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Title: Attention 4um Members
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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Views: 32037
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I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else?

When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.

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#208. To: christine, all (#0)

I don't even recognize the place anymore.

You have disruptors here.

The bozo use is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. It allows freedom of association. I use the filter to make the latest comment pages useable for me. Like for example, in the morning, Kamala posts lots and lots of informative threads. They aren't breaking news or necessarily news I want to read right then, so I filter them out. I ban from my view the proven stupid and spammers and disruptors and those who get their panties in a knot over Obama. I even banned cynicom once or twice because he made me want to pull my hair out.

Mudboy Slim and VRWC are the same disruptors here that they were in the other forums. FOH is a disruptor as well. And there are operatives. They're more difficult to weed out. People can filter them or not.

People should know that Private Mails are not secure. It sure was distressing to see Neil (Webmaster) jump in on that one thread accusing people who weren't supporting Obama to be akin to murderers. And he was uncharacteristically rude. Who knows if it's Neil or not or where he's really coming from?

So yeah, you have problems here. Banning the obvious trolls is entirely appropriate. What seems to be happening is a hijacking of the forum by Obamaphiles and operatives using the filter to limit their discussion group. But what harm does that do unless there's lots of 'em? No real harm...I mean how many times can you post rah-rah Obama?

If the others like Jethro Tull and peppa would use some restraint from baiting them and keeping those threads alive, some of the crap would die down. People here are intelligent enough to see who's who and what their agenda is.

I suggest to do nothing but the bare minimum. The trolls are showing themselves and those paying attention can adjust accordingly.

angle  posted on  2008-05-05   8:32:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

People should know that Private Mails are not secure. It sure was distressing to see Neil (Webmaster) jump in on that one thread accusing people who weren't supporting Obama to be akin to murderers. And he was uncharacteristically rude. Who knows if it's Neil or not or where he's really coming from?

Neil, this is the first I have heard of this (and of course I haven't read every thread that has been posted here). Is it true that you accused people who don't support Obama--which most certainly includes me but then I don't support ANY statist whore as anyone who knows me already knows--to be akin to murderers? I find that pretty hard to believe and if you said that I would like to hear your explanation. As I said in the only other post I have made to this thread I consider you a friend and that is why I find it hard to believe that you would even think such a thing, let alone post it.

My own personal disclaimer: I see some people here who don't seem to like each other for one reason or another and it is distressing to me because I like all of them. For instance, I like Peppa, FOH and Neil. I think they are all good people. But because I like all of them doesn't mean they all have to like each other. I won't be like Rodney King and ask if we can't all just get along because I know that, human nature being what it is, that we probably all can't "just get along." But all of you who don't like the others so much, or to put another way, if your dislike is so intense, the bozo filter is a good option. You don't have to see what someone has said if you don't like them and it may make your time here more enjoyable.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-05   10:32:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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#44. To: RickyJ (#41) Of the 3, I prefer Obama take it. The USA is screwed no matter which of the 3 wins. Given that, it makes sense to prefer the one that is least likely to start WWIII and otherwise end the imperialism. I know its probable that Obama won't bring all the troops home, but Cain will increase imperialism and bombing.

As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

Again, since the USA is gonna die anyway no matter which of the 3 it is, the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be. I won't vote for Obama as it's much more beneficial such as it is to vote for Ron Paul or Bob Barr, but that's my position and preference.

Pinguinite posted on 2008-04-15 14:40:51 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply

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#50. To: Pinguinite (#44)

For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
At the expense? How do you figure?

the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be

Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.

angle posted on 2008-04-15 15:04:45 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply

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#56. To: angle, (#50)

Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.

If you believe in your moral right to preserve your legal right to a firearm surpasses the rights of others to live, then guess what....

YOU are no different than the NWO elite!!!

Because that's exactly what they say. So maybe you and JT can put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Pinguinite posted on 2008-04-15 15:34:23 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply

Here's the thread that changed the way I viewed Neil. It's not just one post. It was post after post when regular people who like Neil were questioning his statements. It just got bizarre.

angle  posted on  2008-05-05   12:51:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-05   13:30:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Pinguinite takes the position that if we have to give up some ground on the R2KBA issue in exchange for not dropping bombs on some other population, then that's a sacrifice he's willing to make.

*Thank you* Ghost. I guess I've never really seen anyone contrast the value of a important but relatively abstract "Constitutional right" with real life killing and dying with is not abstract at all.

Seems funny things happen when you do. Get accused of all kinds of stuff. I cannot fathom how any sane and moral person could possibly disagree with the a statement that basically says that it's wrong to kill innocent people to secure a 2A right, or any other comparatively abstract right. It blows my mind. (No pun intended).

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-05   14:23:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-05   14:43:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#291. To: ghostdogtxn (#282)

given a choice between having a lunatic warmonger (who will staunchly defend the 2d Am. but murder a lot of foreigners for no damn reason I can think of) versus someone who won't murder the foreigners (but is 'weak' on the 2d Am),

The Bushite Republicans have so far kept their hands off the 2nd Amendment -- because it was in their political interest to do so.

However, given the cavalier treatment they have given the rest of the Bill of Rights, I see no reason to have any confidence that they will keep their hands off the 2nd Amendment forever.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-05 14:54:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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