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Title: Attention 4um Members
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else?

When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.

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#109. To: christine, Pingunite (#0)

Long time, no post :)

I have no dog in this hunt, but FWIW, three points:

a) the bozo filter is a valuable tool. I personally don't use it as I wish to know what is being said. But many posters whom I respect greatly and whom I think are an asset to your forum, benefit from their use of the bozo filter.

b) I'll re-iterate my long held personal belief that the "acid" that eats away at this forum, as it has eaten away at other forums, is the incivility: the personal attacks, the vulgarities, etc. If someone can't make their point without swearing and attacking someone else personally, they really don't have a point worth discussing - they just have a vendetta. But that kind of constant barrage of incivility (from all sides, from any side) eats away at a forum. It drives away lurkers, it spams threads, and it smothers discussion. If you're in a mood to try something new, try banning (even temporarily after a warning or three), whomever in your opinion persists in vulgar personal attacks and who doesn't debate but just rants. Remove the uncivil, let the dust settle, see what that looks like.

c) I don't believe for one second that Neil McIver has ever has read PM's, aside from any sent to him or any involved in software/database problems. Regardless, should he need to, Neil McIver is one of the few people I would trust to read my PM's. If I had a forum I wouldn't hesitate to give Neil the keys. The guy is as honest, trustworthy, and transparent as you'll ever find.

Otherwise, best wishes to you and all.

Starwind  posted on  2008-05-05   0:33:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

b) I'll re-iterate my long held personal belief that the "acid" that eats away at this forum, as it has eaten away at other forums, is the incivility: the personal attacks, the vulgarities, etc. If someone can't make their point without swearing and attacking someone else personally, they really don't have a point worth discussing - they just have a vendetta. But that kind of constant barrage of incivility (from all sides, from any side) eats away at a forum. It drives away lurkers, it spams threads, and it smothers discussion. If you're in a mood to try something new, try banning (even temporarily after a warning or three), whomever in your opinion persists in vulgar personal attacks and who doesn't debate but just rants. Remove the uncivil, let the dust settle, see what that looks like.

i've pretty much been a hands off moderator and have had the philosophy of letting members fight it out amongst themselves. i respect the fact that we're all adults here and i am not at all an authoritarian. further, i've never liked other forum's owners and moderators deciding what is civil and what is not and then treating their members like they're naughty children.

but, you certainly make a valid point.

i am hoping that others will see this and exercise self control and restraint with the personal attacks so that i won't have to change my way of being. i will, however, get tough if i have to. ;)

thank you for your comments. i appreciate them and it's very nice to see you again.

christine  posted on  2008-05-05   1:22:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

further, i've never liked other forum's owners and moderators deciding what is civil and what is not and then treating their members like they're naughty children.

Their "moderation" is really just an ego trip. The bias and manipulation is palpable. So, agreed, there are no examples I can think of to commend.

i will, however, get tough if i have to.

It may not be as tough as you imagine, and you'll get 80% of the benefit with banning the worst 20%. I believe Pingunite has obscenity filters that could be enabled - that automates a lot of the trivia mommyadmin. Leaving you free to make a judgement call (as you've done in the past) to identify who is here to discuss (or entertain) versus who is looking to start flame wars.

i appreciate them and it's very nice to see you again.

Thank you. Condolences on the food fight :)

Starwind  posted on  2008-05-05   1:35:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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