I may ask.
Thought for the day:
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
#61. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#9)
Renewing American Leadership
#62. To: Pinguinite (#59)
#63. To: Pinguinite (#58)
My first thought: A whole hell of a lot better than Bush's.
#64. To: farmfriend (#60)
In which state do you reside, if I may ask.
#65. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#57)
These are false options, coming from the false premise that 'there is not one dime worth of difference... etc.' It is intellectually lazy to stick to this. All that's required is a minimum of mental agility to understand that the premise is false and it is so in a ridiculous way.
#66. To: Jethro Tull (#62)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#67. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#51)
These were you terms: choose between these 3. Apparently, you believe that the coolest thing is to refuse to make a choice because they are all equally bad.
#68. To: Pinguinite (#34)
Those that like Obama because they are white guilters
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