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Title: Attention 4um Members
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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Views: 17696
Comments: 655

I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else?

When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

Can't say I blame you. But aside from banning all of the Obama commies, what can you do? I say get rid of the bozo filter. Make the wimps face the music.

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Critter  posted on  2008-05-04   22:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Where you have confusion you get noise as the confusion resolves it is likely to get noisier. What I think you are seeing is people who do not want to confront reality. Such noise is the confusion blowing off. Let it proceed to completion and it will stabilize at a new equilibrium.

I would suggest simply enforcing civility should be sufficient restore order.

If people cannot bear to hear a contrary view and have to resort to the bozo to avoid being confronted with data they wish to remain ignorant of that is to their detriment and no one else's.

I've stayed out of the frays because it is a foregone conclusion, to me, that Obummer is just as much under control as Hitlery and McInsane.

So, I choose not to play, but will comment where I think appropriate or useful.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-05-04   22:49:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

yep, that's exactly what i'm thinking.

christine  posted on  2008-05-04   22:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I say get rid of the bozo filter.

Amen. Let the Hopeful wonders defend socialism.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-04   22:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I am bozoed 3 times now. I have no one on bozo. I think people that use bozo filter are sissies. :)

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Critter  posted on  2008-05-04   22:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I generally avoid the political threads too. Not always, but most of the time.

They are ugly.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-05-04   22:51:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They are ugly.

Yeah you should know something about ugly there baldy. :p

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Critter  posted on  2008-05-04   22:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else?

When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.

I am glad you are addressing this Christine.

There are some issues not addressed publically that require some resolution immediately.

It's stand time.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   22:53:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Amen.

Amen bro.

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Critter  posted on  2008-05-04   22:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Chrissy, my opinion: I don't think 4um itself is being destroyed. There may have been accusations of 4um being an echo chamber way back in the old days. Obviously, that accusation cannot be made now.

Disagreement is one of the main points of a forum. Sure it may mean some people go, but new people come. That's normal. That's healthy.

I agree that I would not have supposed that the R&D election cycle would bring this kind of discord here. But then again, maybe it's doing a service by bringing more that we really are out. If so, that may be uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean it's wrong or unhealthy forum-wise. It's not the point of 4um to mold any of us into something we aren't. Certainly that's not going to happen except for those individuals that allow themselves to change.

Please take heart that that's how it should be.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   22:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What about you reading our PM's?

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   22:59:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

your point isn't valid, Neil, when everyone is employing the bozo and the level of distrust by the two opposing sides is the killer.

christine  posted on  2008-05-04   23:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

it seems to me, as a newbie, that the bozo filter is misused sometimes. It is used as a public punishment. Why post that you are putting someone on bozo? Just do it and be done with it, and keep it to yourself.

Politics and religion makes for some interesting and sometimes heated conversations. There is a saying that "Iron sharpens iron". Think of arguments as sharpening your mind. It helps define your own beliefs when you have an honest antagonist.

.02, carry on.

------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-04   23:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Putting aside the fact that we all can write in Chuck Baldwin or Ron Paul which of the 3 Stooges would you prefer?

I kinda thought everyone was exercising their freedom as we were allowed to, BOXO filter and all.

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-05-04   23:04:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

yep, that's exactly what i'm thinking.

Speaking for myself, I'm happy to engage anyone who disagrees with me. My only criteria is that my opponent engage in debate. If it's someone who only insults and never engages in debate, as is the practice of 2 I've got bozo'd, then I'll prefer to take a pass.

Cutting out the bozo filter will bring more mayhem, not less, or if it brings less, it'll be because people leave simply because they get badgered. If harmony on the forum is what you want, that may come in the long run, but for the wrong reason.

Don't forget that there are shills who would destroy a forum given the chance. They may not be here now, but I know you believe they exist. Removing the bozo filter will make that easier for them.

Unless perhaps you would plan on banning people more frequently. (I don't know if you've been doing that lately).

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The bozo filter is the only reason I'm still here. I do not enjoy foul mouthed attacks just for having a difference of opinion. And if I consider someone to be a pest or a troll or a waste of my time, I appreciate being able to filter that out. It's the only way I will be able to enjoy this forum anymore.

I'm here for open, honest discussions of the issues; finding agreement where we can and agreeing to disagree where we cannot. Bozo allows me to concentrate on posters who are capable of having honest, civil discussions.

"To destroy a people you must first sever their roots." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

robin  posted on  2008-05-04   23:08:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't expect you to grasp this, but.......the Os are apparently employing the bozo in what appears to be a coordinated attempt to damage 4um's freedom message. If you have concern for our 1st Amendment (we know your position on the 2nd), you'd act with some degree of consideration toward the owner.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-04   23:08:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I do not enjoy foul mouthed attacks just for having a difference of opinion.

So, everyone on your bozo conducted a foul mouth attack?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-04   23:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What about you reading our PM's?

Ahahahhahaha

You funny. Yes, the risk of just such an accusation was floated when PM's were added. And it's none I take politely.

But maybe that's why you accused me of it. Do you have any specific evidence to accompany your accusation, or you just want to float that and walk off?

However, my defense was put in place at the same time as the PM service and it's this. At the bottom of the PM page, you'll see a disclaimer. Read it. On it, you'll see that you were warned that I can read PM mail, and if you have private info you don't want to rink me reading, then you are encouraged to communicate some other way.

And since I'm in the impossible situation of proving a negative in my defense, I instead claim this: If you think I'm reading your pmails, then I *AM* reading your PM mails. Believe it. If you don't want me reading your pmails, you are expected to respond by making other communication arrangements.

Thank you.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

To: robin

I do not enjoy foul mouthed attacks just for having a difference of opinion. So, everyone on your bozo conducted a foul mouth attack?

When viewed through the prism of NWO shills, then most comments are offensive.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you think I'm reading your pmails, then I *AM* reading your PM mails. Believe it. If you don't want me reading your pmails, you are expected to respond by making other communication arrangements.

Yeah well, Neil........

You're going to have to deal with it.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"I say get rid of the bozo filter."

"Amen. Let the Hopeful wonders defend socialism."

Bozo is fer wimps...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-05-04   23:15:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"I think people that use bozo filter are sissies. :)"

Yep...'fraid so.

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-05-04   23:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

To: Peppa

What about you reading our PM's? Ahahahhahaha

You funny. Yes, the risk of just such an accusation was floated when PM's were added. And it's none I take politely.

But maybe that's why you accused me of it. Do you have any specific evidence to accompany your accusation, or you just want to float that and walk off?

However, my defense was put in place at the same time as the PM service and it's this. At the bottom of the PM page, you'll see a disclaimer. Read it. On it, you'll see that you were warned that I can read PM mail, and if you have private info you don't want to rink me reading, then you are encouraged to communicate some other way.

And since I'm in the impossible situation of proving a negative in my defense, I instead claim this: If you think I'm reading your pmails, then I *AM* reading your PM mails. Believe it. If you don't want me reading your pmails, you are expected to respond by making other communication arrangements.

Thank you.

Just FYI...

Big Brother is watching.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:16:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

your point isn't valid, Neil, when everyone is employing the bozo and the level of distrust by the two opposing sides is the killer.

I respectfully disagree. The bozo filter is not causing the lack of trust. Not at all. What's causing it is the high stakes that, apparently, many of us have in the outcome of this election. And that's a fact regardless of what people might be saying to the contrary.

The plain truth is that if the R&D elections didn't matter to us, then none of this discord would be happening. It's NOT the bozo filter Chrissy.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Bozo is fer wimps...MUD

The way it's currently employed, it is. Socialism cannot be defended.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-04   23:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hi Neil...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-05-04   23:18:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

don't expect you to grasp this, but.......the Os are apparently employing the bozo in what appears to be a coordinated attempt to damage 4um's freedom message.

You're right. I don't grasp that. What you say is not feasible/possible.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:19:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If socialism cannot be defended, neither can Obama.

That said, it's awful hard to defend the Hildabeast and BigJohn McCain, too...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-05-04   23:19:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The bozo filter is not causing the lack of trust. Not at all

Right. Sure. Ye of Forum fame....... I picked up 3 today alone, so has Peppa. Has a coconut hit you on your head?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-04   23:20:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If socialism cannot be defended, neither can Obama.

That said, it's awful hard to defend the Hildabeast and BigJohn McCain, too...MUD

Ditto on all points.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-04   23:21:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He works for the globalist machine. He has no country and doesn't give a rip about what happens here.. it's a game to him

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:22:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Just FYI...

Big Brother is watching.

Chrissy, please note the empty accusation, placed out of the blue on a thread having nothing to do with the concern you raised.

You're the judge.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:22:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Just FYI... Big Brother is watching.

Chrissy, please note the empty accusation, placed out of the blue on a thread having nothing to do with the concern you raised.

You're the judge.

BS.

Too many know.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:23:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"What you say is not feasible/possible."

Of course it is, Neil, don't be obtuse!!

If the RATS are unwilling to defend their viewpoints, and instead become automatons bent of spewing Obama talking points (but not engaging in rational debate), you lose a lot of what is special about this place. Why not--instead of eliminating the BOZO feature--we reduce the number of $um folks you can have on BOZO at one time?

Perhaps 5, or 3, and let the real rational debate begin...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-05-04   23:24:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Did 'someone' slip up and comment about something said only in PM?

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Critter  posted on  2008-05-04   23:24:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If the RATS are unwilling to defend their viewpoints, and instead become automatons bent of spewing Obama talking points (but not engaging in rational debate), you lose a lot of what is special about this place.

Please see my post #10.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

BS.

Too many know.

Yes, just look at the mobs.

I know for a fact your accusation is false. I *know* that. And because I know that, I now know that you, Peppa, are a fraud.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:27:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"The bozo filter is the only reason I'm still here. I do not enjoy foul mouthed attacks just for having a difference of opinion. And if I consider someone to be a pest or a troll or a waste of my time, I appreciate being able to filter that out. It's the only way I will be able to enjoy this forum anymore."

LOL...robin, as one of your BOZOs, it does appear that you are a rather allergic to debate.

With all due respect, that is no way to learn...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-05-04   23:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

BS. Too many know.

Yes, just look at the mobs.

I know for a fact your accusation is false. I *know* that. And because I know that, I now know that you, Peppa, are a fraud.

Sure you do.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He admitted it.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:29:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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