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Title: Attention 4um Members
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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Views: 21247
Comments: 655

I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else?

When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.

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#10. To: christine (#0)

Chrissy, my opinion: I don't think 4um itself is being destroyed. There may have been accusations of 4um being an echo chamber way back in the old days. Obviously, that accusation cannot be made now.

Disagreement is one of the main points of a forum. Sure it may mean some people go, but new people come. That's normal. That's healthy.

I agree that I would not have supposed that the R&D election cycle would bring this kind of discord here. But then again, maybe it's doing a service by bringing more that we really are out. If so, that may be uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean it's wrong or unhealthy forum-wise. It's not the point of 4um to mold any of us into something we aren't. Certainly that's not going to happen except for those individuals that allow themselves to change.

Please take heart that that's how it should be.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   22:55:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What about you reading our PM's?

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   22:59:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What about you reading our PM's?

Ahahahhahaha

You funny. Yes, the risk of just such an accusation was floated when PM's were added. And it's none I take politely.

But maybe that's why you accused me of it. Do you have any specific evidence to accompany your accusation, or you just want to float that and walk off?

However, my defense was put in place at the same time as the PM service and it's this. At the bottom of the PM page, you'll see a disclaimer. Read it. On it, you'll see that you were warned that I can read PM mail, and if you have private info you don't want to rink me reading, then you are encouraged to communicate some other way.

And since I'm in the impossible situation of proving a negative in my defense, I instead claim this: If you think I'm reading your pmails, then I *AM* reading your PM mails. Believe it. If you don't want me reading your pmails, you are expected to respond by making other communication arrangements.

Thank you.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:13:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

To: Peppa

What about you reading our PM's? Ahahahhahaha

You funny. Yes, the risk of just such an accusation was floated when PM's were added. And it's none I take politely.

But maybe that's why you accused me of it. Do you have any specific evidence to accompany your accusation, or you just want to float that and walk off?

However, my defense was put in place at the same time as the PM service and it's this. At the bottom of the PM page, you'll see a disclaimer. Read it. On it, you'll see that you were warned that I can read PM mail, and if you have private info you don't want to rink me reading, then you are encouraged to communicate some other way.

And since I'm in the impossible situation of proving a negative in my defense, I instead claim this: If you think I'm reading your pmails, then I *AM* reading your PM mails. Believe it. If you don't want me reading your pmails, you are expected to respond by making other communication arrangements.

Thank you.

Just FYI...

Big Brother is watching.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:16:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Just FYI...

Big Brother is watching.

Chrissy, please note the empty accusation, placed out of the blue on a thread having nothing to do with the concern you raised.

You're the judge.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:22:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Just FYI... Big Brother is watching.

Chrissy, please note the empty accusation, placed out of the blue on a thread having nothing to do with the concern you raised.

You're the judge.

BS.

Too many know.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:23:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

BS.

Too many know.

Yes, just look at the mobs.

I know for a fact your accusation is false. I *know* that. And because I know that, I now know that you, Peppa, are a fraud.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:27:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

BS. Too many know.

Yes, just look at the mobs.

I know for a fact your accusation is false. I *know* that. And because I know that, I now know that you, Peppa, are a fraud.

Sure you do.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:29:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Sure you do.

Come on, spill the beans! If this is really happening, I think it best that the proof get aired out in public. A lot of people would probably like to know if their PMs are being spied upon.

Critter  posted on  2008-05-04   23:31:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I hereby give the anti Charleston Heston permission to read all my PM. Nothing in there I wouldn't tell the man w/o a number to his face.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-04   23:35:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Nothing in there I wouldn't tell the man w/o a number to his face.

Well, if you've been bad-mouthing me behind my back, it's news to me. Can't say I'm surprised though.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:40:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, if you've been bad-mouthing me behind my back, it's news to me.

Gun grabbers deserve no less.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-04   23:45:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Since the bozo has become a tool to demoralize in my opinion (I just picked up another during this thread) I think a MAXIMUM number might be the way to go. LF had a goofy rating system that was misused in a similar fashion. If anyone has more than three to five people they can't stand, perhaps they're in the wrong place.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-04   23:50:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"Since the bozo has become a tool to demoralize in my opinion (I just picked up another during this thread) I think a MAXIMUM number might be the way to go. LF had a goofy rating system that was misused in a similar fashion. If anyone has more than three to five people they can't stand, perhaps they're in the wrong place."

Perhaps you need to MYOB about who puts who on bozo. The kill file function has been a part of this software for years.

And opponents in an argument or lively discussion almost never change their minds in the course of an argument or lively discussion so the smart money has always been on a lurker focus in forum comments in the first place.

I have no sympathy for this sort of attack based on such a naval contemplation point.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-05   0:16:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That's my opinion. If you disagree, MYOB.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-05   0:21:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"That's my opinion. If you disagree, MYOB."

Oh I never do when I am this amused by forum versions of stupid pet tricks.

I have check out your attack points over the past few weeks and disagree on most of them and leave them alone as unworthy of responding to. I fully feel you have a right to your opinions and leave it at that.

But now you are doing a 'poor me' little whiny hair shirt number over the bozo. Grow a pair will ya?

Or switch to panties with a narrow enough gusset to fit your true crotch.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-05   0:27:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Please quit again.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-05   0:32:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"Please quit again."

Stop whining, it's lame.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-05   0:35:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Pipe down, lefty. Your tree hugging act has worn thin.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-05   0:37:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"Pipe down, lefty. Your tree hugging act has worn thin."

I am very amused by all this. I'm not going anywhere. But thanks for sharing anyway.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-05   0:40:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not going anywhere. But thanks for sharing anyway.

Maybe not now, but you will. That's your history. I hear Prozac helps.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-05   0:42:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I was at 9 and now am at 11 filters I occupy.

This is incredible, I should win going away...only 14 minutes left.

FOH  posted on  2008-05-05   0:46:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I was at 9 and now am at 11 filters I occupy.

I think it's your predictable, and very stock hate rants. People can get that by just turning on Ed Levin. When they come here they are looking for substance. But then, those people are all commie, Marxist, baby killers. Right?

...  posted on  2008-05-05   0:48:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

When they come here they are looking for substance.

And all they get anymore are you goofy collectivists outing yourselves and destroying 4um...

FOH  posted on  2008-05-05   0:50:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And all they get anymore are you goofy collectivists outing yourselves and destroying 4um...

And here is the reason why half the participating 4um has you on Bozo.

Now be a good tool and call them all commie Marxists. Maybe if you are just hateful enough, and just vapid enough and maybe if you make a big enough ass out of yourself, then they will start liking you and listen to you. Is that your plan? Seems to be.

Everyone except you is a commie, a Marxist or a collectivist. Got it. And do you know how people react to you? Yawn ... another bitter, inarticulate ex-freeper who uses insults in an attempt to shut down discussion he can't refute.

All in all, yur a shitty advocate. No humor. No personality. No rational argument. Just knuckle dragging insults - and an apparent confusion as to why have the world puts you on bozo. Shall I explain why they do that?

...  posted on  2008-05-05   0:56:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And here is the reason why half the participating 4um has you on Bozo.

Now be a good tool and call them all commie Marxists. Maybe if you are just hateful enough, and just vapid enough and maybe if you make a big enough ass out of yourself, then they will start liking you and listen to you.

(Yur a shitty advocate.)

Let's get something clear, again.

I could give 2 freaking rips what ANY of you Liberal/Commie-Fascist/Progressive/OWMs think !

If I'm not on your bozo, I'm not trying hard enough !!

I will mock you little deviants endlessly and remind you what anti-American mutants you are...every turn.

The best part of ALL of this is that the lines are clearly marked. You know who you are and the rest of us all know what you are...

FOH  posted on  2008-05-05   1:01:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I could give 2 freaking rips what ANY of you Liberal/Commie-Fascist/Progressive/OWMs think !

OOoooooh. Hopping mad and jumping up and down.

Do you know why half the forum has you on bozo? It's because they don't give a shit for your bitter freeper crap.

And do you know why Jim banned you? It's because the freepers don't give a shit for your bitter, ignorant crap either.

Yawn. Why don't you call me when you grow enough of a brain to do something besides fling feces. This idiotic name calling, which is all you are capable of, is the reason you guys are now known as the 27%.

...  posted on  2008-05-05   1:05:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#157. To: ... (#154)

Do you know why half the forum has you on bozo?

Again, dotty, the ones that have me on bozo are the same people that should have me on bozo.

I won a bunch of you peckerwoods over for Ron Paul's campaign and it was akin to inviting your enemy in for some personal destruction.

GO EFF YOURSELF small time !!

FOH  posted on  2008-05-05 01:06:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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