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Title: An Open Letter to the Obamophobes
Source: Me
URL Source: [None]
Published: May 4, 2008
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 19:22:53 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Views: 7912
Comments: 154

I keep hearing from a number of thoughtful and well-meaning members of this forum statements such as this one: "most Os have yet to put together a rational argument for his candidacy, save white guilt." I am not going to comment on the honesty of the charge but I am going to address it. It should settle the issue definitively and it should turn all rational and America-loving Obamophobes into enthusiastic supporters of Dr. Barack.

If you (and it's a generic 'you') insist on being so intellectually lazy or derelict as to being unable or unwilling to see any difference between the three of them, that's the way you see things or rather imagine them and I am unable to cure or even treat your intellectual laziness or dereliction. I shall point out to you that even Dr. Paul saw a difference between the 3 and expressed a preference for Dr. Obama but you showed extreme obtuseness, dogmatism, lack of imagination and an inability to accept facts on a recent thread discussing that topic.

Some of you or rather all of you (still that generic 'you') keep throwing the "there's not one dime worth of difference between the three" argument - never backed with facts of any kind - to which I reply: remove the dogmatic blinders and look around. Yes, Dr. O is a bit of a socialist because he is a Democrat but, remember, presidents don't get to appropriate one dime, it's the congress that appropriates funds and there will be no expansion of socialism unless the congress funds it. However, presidents do have the power to bring our troops back home and avoid wasting trillions on ruinous military adventures. It is likely that Dr. O would ease our foreign wars burden if elected president, even Dr. Paul admits it.

So, help save America. Help Obama defeat Hillary and politically slay the odious McCain so that the American dreams don't die yet. There's trillions of dollars worth of difference between them. And, if you are concerned about socialist spending, help elect fiscally conservative reps and senators.

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#11. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

The 3 Stooges were funny, but I don't want to be FORCED to choose one of them to be president. And what we have here are 3 not-so-funny 3 Stooges. Not that our votes mean anything...That is the conclusion some of us have come to anyway.

If people had a choice between Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, who would you vote for? It's the same thing with this (s)election. We have been given (supposedly) 3 "choices", all figureheads and none of which are any good. So it should hardly be surprising that those of us that feel this way will sit this one out, because we don't have a dog in this fight, and frankly it sucks to hope I choose to support the lesser of three evils.

Evidently, you have a lot of faith in Obama. I cannot fault you for that, really. You're going to do what you are going to do, regardless of what anyone says.

I had faith in Reagan. I learned. I had no faith in Poppy Bush or shrub, or Klinton, and I was not disappointed. Now I don't trust any of them to give me the right time of day.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-04   20:14:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If people had a choice between Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, who would you vote for?

That one started a conversation that led to an Obamaconner putting me on filter...

FOH  posted on  2008-05-04   20:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If people had a choice between Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, who would you vote for?

As I explained, we are facing cases of intellectual laziness or dereliction. There are 3 individuals attempting to get the job of US president. They are different and they are likely to act differently, once elected. 2 of them are terrible, the third may be a small positive over what we have now.

Between Hitler, Stalin and Mao... as US presidents? I would eliminate Stalin. Between Hitler and Mao... I'd probably pick Mao. You DO realize that the 3 are 3 VERY different people, don't you?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-04   20:32:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

As I explained, we are facing cases of intellectual laziness or dereliction. There are 3 individuals attempting to get the job of US president. They are different and they are likely to act differently, once elected. 2 of them are terrible, the third may be a small positive over what we have now.

Between Hitler, Stalin and Mao... as US presidents? I would eliminate Stalin. Between Hitler and Mao... I'd probably pick Mao. You DO realize that the 3 are 3 VERY different people, don't you?

First of all, I posted that, not FOH.

So, I suffer from a case of "intellectual laziness or dereliction."? Moi?

You chose Mao. He murdered millions. But evidently you see him as the lesser of 3 evils, since you chose him. There is no difference between 3 people who murder millions of their own citizens.

There is no difference between 3 figureheads that will continue the policies of the real powerbrokers in DC and elsewhere (or they will end up having the backs of their heads exploding like Kennedy if they dont play ball).

It's not cases of "intellectual laziness or dereliction". It's not knowing the difference between right and wrong, or good and evil. Choosing what you hope to be the lesser evil is still choosing evil.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-04   20:45:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There is no difference between 3 figureheads that will continue the policies of the real powerbrokers in DC and elsewhere..

If you're right, and you may be right, then nothing matters because we will get one of these 3.

And if it doesn't matter, what's the big deal that there's so much infighting here over this subject?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   20:50:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And if it doesn't matter, what's the big deal that there's so much infighting here over this subject?

I don't consider this to be fighting.

I already stated that I dont blame people for supporting a candidate. But there needs to be a well thought out reason for doing so beyond the fact that he reminds me of The Rock (WWE wrestler and actor). And to pick a candidate because he MAY not be quite as bad as the other 2 is not a good reason to support anyone.

Obama could be the worst of the bunch. He is almost too glib. Remember how well Klinton worked the crowd? How did his presidency work out?

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-04   21:27:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And to pick a candidate because he MAY not be quite as bad as the other 2 is not a good reason to support anyone.

Maybe it's good enough to prefer him over the other two, while voting for Ron Paul? That's my position.

Obama could be the worst of the bunch. He is almost too glib. Remember how well Klinton worked the crowd? How did his presidency work out?

My first thought: A whole hell of a lot better than Bush's. That said, I remember when I first saw him in a D debate of the 92 election. Among the line up, he looked like the personification of mafia itself. For me it was like it was written on his forehead. Clinton may have killed a few dozen people, but a least it wasn't a few hundred thousand.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   22:02:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My first thought: A whole hell of a lot better than Bush's.

OK, but again we get into the lesser of evils. Keep choosing evil and we keep getting worse, not better.

Paul was our last chance at a peaceful restoration of the republic, imo. As a constitutionalist he was the only one that stood a chance of turning the tide. But he never really had a chance. The power brokers saw to that.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-04   22:13:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

OK, but again we get into the lesser of evils.

"We" who support Obama don't get into the "lesser of evils" for a very good reason, it has no relevance.

Clinton has a long history of disgusting behavior .... just one example, the Travel Office disgrace. Of course that was way before she began the "just folks" sham performance.

Same for McCain ... perhaps the best example, his shameful behavior when he came back from Viet Nam.

Other examples for these two could fill a very large book.

So far the worst thing Obama has been charged with is not leaving the largest church (and the most influential one in terms of social assistance) in the ghetto to which he, Obama himself, migrated in order to try to make a difference.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-05-05   8:10:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

in the ghetto to which he, Obama himself, migrated in order to try to make a difference.

I'll listen to you until you lie. And lie you did right there. Have you read Obama's history in Chicago? Whom his associates are and have been? Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining.

Ragin1  posted on  2008-05-05   8:33:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#89. To: Ragin1 (#83)

Have you read Obama's history in Chicago?

Have you read the election returns in IL?

Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining.

Go piss up a rope.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-05-05 09:38:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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