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Title: Attention 4um Members
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else? When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.
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#201. To: Pinguinite, christine, all (#10)
I agree that I would not have supposed that the R&D election cycle would bring this kind of discord here. But then again, maybe it's doing a service by bringing more that we really are out. If so, that may be uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean it's wrong or unhealthy forum-wise. It's not the point of 4um to mold any of us into something we aren't. Certainly that's not going to happen except for those individuals that allow themselves to change. Please take heart that that's how it should be. Agree completely, Neil. The members wanted the bozo filter, and then you added the ignore thread feature here (as an added bonus) so if people don't want to post or participate here; fine. There are no fundraisers or fees to join, and everyone is here because they wish to be here. Don't change a thing.
Then who would argue with them? ; )
Read New History I say hi back. My sister Linda had a house in Boulder before she died of cancer in 2004, nice little town Boulder I found in my time there. I so tune out the repetitiveness. I do notice if he says something new, but he'll either figure out he's not effective here being repetitive, or won't. I just don't waste time worrying about it. I am perfectly capable of rattling cages when I want to in forums, but I spend more time studying what is effective in the art of posting, or not; and why this is so. It would be nice to have some of the same enthusiasm for doing this I did when I started in 1995, but it isn't reasonable to expect that to remain the same. People change, and the times and places the discussions change all the time too. I love to argue some things politically, but I have problems with the fact many battles I have done more then once and am bored with a clumsy and badly done rebuttal. I am doing more and more personal journal writing, and keeping much of it to my self. I like writing, and that is just the phase I am in right now. I plan ultimately to do more blogging then posting for awhile, as I have done political forum posting so long I need the change. But I'll always be in places like this too. Even if I am doing more lurking then I used to do.
That is an absolutely outstanding suggestion.
Elect anyone but Obama, Clinton, or McCain.
If there is a problem, it is not with the software, the maintainer of the software, or the bozo filter.
And what of the gaps in the thread the subject of the
bozo would see?
I come here to read about health/financial/gardening material as a general rule, and couldn't care less about Obama/McCain/Clinton (although I am STILL following Paul's "campaign", just to see how many people vote against McCain). All I really want to know is...where do I report to for that spanking that 'critter' mentioned? :-)
You have disruptors here. The bozo use is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. It allows freedom of association. I use the filter to make the latest comment pages useable for me. Like for example, in the morning, Kamala posts lots and lots of informative threads. They aren't breaking news or necessarily news I want to read right then, so I filter them out. I ban from my view the proven stupid and spammers and disruptors and those who get their panties in a knot over Obama. I even banned cynicom once or twice because he made me want to pull my hair out. Mudboy Slim and VRWC are the same disruptors here that they were in the other forums. FOH is a disruptor as well. And there are operatives. They're more difficult to weed out. People can filter them or not. People should know that Private Mails are not secure. It sure was distressing to see Neil (Webmaster) jump in on that one thread accusing people who weren't supporting Obama to be akin to murderers. And he was uncharacteristically rude. Who knows if it's Neil or not or where he's really coming from? So yeah, you have problems here. Banning the obvious trolls is entirely appropriate. What seems to be happening is a hijacking of the forum by Obamaphiles and operatives using the filter to limit their discussion group. But what harm does that do unless there's lots of 'em? No real harm...I mean how many times can you post rah-rah Obama? If the others like Jethro Tull and peppa would use some restraint from baiting them and keeping those threads alive, some of the crap would die down. People here are intelligent enough to see who's who and what their agenda is. I suggest to do nothing but the bare minimum. The trolls are showing themselves and those paying attention can adjust accordingly.
And what of the gaps in the thread the subject of the bozo would see? You don't see gaps if someone has you on bozo. Only if you have someone else on bozo. The whole problem is people looking at their bozo count and freaking out. If they can't see how many people have them on bozo, no problem.
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
ghost... Odd you of all people should use the term "paranoia".
So we can then assume unanswered posts directed at someone who has another on bozo is simply an act of rudeness? If people aren't satisfied w/more than a handful of bozo's, coupled w/ a civility-stalking requirement, then satisfaction here isn't possible. IMVHO.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
yes, it is. Is it possible to code far fewer slots into the bozo list? yes, it is possible and i think this is the best solution/compromise.
* Any person knowing your login ID and password (including site administrators if you have requested your password be changed); * Any person using a computer on which you have logged onto this forum and for which you have either not closed the web browser OR you have checked the option to have the computer remember your ID and PW information (on the setup screen); * Software engineers/programmers having certain privileged access to the computer hosting this web forum. * Software engineers/programmers having "wire tap" access to the data as it is transmitted between your computer and web server. As a modest measure of privacy, mail data stored on site is encoded in a simple fashion to make inadvertent reading of content impossible in the rare event software maintenance needs to be performed on the mail system. However, this encoding does NOT prevent a software programmer with privileged access from decoding your content maliciously. If you are concerned about the sensitive nature of content you wish to send, you are encouraged to either NOT utilize this mail system, utilize a third party encryption tool for your content, or use this system only to make arrangements to share privileged information some other way. This part is interesting... ""However, this encoding does NOT prevent a software programmer with privileged access from decoding your content "maliciously".
What would you know of "liberal" forums? And why the " "s around the word liberal?
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I think keeping people's bozo count secret would be better. The real problem here seems to be people freaking out because a lot of people have them on bozo. If you took the count off the filter page, they would never know if someone had them on bozo. They could just assume that nobody did. People could then avoid harassment and insults by using the bozo and those on the receiving end would be none the wiser.
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Your advocation for the status quo is duly noted and not surprising.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
robin has 14? on bozo. In your scheme, her unanswered exchanges w/posters would be viewed by them as what?
I agree with this completely. I have also known Neil for a long time, almost from the inception of Liberty Post. While I have never had the pleasure of meeting him in person I do believe Neil to be honest and trustworthy and I would not worry for one minute about him reading my pm's (almost all of which I wouldn't even care to post on the board). And Neil CAN'T prove a negative but then neither can anyone else. For whatever it's worth I think Neil is a good man and one I am proud to call my friend.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I kind of tend to agree with that. I was surprised at the bitterness some like to have to those they disagree with on this issue. The way I view it is that we shouldn't even think so much of the whole system of selecting leaders to let us get upset at each other over it. When I first realized that some traditionally conservative people were going for Obama because they saw hope in him I told them I was happy that they were happy about it. Its nice to have hope on a day-to-day basis. Then later I concluded since Obama changed his web site and promised to withdraw a lot of troops in 16 months I decided that at least since he was differentiating himself from the other 2, then at least for the sake of telling the rest of the world that we are not war-mongers, then maybe it would be a good idea to vote for Obama just for that 1 reason. Its not like our election system has a track record of success, so why get so upset over it? How can we expect to always agree on every detail? as if a group of people on this 4um who differ from you are really so significant. they're not significant, no reason to get upset. you want the forum to grow? Better accept diversity. someone calls you a communist or a racist, be thick-skinned over it. and remember that other person's only doing it because he/she has nothing better to do. the way to make the forum grow is to put links up to it on other forums, especially at newspaper comment sections. if 2 or 3 people would diligently do that regularly, the forum would grow.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
to set the record straight, i am unable to read anyone else's PMs. the only way i could do that is if an account owner gave me his/her password.
If liberalism is an amalgamation of socialism and communism, and you profess to be a liberal, then your participation at DU, KOS and HuffPo makes complete sense. Your attempt to blend that dogma into what is ostensibly a freedon4um is bewildering, tho.
Neil, this is the first I have heard of this (and of course I haven't read every thread that has been posted here). Is it true that you accused people who don't support Obama--which most certainly includes me but then I don't support ANY statist whore as anyone who knows me already knows--to be akin to murderers? I find that pretty hard to believe and if you said that I would like to hear your explanation. As I said in the only other post I have made to this thread I consider you a friend and that is why I find it hard to believe that you would even think such a thing, let alone post it. My own personal disclaimer: I see some people here who don't seem to like each other for one reason or another and it is distressing to me because I like all of them. For instance, I like Peppa, FOH and Neil. I think they are all good people. But because I like all of them doesn't mean they all have to like each other. I won't be like Rodney King and ask if we can't all just get along because I know that, human nature being what it is, that we probably all can't "just get along." But all of you who don't like the others so much, or to put another way, if your dislike is so intense, the bozo filter is a good option. You don't have to see what someone has said if you don't like them and it may make your time here more enjoyable.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I take you at your word, but as I have personally experienced Free Republic reading and monitoring mine, I always assume in forum mail as a less secure form of mail them that even in a POP account, or any other form of 'free' Internet mail service. I also would never type in some of what I have to say regarding politics in any computer that links to the net, and any box used off net never keeps it's drive in it when it is off and cold.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
If liberalism is an amalgamation of socialism and/or communism, and you profess to be a liberal, then your participation at DU, KOS and HuffPo makes complete sense. Your attempt to blend that dogma into what is ostensibly a freedon4um is bewildering, tho.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
BTTT...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestDisagreement is one of the main points of a forum. Sure it may mean some people go, but new people come. That's normal. That's healthy.
#202. To: Pinguinite (#199)
The last option is, of course, to leave.
"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte
#203. To: ... (#190)
"My friend who just got her Phd is a Pagan and she says hi. She operates out of Boulder Colorado."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#204. To: ... (#93)
I think the real solution is to take the bozo count off the set up page. Then you wouldn't know how many people had you on bozo.
#205. To: lodwick, Pinguinite, christine (#201)
Don't change a thing.
#206. To: ... (#93)
I think the real solution is to take the bozo count off the set
up page. Then you wouldn't know how many people had you on bozo
#207. To: christine, critter (#0)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#208. To: christine, all (#0)
I don't even recognize the place anymore.
#209. To: Jethro Tull (#206)
I think the real solution is to take the bozo count off the set up page. Then you wouldn't know how many people had you on bozo
#210. To: christine (#0)
#211. To: christine (#0)
#212. To: Peppa (#48)
#213. To: ghostdogtxn (#212)
Your paranoia is, as usual, getting the better of you.
#214. To: ... (#209)
The whole problem is people looking at their bozo count and freaking out. If they can't see how many people have them on bozo, no problem.
#215. To: Pinguinite (#72)
#216. To: JiminyC (#198)
F4um is a microcosm of the larger body politic
#217. To: ghostdogtxn (#215)
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#218. To: ghostdogtxn (#210)
All of the "liberal" forums are torn in two, with trolling and hatred and vitriol;
#219. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
#220. To: christine (#216)
#221. To: ghostdogtxn (#219)
#222. To: Critter (#121)
#223. To: ..., robin (#220)
People could then avoid harassment and insults by using the bozo and those on the receiving end would be none the wiser.
#224. To: Starwind, Neil McIver, Peppa, christine, all (#109)
c) I don't believe for one second that Neil McIver has ever has read PM's, aside from any sent to him or any involved in software/database problems. Regardless, should he need to, Neil McIver is one of the few people I would trust to read my PM's. If I had a forum I wouldn't hesitate to give Neil the keys. The guy is as honest, trustworthy, and transparent as you'll ever find.
Lord Acton
#225. To: ... (#186)
#226. To: ... (#189)
#227. To: ReallyOrnery (#194)
#228. To: lodwick, christine (#201)
#229. To: Cynicom (#213)
#230. To: Pinguinite (#10)
Disagreement is one of the main points of a forum
#231. To: Cynicom (#217)
#232. To: Jethro Tull (#218)
#233. To: Jethro Tull (#221)
#234. To: ghostdogtxn (#231)
#235. To: ghostdogtxn (#232)
Socialism and communism have been amalgamated into "liberalism" and I think that's a shame. I'm a liberal, not a communist or a socialist
#236. To: angle, Neil McIver (#208)
People should know that Private Mails are not secure. It sure was distressing to see Neil (Webmaster) jump in on that one thread accusing people who weren't supporting Obama to be akin to murderers. And he was uncharacteristically rude. Who knows if it's Neil or not or where he's really coming from?
Lord Acton
#237. To: christine (#234)
"to set the record straight, i am unable to read anyone else's PMs. the only way i could do that is if an account owner gave me his/her password."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#238. To: Jethro Tull (#235)
#239. To: ghostdogtxn (#238)
My amended comment to your #238
#240. To: christine (#234)
#241. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
"I think some modicum of respect needs to be enforced and a limit to the number of bozo's. People can rotate "offenders" on and off as needed, but the current system is being used as a tool."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
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