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Title: An Open Letter to the Obamophobes
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 19:22:53 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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I keep hearing from a number of thoughtful and well-meaning members of this forum statements such as this one: "most Os have yet to put together a rational argument for his candidacy, save white guilt." I am not going to comment on the honesty of the charge but I am going to address it. It should settle the issue definitively and it should turn all rational and America-loving Obamophobes into enthusiastic supporters of Dr. Barack. If you (and it's a generic 'you') insist on being so intellectually lazy or derelict as to being unable or unwilling to see any difference between the three of them, that's the way you see things or rather imagine them and I am unable to cure or even treat your intellectual laziness or dereliction. I shall point out to you that even Dr. Paul saw a difference between the 3 and expressed a preference for Dr. Obama but you showed extreme obtuseness, dogmatism, lack of imagination and an inability to accept facts on a recent thread discussing that topic. Some of you or rather all of you (still that generic 'you') keep throwing the "there's not one dime worth of difference between the three" argument - never backed with facts of any kind - to which I reply: remove the dogmatic blinders and look around. Yes, Dr. O is a bit of a socialist because he is a Democrat but, remember, presidents don't get to appropriate one dime, it's the congress that appropriates funds and there will be no expansion of socialism unless the congress funds it. However, presidents do have the power to bring our troops back home and avoid wasting trillions on ruinous military adventures. It is likely that Dr. O would ease our foreign wars burden if elected president, even Dr. Paul admits it. So, help save America. Help Obama defeat Hillary and politically slay the odious McCain so that the American dreams don't die yet. There's trillions of dollars worth of difference between them. And, if you are concerned about socialist spending, help elect fiscally conservative reps and senators.
My friend, the rationale has been provided to you, more than once: the alternatives to Dr. O are either Hillary or McCain. We can hardly afford one of the 2 in the White House.
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#48. To: FOH (#45)
This place is infested by the hard left. At the core are lawyers, so that comes as no shock. The keys to the software are in the possession of a man of questionable character, so yes, they must be laughing their asses off.
Your nutty comment on the 2nd, and worse, your refusal to amend it, makes your political additions to conversation pure baffonery. Let's see... You said you'd be willing to shoot an innocent girl for the "greater good" of securing the 2A, and I said I'd refuse to promote the killing of innocent people to promote the 2A. I'll stick with my comment. As for you, it seems your comment is one a certain George W. Bush would agree with and in fact, has taken to heart: Kill and torture innocent people because it's "good". You can take that swill elsewhere.
Except for the off chance that they are right about one not being loaded?
These were you terms: choose between these 3. Apparently, you believe that the coolest thing is to refuse to make a choice because they are all equally bad. Are you aware that Dante found that the Inferno is partitioned into several circles and that there are degrees of monstrosity? Being somewhat familiar with the works and lives of the 3 individuals you mentioned, if there were 3 and only 3 choices, I would favor Mao for U.S. president. I would hope that he defeated Hitler and Stalin.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Neil,
you goofy bastard, because of your gun statement, people are doing just that.
If you have a moral bone in your body, you'd return any money christine has
given you for "service" and then you'd take a long walk off a short pier.
No. Why?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Well, it was nonetheless a parable of my original statement for which I got crucified. And sorry to say, it does not appear to be a stretch in the case of JT: If that's his honest mentality, then he can't be trusted with the 2A.
Is it possible that Obama would not fully deliver on his promise? Of course it is. All we have in our Universe is probabilities. However, the odds are in favor of his not starting new wars and withdrawing most troops from Iraq. The odds also favor McCain not doing any of these and it's less clear what Hillary would do. Again, we only have these three so, that's what it is. Sure, if you feel like going on an assassination rampage and eliminate all the GOP's with delegates other than Ron Paul... be my guest. I promise not to tell. Until that happens, Obama is my pick. And Ron Paul's, by the way.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
An anti gunner as the software manager? Scary.
These are false options, coming from the false premise that 'there is not one dime worth of difference... etc.' It is intellectually lazy to stick to this. All that's required is a minimum of mental agility to understand that the premise is false and it is so in a ridiculous way.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Maybe it's good enough to prefer him over the other two, while voting for Ron Paul? That's my position. My first thought: A whole hell of a lot better than Bush's. That said, I remember when I first saw him in a D debate of the 92 election. Among the line up, he looked like the personification of mafia itself. For me it was like it was written on his forehead. Clinton may have killed a few dozen people, but a least it wasn't a few hundred thousand.
You have totally lost it. Totally.
California
Explain to me how the above differs from the neo-con agenda. You closed your post of Renewing ... with your own little "summary", beginning as follows: Three points of interest: 1. Obama says that they hate us for our freedoms. 2. In a round about way he accuses Al-CIA-duh of being bitter and clinging to guns and Allah because they hate the US. Decades of US intervention in the ME had nothing to do with it! Would you kindly cut and paste those words form Obama's speech, unedited or changed in any way, or, for that matter, whatever it was he said to lead you to such irresponsible accusations. Thank you.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
You shit in the pool and haven't the courage to accept responsibility. You're beginning to become a common denominator is forum disasters. Congrats.
OK, but again we get into the lesser of evils. Keep choosing evil and we keep getting worse, not better. Paul was our last chance at a peaceful restoration of the republic, imo. As a constitutionalist he was the only one that stood a chance of turning the tide. But he never really had a chance. The power brokers saw to that.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
California You and your friends are keeping California on the straight and narrow? BWAAHAAAHHAAA!
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Great. How about sharing with all of us how much better Saint Obama is or dropping the "intellectually lazy" line of horseshit you've been slinging. If you want to play the role of some abused girlfriend, convinced she has to choose between which guy she thinks will beat her less, knock yourself out.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
And you are a whiny little bitch that goes to highly personal attacks when your pussy hurts. I'd say that Neil has the moral high ground, and you are a amusing little tyke with a soul so shallow a walk through it would scarcely get your feet wet.
My terms were similar to your terms. The difference was only in degree, not in kind. I was trying to get you to see that choosing evil was evil. You don't have to choose. You don't have to play their game. But I understand why you do. I was the same way. Guess who wins? The ones that make the rules you must play by. The deck is no longer stacked in our favor.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
Of the three, I like Obama. I'm of mixed blood so I can't be a white guilter.
Accept responsibility? You've yet to deny or redact your willingness to shoot an innocent girl, and you have the audacity to lecture ME about responsibility? Tull, you are insane. Plainly you are insane. You care not a single fiber about the people around you. You care only about your self and your own well being, and you'll kill those around you, innocent people, just out of your own selfish greed. So yes, you have plenty in common with George Bush. You have no love of liberty except for your own! To hell with with everyone else! I am completely sick of you and expect your bozo count will be going up shortly.
The "White guilt" argument is so scatter gun and generic, it has never been worthy of consideration as a true point of argument. People posing it would use it to try to attack any candidate with Negro blood. I just ignore wankers posing this as a valid point of argument concerning candidates for high public office.
Your premise is that they are all equally evil or that, at least, all three of them have crossed a threshold of evilness beyond which it doesn't really matter who is the eviler one - like in the case of those who qualify for the death penalty, even though some may have killed 5 people while some killed 10 or 20. However, your premise is false. There are clear differences between the 3 and, remember, even Dr. Paul noted that, of the 3, Obama is the the one least likely to expand the wars. I believe that he is correct.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
1. Obama says that they hate us for our freedoms. "A crucial debate is occurring within Islam. Some believe in a future of peace, tolerance, development, and democratization. Others embrace a rigid and violent intolerance of personal liberty and the world at large." This sounds like something your average FReeker would post. 2. In a round about way he accuses Al-CIA-duh of being bitter and clinging to guns and Allah because they hate the US. Decades of US intervention in the ME had nothing to do with it! " This century's threats are at least as dangerous as and in some ways more complex than those we have confronted in the past. They come from weapons that can kill on a mass scale and from global terrorists who respond to alienation or perceived injustice with murderous nihilism." Remember, the half century of the US mucking about in the middle east is all in your head. You just think you're being bombed because you hate immigrants. I'll throw in #3 for fun. 3. Unpopular and preemptive war is okay so long as you mean well and think about it really hard before dropping the bombs. Bombs filled with the love of Saint Obama. "I will not hesitate to use force, unilaterally if necessary, to protect the American people or our vital interests whenever we are attacked or imminently threatened." If he starts talking about smoking guns and waving a tube of faux-anthrax around, I'm heading for the nearest air raid shelter. And the quote that makes me scream "my brain is on fire!" " We must also consider using military force in circumstances beyond self-defense in order to provide for the common security that underpins global stability..." I don't know if I should laugh or cry anymore. This entire pointless drama would make for grade A entertainment if not for the innocent people dieing every day.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me. "If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.
I never said, and I never implied, any such thing. Say Obama is 1% evil. Hitlery is 80%, and McInsane is 99.99%. just to arbitrarily assign values to the Candidate Evil Index, with evil being a candidates lack of faithfulness to the Constitution, not whether he/she is a good person or not. Pick Obama. We will be worse off, not better, bacause of that 1% that will be added to X% that we already have on the Current Evil Index. We need people that are not 1% evil, but -2% evil, or 2% good. Then things can improve. This sounds silly, I know.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
I'm going to vote for Ron Paul on Tuesday, then vote for the best local candidates. After the primaries, I'll re-evaluate. My criteria is pretty simple. I look for the candidate who best believes as our Founders did. There is always a candidate running for national office who fills this. Not so with state and local levels where I have to go with those will do the least amount of damage.
"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.
Thanks for clarifying that. I never suspected your were anti gun, and was left with that impression on the whats wrong with the forum thread. I choose to stand by you on this one. That would be premeditated murder. There are just too many guilty party's out there that need to be shot, to even consider shooting an innocent person in defense of the 2nd amendment, or any other amendment as far as that goes. There is no such thing as collateral damage in my opinion. Whomever gives the order, accepts the order, or commits the deed is responsible for the entirety of the deed. We can take that even further. Whomever funds the deed is guilty also. That includes a taxpayer of a government who accepts collateral damage.
If I didn't think there was any differences between them then I wouldn't give a crap which one won. Yes there are some differences, Obama and Hillary are both going to kill health care in this nation. Obama, a political novice, is being used by the elite to flame racial tensions in this nation, not as a serious presidential candidate. McCain and Hillary are very similar when it comes to foreign policy. Obama appears slightly against the war but has more rhetoric in opposition to the war than an actual record. I will take his voting record on the war over his rhetoric used in the campaign. All three will hurt this nation, but in my opinion John McCain would hurt this nation the least. But I would never vote for any of them. I am not going to willingly vote for someone that is helping to destroy the USA. Right now I am leaning toward voting for Baldwin. But if only one of the three stooges can win, I would prefer it to be McCain.
God is always good!
You might regret those words someday if Obama wins.
God is always good!
How about just two of them? No real difference between Hillary and Obama. They even admit to that during the "debates".
Elect anyone but Obama, Clinton, or McCain.
Thank you. I welcome all readers here to compare Obama's words to the wacky/tragic experience of the last eight Bush years and his witless sound bites.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
And, after the primaries you may have helped America to have the wonderful choice of Hitlery vs. General Jack. D. Ripper in November. Then you can smugly vote for Ron again and the nation is screwed.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
This sounds silly, I know. Well, a guy name Voltaire thought so. The perfect is the enemy of the good.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
"We" who support Obama don't get into the "lesser of evils" for a very good reason, it has no relevance. Clinton has a long history of disgusting behavior .... just one example, the Travel Office disgrace. Of course that was way before she began the "just folks" sham performance. Same for McCain ... perhaps the best example, his shameful behavior when he came back from Viet Nam. Other examples for these two could fill a very large book. So far the worst thing Obama has been charged with is not leaving the largest church (and the most influential one in terms of social assistance) in the ghetto to which he, Obama himself, migrated in order to try to make a difference.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
I'll listen to you until you lie. And lie you did right there. Have you read Obama's history in Chicago? Whom his associates are and have been? Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining.
I see Obama got another vote of support...... Nigeria oil rebels considering Obama truce appeal Rebels who have stepped up attacks on Nigeria's oil industry in the last month said on Sunday they were considering a ceasefire appeal by United States presidential hopeful Barack Obama. The Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (Mend) has launched five attacks on oil facilities in the Niger Delta since it resumed a campaign of violence in April, forcing Royal Dutch Shell to shut more than 164 000 barrels of oil per day (bpd).
I'd say that Neil has the moral high ground, and you are a amusing little tyke with a soul so shallow a walk through it would scarcely get your feet wet. You can't vouch for either fellow, so why add to the diatribe? I like you. But since you trashed JT in your mutual pissing contest, I am moved to make the following statement: Without JT, this forum would be terribly boring. I find him to be consistent and principled.
Another Marxist cause?
"And you are a whiny little bitch that goes to highly personal attacks when your pussy hurts." Mike is this the way you want to be viewed??? I have known you for many years and I find such disgusting.
I disagree. I find him self serving and unprincipled in his argument.
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#49. To: Jethro Tull (#37)
#50. To: orangedog (#39)
Other than someone trying to convince me that I'm going to get less dead with one over the other two, nothing is wrong with it.
#51. To: PSUSA (#32)
That is another false choice. I place myself at no ones mercy. I am responsible for 1 person, myself. I depend on them for nothing, least of all "mercy".
#52. To: Pinguinite (#49)
You can take that swill elsewhere.
#53. To: FOH (#27)
Comrade, have I not been on your filter?
#54. To: christine (#43)
that's reaaaaaly a stretch and a distortion, imo. that comparison you presented became very convoluted. many of us couldn't see your proposition as an either or.
Yep, the poor thing goes for the greater good.
#55. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
Your answer is that you're an Obama guy because of a political promise.
#56. To: Pinguinite (#54)
#57. To: orangedog (#29)
Fine. Let's phase it another way. Would you rather get shot with a Winchester, a Remington, or a Mossberg?
#58. To: PSUSA (#44)
And to pick a candidate because he MAY not be quite as bad as the other 2 is not a good reason to support anyone.
Obama could be the worst of the bunch. He is almost too glib. Remember how well Klinton worked the crowd? How did his presidency work out?
#59. To: Jethro Tull (#52)
Neil, you goofy bastard, because of your gun statement, people are doing just that. If you have a moral bone in your body, you'd return any money christine has given you for "service" and then you'd take a long walk off a short pier.
#60. To: iconoclast (#40)
In which state do you reside, if I may ask.
Thought for the day:
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
#61. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#9)
Renewing American Leadership
#62. To: Pinguinite (#59)
#63. To: Pinguinite (#58)
My first thought: A whole hell of a lot better than Bush's.
#64. To: farmfriend (#60)
In which state do you reside, if I may ask.
#65. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#57)
These are false options, coming from the false premise that 'there is not one dime worth of difference... etc.' It is intellectually lazy to stick to this. All that's required is a minimum of mental agility to understand that the premise is false and it is so in a ridiculous way.
#66. To: Jethro Tull (#62)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#67. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#51)
These were you terms: choose between these 3. Apparently, you believe that the coolest thing is to refuse to make a choice because they are all equally bad.
#68. To: Pinguinite (#34)
Those that like Obama because they are white guilters
#69. To: Jethro Tull (#62)
You shit in the pool and haven't the courage to accept responsibility. You're beginning to become a common denominator is forum disasters. Congrats.
#70. To: Fred Mertz (#68)
"Of the three, I like Obama. I'm of mixed blood so I can't be a white guilter."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#71. To: PSUSA (#67)
#72. To: iconoclast (#61)
#73. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#71)
(Edited)
Your premise is that they are all equally evil or that, at least, all three of them have crossed a threshold of evilness beyond which it doesn't really matter who is the eviler one
#74. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
#75. To: Pinguinite (#49)
#76. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
Some of you or rather all of you (still that generic 'you') keep throwing the "there's not one dime worth of difference between the three" argument - never backed with facts of any kind
#77. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#2)
We should all follow our consciousness and we should all be prepared to live with the consequences of our deeds.
#78. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#17)
By the way it's impossible to prove the 'not one dime worth of difference' statement to be true and it is very easy to reject it as untrue.
#79. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#72)
#80. To: scooter (#74)
I'm going to vote for Ron Paul on Tuesday, then vote for the best local candidates. After the primaries, I'll re-evaluate.
#81. To: PSUSA (#73)
We need people that are not 1% evil, but -2% evil, or 2% good. Then things can improve.
#82. To: PSUSA (#63)
OK, but again we get into the lesser of evils.
#83. To: iconoclast (#82)
in the ghetto to which he, Obama himself, migrated in order to try to make a difference.
#84. To: iconoclast (#79)
#85. To: Ferret Mike (#66)
And you are a whiny little bitch that goes to highly personal attacks when your pussy hurts.
#86. To: robnoel (#84)
Nigeria oil rebels
#87. To: angle, Ferret Mike (#85)
Without JT, this forum would be terribly boring. I find him to be consistent and principled.
#88. To: angle (#85)
"Without JT, this forum would be terribly boring. I find him to be consistent and principled."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
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