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Title: Attention 4um Members
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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Views: 34680
Comments: 655

I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else?

When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.

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#10. To: christine (#0)

Chrissy, my opinion: I don't think 4um itself is being destroyed. There may have been accusations of 4um being an echo chamber way back in the old days. Obviously, that accusation cannot be made now.

Disagreement is one of the main points of a forum. Sure it may mean some people go, but new people come. That's normal. That's healthy.

I agree that I would not have supposed that the R&D election cycle would bring this kind of discord here. But then again, maybe it's doing a service by bringing more that we really are out. If so, that may be uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean it's wrong or unhealthy forum-wise. It's not the point of 4um to mold any of us into something we aren't. Certainly that's not going to happen except for those individuals that allow themselves to change.

Please take heart that that's how it should be.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   22:55:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What about you reading our PM's?

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   22:59:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What about you reading our PM's?

Ahahahhahaha

You funny. Yes, the risk of just such an accusation was floated when PM's were added. And it's none I take politely.

But maybe that's why you accused me of it. Do you have any specific evidence to accompany your accusation, or you just want to float that and walk off?

However, my defense was put in place at the same time as the PM service and it's this. At the bottom of the PM page, you'll see a disclaimer. Read it. On it, you'll see that you were warned that I can read PM mail, and if you have private info you don't want to rink me reading, then you are encouraged to communicate some other way.

And since I'm in the impossible situation of proving a negative in my defense, I instead claim this: If you think I'm reading your pmails, then I *AM* reading your PM mails. Believe it. If you don't want me reading your pmails, you are expected to respond by making other communication arrangements.

Thank you.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:13:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

To: Peppa

What about you reading our PM's? Ahahahhahaha

You funny. Yes, the risk of just such an accusation was floated when PM's were added. And it's none I take politely.

But maybe that's why you accused me of it. Do you have any specific evidence to accompany your accusation, or you just want to float that and walk off?

However, my defense was put in place at the same time as the PM service and it's this. At the bottom of the PM page, you'll see a disclaimer. Read it. On it, you'll see that you were warned that I can read PM mail, and if you have private info you don't want to rink me reading, then you are encouraged to communicate some other way.

And since I'm in the impossible situation of proving a negative in my defense, I instead claim this: If you think I'm reading your pmails, then I *AM* reading your PM mails. Believe it. If you don't want me reading your pmails, you are expected to respond by making other communication arrangements.

Thank you.

Just FYI...

Big Brother is watching.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:16:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Just FYI...

Big Brother is watching.

Chrissy, please note the empty accusation, placed out of the blue on a thread having nothing to do with the concern you raised.

You're the judge.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:22:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Just FYI... Big Brother is watching.

Chrissy, please note the empty accusation, placed out of the blue on a thread having nothing to do with the concern you raised.

You're the judge.

BS.

Too many know.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:23:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

BS.

Too many know.

Yes, just look at the mobs.

I know for a fact your accusation is false. I *know* that. And because I know that, I now know that you, Peppa, are a fraud.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:27:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Considering the topic of this thread, making such an off-the-wall accusation here and now against you, leads me to suspect that there may be some here who would like to see this 4um shut down. I wonder why?

robin  posted on  2008-05-04   23:30:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

leads me to suspect that there may be some here who would like to see this 4um shut down. I wonder why?

this is what is distressing. the level of distrust among us now. both sides accusing the other of an agenda to destroy or shut down 4um.

christine  posted on  2008-05-04   23:50:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Don't let it get to you. Leave the bozo and let us continue.

robin  posted on  2008-05-04   23:52:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Leave the bozo and let us continue.

Continue what? Breaking down into tiny, non communicative camps? LF was ruined by an organized "rating system" and now the bozo is being used in the same way. I think some modicum of respect needs to be enforced and a limit to the number of bozo's. People can rotate "offenders" on and off as needed, but the current system is being used as a tool.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-05   0:11:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Breaking down into tiny, non communicative camps? LF was ruined by an organized "rating system" and now the bozo is being used in the same way.

Which is why the bozo counts are not publicized. If people weren't starting threads about how many people have them on bozo, JT, then maybe this wouldn't rise to the level of a rating system.

Is that why you started that thread? Have you been campaigning for this change?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-05   0:21:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Is that why you started that thread? Have you been campaigning for this change?

The thought struck me as the argument began. It was spontaneous. So if you consider an attempt at problem solving some organized campaigning for a change, so be it.

I'll tell you this here and now; if it doesn't change, like robin, I'm gone.

Been there, done that, have the T-shirt.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-05   0:26:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll tell you this here and now; if it doesn't change, like robin, I'm gone.

If you really mean that, I understand.

And I'll leave it at that.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-05   0:51:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Name the forum, and that's my history. Yes, I mean it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-05   0:54:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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