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Title: Attention 4um Members
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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Views: 21243
Comments: 655

I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else?

When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.

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#10. To: christine (#0)

Chrissy, my opinion: I don't think 4um itself is being destroyed. There may have been accusations of 4um being an echo chamber way back in the old days. Obviously, that accusation cannot be made now.

Disagreement is one of the main points of a forum. Sure it may mean some people go, but new people come. That's normal. That's healthy.

I agree that I would not have supposed that the R&D election cycle would bring this kind of discord here. But then again, maybe it's doing a service by bringing more that we really are out. If so, that may be uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean it's wrong or unhealthy forum-wise. It's not the point of 4um to mold any of us into something we aren't. Certainly that's not going to happen except for those individuals that allow themselves to change.

Please take heart that that's how it should be.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   22:55:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What about you reading our PM's?

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   22:59:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What about you reading our PM's?

Ahahahhahaha

You funny. Yes, the risk of just such an accusation was floated when PM's were added. And it's none I take politely.

But maybe that's why you accused me of it. Do you have any specific evidence to accompany your accusation, or you just want to float that and walk off?

However, my defense was put in place at the same time as the PM service and it's this. At the bottom of the PM page, you'll see a disclaimer. Read it. On it, you'll see that you were warned that I can read PM mail, and if you have private info you don't want to rink me reading, then you are encouraged to communicate some other way.

And since I'm in the impossible situation of proving a negative in my defense, I instead claim this: If you think I'm reading your pmails, then I *AM* reading your PM mails. Believe it. If you don't want me reading your pmails, you are expected to respond by making other communication arrangements.

Thank you.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:13:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

To: Peppa

What about you reading our PM's? Ahahahhahaha

You funny. Yes, the risk of just such an accusation was floated when PM's were added. And it's none I take politely.

But maybe that's why you accused me of it. Do you have any specific evidence to accompany your accusation, or you just want to float that and walk off?

However, my defense was put in place at the same time as the PM service and it's this. At the bottom of the PM page, you'll see a disclaimer. Read it. On it, you'll see that you were warned that I can read PM mail, and if you have private info you don't want to rink me reading, then you are encouraged to communicate some other way.

And since I'm in the impossible situation of proving a negative in my defense, I instead claim this: If you think I'm reading your pmails, then I *AM* reading your PM mails. Believe it. If you don't want me reading your pmails, you are expected to respond by making other communication arrangements.

Thank you.

Just FYI...

Big Brother is watching.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:16:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Just FYI...

Big Brother is watching.

Chrissy, please note the empty accusation, placed out of the blue on a thread having nothing to do with the concern you raised.

You're the judge.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:22:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Just FYI... Big Brother is watching.

Chrissy, please note the empty accusation, placed out of the blue on a thread having nothing to do with the concern you raised.

You're the judge.

BS.

Too many know.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:23:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

BS.

Too many know.

Yes, just look at the mobs.

I know for a fact your accusation is false. I *know* that. And because I know that, I now know that you, Peppa, are a fraud.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:27:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

BS. Too many know.

Yes, just look at the mobs.

I know for a fact your accusation is false. I *know* that. And because I know that, I now know that you, Peppa, are a fraud.

Sure you do.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:29:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Sure you do.

Come on, spill the beans! If this is really happening, I think it best that the proof get aired out in public. A lot of people would probably like to know if their PMs are being spied upon.

Critter  posted on  2008-05-04   23:31:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

To: Peppa

Sure you do. Come on, spill the beans! If this is really happening, I think it best that the proof get aired out in public. A lot of people would probably like to know if their PMs are being spied upon.

He admitted it...

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:34:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He admitted it...

Peppa, have you presented your entire case?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:37:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He admitted it... Peppa, have you presented your entire case?

You will have to work that out with Christine.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:41:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You will have to work that out with Christine.

Christine will judge.

And I suspect Christine knows me a lot better than she knows you.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-04   23:52:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You will have to work that out with Christine. Christine will judge.

And I suspect Christine knows me a lot better than she knows you.

It's not about sides, it's about privacy.

So, it's up to her.

If the webmaster can't be trusted, as you have said, you have your rights to do whatever you want, then, of course, it's up to everyone to decide whether it's worth it to accomodate your nose in their butt.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-04   23:57:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If the webmaster can't be trusted, as you have said, you have your rights to do whatever you want, then, of course, it's up to everyone to decide whether it's worth it to accomodate your nose in their butt.

Still no evidence....

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-05   0:00:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If the webmaster can't be trusted, as you have said, you have your rights to do whatever you want, then, of course, it's up to everyone to decide whether it's worth it to accomodate your nose in their butt. Still no evidence

You admitted it neil.

Like i said, it's between you and Christine.

Perhaps a software change where access to read is permitted only by the forum owner.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-05   0:20:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Perhaps a software change where access to read is permitted only by the forum owner.

I don't think that's possible on a Unix server where the operator needs to have root access. It would require some kind of encryption key, and even then it might not be possible.

A simpler solution is to say that if you don't trust the webmaster, don't pour out your guts in a PM. Use regular email for that.

...  posted on  2008-05-05   0:22:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

A simpler solution is to say that if you don't trust the webmaster, don't pour out your guts in a PM. Use regular email for that.

LOL!!

I don't, but, the fact remains something people should be aware of.

I'll leave it at that ...

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-05   0:26:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't, but, the fact remains something people should be aware of.

That is why the notice was put on the page. To make people aware of it.

...  posted on  2008-05-05   0:27:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That is why the notice was put on the page. To make people aware of it.

Yep.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-05   0:30:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That is why the notice was put on the page. To make people aware of it.

Yep.

You weren't in on the last fiasco. Most of the original people here simply don't consider PMs to be secure as a matter of course. A lot of people had got burned by this at an old site.

And as was said before, the accusation that someone was peeking at PMs was one of the reasons for the "No Security Promised Here" policy. If you can't defend against the charge that you are peeking, and you can't, then you just don't promise security - and then you don't have to defend against the charge.

The original people here did not assume privacy in the PMs, but maybe the new people do. So maybe it would be a good idea to make the policy a little more plain. Maybe something like a check box on the sign up saying "I read the PM policy and I know there is no promise of security" or something like that.

...  posted on  2008-05-05   1:26:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You weren't in on the last fiasco.

I'm not buying that innocent "you weren't there" stuff for Peppa.

Peppa leveled a very serious accusation. If she had an ounce of circumstantial evidence, she could float it and I/we could deal with it. But there's nothing NOTHING she's placed on the table to back up the accusation. Further she claimed lots of people knew:

Too many know.

Were are these crowds, Peppa? How come they are not coming to your defense?

They don't exist, do they? DO THEY?? This also was a lie, wasn't it? An outright LIE. If they are here they obviously don't love you very much.

And, for the fourteenth time, why the accusation on THIS thread? But you ain't talkin.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-05   1:49:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Peppa leveled a very serious accusation. If she had an ounce of circumstantial evidence, she could float it and I/we could deal with it. But there's nothing NOTHING she's placed on the table to back up the accusation.

It's drivin ya nuts, ain't it Neil ?

You should probably ban her, right Neil ??

FOH  posted on  2008-05-05   1:51:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's drivin ya nuts, ain't it Neil ?

No, I think it's driving you nuts. I mean, you're the one that's ranting at the empty air.

...  posted on  2008-05-05   1:52:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

May I suggest you bozo him and be done with it? I mean, you're treading down the same path I and probably 8 others have already.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-05   1:59:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#189. To: Pinguinite (#187)

May I suggest you bozo him and be done with it? I mean, you're treading down the same path I and probably 8 others have already.

I might. I think you made the mistake of taking him seriously. But if you read the thread above you'll see he isn't capable of anything beyond "Fuck you commie!!".

I have people over now and they are getting a kick out of him. They're from the University and they're used to people operating on a much more rational level. They're not net people. They're sort of horrified and sort of fascinated watching a hostile idiot like this in action.

A friend of mine just got her Phd in Bio Chem. We are having a party.

...  posted on  2008-05-05 02:05:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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