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Title: An Open Letter to the Obamophobes
Source: Me
URL Source: [None]
Published: May 4, 2008
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 19:22:53 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 7835
Comments: 154

I keep hearing from a number of thoughtful and well-meaning members of this forum statements such as this one: "most Os have yet to put together a rational argument for his candidacy, save white guilt." I am not going to comment on the honesty of the charge but I am going to address it. It should settle the issue definitively and it should turn all rational and America-loving Obamophobes into enthusiastic supporters of Dr. Barack.

If you (and it's a generic 'you') insist on being so intellectually lazy or derelict as to being unable or unwilling to see any difference between the three of them, that's the way you see things or rather imagine them and I am unable to cure or even treat your intellectual laziness or dereliction. I shall point out to you that even Dr. Paul saw a difference between the 3 and expressed a preference for Dr. Obama but you showed extreme obtuseness, dogmatism, lack of imagination and an inability to accept facts on a recent thread discussing that topic.

Some of you or rather all of you (still that generic 'you') keep throwing the "there's not one dime worth of difference between the three" argument - never backed with facts of any kind - to which I reply: remove the dogmatic blinders and look around. Yes, Dr. O is a bit of a socialist because he is a Democrat but, remember, presidents don't get to appropriate one dime, it's the congress that appropriates funds and there will be no expansion of socialism unless the congress funds it. However, presidents do have the power to bring our troops back home and avoid wasting trillions on ruinous military adventures. It is likely that Dr. O would ease our foreign wars burden if elected president, even Dr. Paul admits it.

So, help save America. Help Obama defeat Hillary and politically slay the odious McCain so that the American dreams don't die yet. There's trillions of dollars worth of difference between them. And, if you are concerned about socialist spending, help elect fiscally conservative reps and senators.

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#11. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

The 3 Stooges were funny, but I don't want to be FORCED to choose one of them to be president. And what we have here are 3 not-so-funny 3 Stooges. Not that our votes mean anything...That is the conclusion some of us have come to anyway.

If people had a choice between Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, who would you vote for? It's the same thing with this (s)election. We have been given (supposedly) 3 "choices", all figureheads and none of which are any good. So it should hardly be surprising that those of us that feel this way will sit this one out, because we don't have a dog in this fight, and frankly it sucks to hope I choose to support the lesser of three evils.

Evidently, you have a lot of faith in Obama. I cannot fault you for that, really. You're going to do what you are going to do, regardless of what anyone says.

I had faith in Reagan. I learned. I had no faith in Poppy Bush or shrub, or Klinton, and I was not disappointed. Now I don't trust any of them to give me the right time of day.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-04   20:14:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If people had a choice between Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, who would you vote for?

That one started a conversation that led to an Obamaconner putting me on filter...

FOH  posted on  2008-05-04   20:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If people had a choice between Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, who would you vote for?

As I explained, we are facing cases of intellectual laziness or dereliction. There are 3 individuals attempting to get the job of US president. They are different and they are likely to act differently, once elected. 2 of them are terrible, the third may be a small positive over what we have now.

Between Hitler, Stalin and Mao... as US presidents? I would eliminate Stalin. Between Hitler and Mao... I'd probably pick Mao. You DO realize that the 3 are 3 VERY different people, don't you?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-04   20:32:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

As I explained, we are facing cases of intellectual laziness or dereliction. There are 3 individuals attempting to get the job of US president. They are different and they are likely to act differently, once elected. 2 of them are terrible, the third may be a small positive over what we have now.

Between Hitler, Stalin and Mao... as US presidents? I would eliminate Stalin. Between Hitler and Mao... I'd probably pick Mao. You DO realize that the 3 are 3 VERY different people, don't you?

First of all, I posted that, not FOH.

So, I suffer from a case of "intellectual laziness or dereliction."? Moi?

You chose Mao. He murdered millions. But evidently you see him as the lesser of 3 evils, since you chose him. There is no difference between 3 people who murder millions of their own citizens.

There is no difference between 3 figureheads that will continue the policies of the real powerbrokers in DC and elsewhere (or they will end up having the backs of their heads exploding like Kennedy if they dont play ball).

It's not cases of "intellectual laziness or dereliction". It's not knowing the difference between right and wrong, or good and evil. Choosing what you hope to be the lesser evil is still choosing evil.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-04   20:45:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Of course there are differences. I agree that it's not easy to choose between Hitler and Mao but Mao won because he seems to be a much cooler dude than the other 2. He didn't have Gulags or concentration camps, by the way. Yes, people died but it wasn't done in an efficient, well-organized way.

Thet 3 are VERY different and, IF you had the power to choose, you should not give up and throw yourself at the mercy of... whomever.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-04   20:50:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

agree that it's not easy to choose between Hitler and Mao but Mao won because he seems to be a much cooler dude than the other 2

A cooler dude. That is quite intellectual. And you claim others have "intellectual laziness or dereliction"?

If you are serious, then act like it.

You chose Mao, instead of telling Mao, Hitler, and Stalin to eat *&$% and die twice. So, you are depending on the tender mercies of a mass murderer to carry you through.

"IF you had the power to choose, you should not give up and throw yourself at the mercy of... whomever. "

That is another false choice. I place myself at no ones mercy. I am responsible for 1 person, myself. I depend on them for nothing, least of all "mercy".

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-04   21:10:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That is another false choice. I place myself at no ones mercy. I am responsible for 1 person, myself. I depend on them for nothing, least of all "mercy".

These were you terms: choose between these 3. Apparently, you believe that the coolest thing is to refuse to make a choice because they are all equally bad.

Are you aware that Dante found that the Inferno is partitioned into several circles and that there are degrees of monstrosity? Being somewhat familiar with the works and lives of the 3 individuals you mentioned, if there were 3 and only 3 choices, I would favor Mao for U.S. president. I would hope that he defeated Hitler and Stalin.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-04   21:51:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

These were you terms: choose between these 3. Apparently, you believe that the coolest thing is to refuse to make a choice because they are all equally bad.

My terms were similar to your terms. The difference was only in degree, not in kind. I was trying to get you to see that choosing evil was evil. You don't have to choose. You don't have to play their game. But I understand why you do. I was the same way.

Guess who wins? The ones that make the rules you must play by. The deck is no longer stacked in our favor.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-04   22:26:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Your premise is that they are all equally evil or that, at least, all three of them have crossed a threshold of evilness beyond which it doesn't really matter who is the eviler one - like in the case of those who qualify for the death penalty, even though some may have killed 5 people while some killed 10 or 20.

However, your premise is false. There are clear differences between the 3 and, remember, even Dr. Paul noted that, of the 3, Obama is the the one least likely to expand the wars. I believe that he is correct.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-04   22:35:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Your premise is that they are all equally evil or that, at least, all three of them have crossed a threshold of evilness beyond which it doesn't really matter who is the eviler one

I never said, and I never implied, any such thing.

Say Obama is 1% evil. Hitlery is 80%, and McInsane is 99.99%. just to arbitrarily assign values to the Candidate Evil Index, with evil being a candidates lack of faithfulness to the Constitution, not whether he/she is a good person or not.

Pick Obama. We will be worse off, not better, bacause of that 1% that will be added to X% that we already have on the Current Evil Index.

We need people that are not 1% evil, but -2% evil, or 2% good. Then things can improve.

This sounds silly, I know.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-04   22:42:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#81. To: PSUSA (#73)

We need people that are not 1% evil, but -2% evil, or 2% good. Then things can improve.

This sounds silly, I know.

Well, a guy name Voltaire thought so.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-05-05 07:41:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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