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Title: Attention 4um Members
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else?

When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.

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#109. To: christine, Pingunite (#0)

Long time, no post :)

I have no dog in this hunt, but FWIW, three points:

a) the bozo filter is a valuable tool. I personally don't use it as I wish to know what is being said. But many posters whom I respect greatly and whom I think are an asset to your forum, benefit from their use of the bozo filter.

b) I'll re-iterate my long held personal belief that the "acid" that eats away at this forum, as it has eaten away at other forums, is the incivility: the personal attacks, the vulgarities, etc. If someone can't make their point without swearing and attacking someone else personally, they really don't have a point worth discussing - they just have a vendetta. But that kind of constant barrage of incivility (from all sides, from any side) eats away at a forum. It drives away lurkers, it spams threads, and it smothers discussion. If you're in a mood to try something new, try banning (even temporarily after a warning or three), whomever in your opinion persists in vulgar personal attacks and who doesn't debate but just rants. Remove the uncivil, let the dust settle, see what that looks like.

c) I don't believe for one second that Neil McIver has ever has read PM's, aside from any sent to him or any involved in software/database problems. Regardless, should he need to, Neil McIver is one of the few people I would trust to read my PM's. If I had a forum I wouldn't hesitate to give Neil the keys. The guy is as honest, trustworthy, and transparent as you'll ever find.

Otherwise, best wishes to you and all.

Starwind  posted on  2008-05-05   0:33:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll re-iterate my long held personal belief that the "acid" that eats away at this forum, as it has eaten away at other forums, is the incivility: the personal attacks, the vulgarities, etc.

It's an alternate tactic for those who can't defend their position. They use the personal attacks to punish those who post well thought out opinions that they disagree with - but can't refute. Yukon, ALS and most freeper types resort to this.

...  posted on  2008-05-05   0:42:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's an alternate tactic for those who can't defend their position. They use the personal attacks to punish those who post well thought out opinions that they disagree with - but can't refute. Yukon, ALS and most freeper types resort to this.

People who do that ought to be banned. That's the proper solution for those people and I believe is properly exercised here.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-05   1:08:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

People who do that ought to be banned. That's the proper solution for those people and I believe is properly exercised here.

A perfect example of this is FOH with his silly name calling (see above).

But I disagree that he should be banned. Actually, I think the type of hostile ignorance he bleeds all over the forum is one of the reasons the GOP is now in the toilet. People don't think of Bush when they think of the GOP. That's too abstract for them. They think of moronic, childish bullies like FOH, i.e., their neighbor or co-worker.

...  posted on  2008-05-05   1:13:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

A perfect example of this is FOH with his silly name calling (see above).

That's why I bozo'd him. He does NOT constructively contribute to the forum. In his case I don't think banning is out of order. That's not my call, it's just my opinion. And I'm not even asking he be banned as to merely ask places a burden on the site owner. I'm satisfied banning him from my world via bozo.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-05   1:35:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"That's why I bozo'd him. He does NOT constructively contribute to the forum. In his case I don't think banning is out of order. That's not my call, it's just my opinion. And I'm not even asking he be banned as to merely ask places a burden on the site owner. I'm satisfied banning him from my world via bozo."

I've enjoyed seeing JT engaged enough to playing his role advocating against Obama I've actually enjoyed that. I do have a problem with trying to use the bozo as leverage in spin doctoring an issue however. And he blew it ethically on the 2nd Amendment hypothetical in a big way.

And as nasty as I can certainly be in my criticism, none of it is personal as on the balance of things I have gotten good stuff over the years by reading Jethro. That is my overall perspective here.

As for FOH, I hear and appreciate his enthusiasm for his point of view. He is also a generally nice guy who is entertaining to watch when he goes off the deep end politically. I would never bozo him.

The internal judgment of what to read and what to ignore is far more powerful a tool then any software function to kill file something. The brain and will is mightier then the computer or software.

There is no good reason in any way to be doing an introspective naval watch session on this way to bookmark another into oblivion. This entire line of discussion is pointless to the extreme.

To bozo or not to bozo, to worry about it to this extreme is actually worse then anything involved in doing or not doing it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-05   1:53:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

As for FOH, I hear and appreciate his enthusiasm for his point of view. He is also a generally nice guy who is entertaining to watch when he goes off the deep end politically.

I find him to be pretty much your stock freeper. Read the thread above, he's been at it for hours and hasn't come up with anything that a pouting nine year old couldn't better.

He is fun to poke however. I must admit that.

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"He is fun to poke..."

Provocateur.

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-05-05   11:08:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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