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Title: Attention 4um Members
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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Comments: 655

I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else?

When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.

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#208. To: christine, all (#0)

I don't even recognize the place anymore.

You have disruptors here.

The bozo use is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. It allows freedom of association. I use the filter to make the latest comment pages useable for me. Like for example, in the morning, Kamala posts lots and lots of informative threads. They aren't breaking news or necessarily news I want to read right then, so I filter them out. I ban from my view the proven stupid and spammers and disruptors and those who get their panties in a knot over Obama. I even banned cynicom once or twice because he made me want to pull my hair out.

Mudboy Slim and VRWC are the same disruptors here that they were in the other forums. FOH is a disruptor as well. And there are operatives. They're more difficult to weed out. People can filter them or not.

People should know that Private Mails are not secure. It sure was distressing to see Neil (Webmaster) jump in on that one thread accusing people who weren't supporting Obama to be akin to murderers. And he was uncharacteristically rude. Who knows if it's Neil or not or where he's really coming from?

So yeah, you have problems here. Banning the obvious trolls is entirely appropriate. What seems to be happening is a hijacking of the forum by Obamaphiles and operatives using the filter to limit their discussion group. But what harm does that do unless there's lots of 'em? No real harm...I mean how many times can you post rah-rah Obama?

If the others like Jethro Tull and peppa would use some restraint from baiting them and keeping those threads alive, some of the crap would die down. People here are intelligent enough to see who's who and what their agenda is.

I suggest to do nothing but the bare minimum. The trolls are showing themselves and those paying attention can adjust accordingly.

angle  posted on  2008-05-05   8:32:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

People should know that Private Mails are not secure. It sure was distressing to see Neil (Webmaster) jump in on that one thread accusing people who weren't supporting Obama to be akin to murderers. And he was uncharacteristically rude. Who knows if it's Neil or not or where he's really coming from?

Neil, this is the first I have heard of this (and of course I haven't read every thread that has been posted here). Is it true that you accused people who don't support Obama--which most certainly includes me but then I don't support ANY statist whore as anyone who knows me already knows--to be akin to murderers? I find that pretty hard to believe and if you said that I would like to hear your explanation. As I said in the only other post I have made to this thread I consider you a friend and that is why I find it hard to believe that you would even think such a thing, let alone post it.

My own personal disclaimer: I see some people here who don't seem to like each other for one reason or another and it is distressing to me because I like all of them. For instance, I like Peppa, FOH and Neil. I think they are all good people. But because I like all of them doesn't mean they all have to like each other. I won't be like Rodney King and ask if we can't all just get along because I know that, human nature being what it is, that we probably all can't "just get along." But all of you who don't like the others so much, or to put another way, if your dislike is so intense, the bozo filter is a good option. You don't have to see what someone has said if you don't like them and it may make your time here more enjoyable.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-05   10:32:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Neil, this is the first I have heard of this (and of course I haven't read every thread that has been posted here). Is it true that you accused people who don't support Obama--which most certainly includes me but then I don't support ANY statist whore as anyone who knows me already knows--to be akin to murderers?

That is not true.

Jethro Tull freely admitted and has never redacted nor denied, in spite of being given numerous opportunities to do so, that in a hypothetical scenario, he would shoot an innocent girl as a means to an end of furthering 2A rights. The girl dies for the "greater good" he said.

So, by his own admission, I characterize JT as willing to murder innocent people to further his own personal interests. Since it is true that he also opposes Obama, then in so far as JT is concerned the statement "accusing people who weren't supporting Obama to be akin to murderers" is certainly true, but it is certainly false to construe that as accusing *all* people who oppose Obama as being akin to murderers. That is false. Angle should know better than to make such a false insinuation.

As I said in the only other post I have made to this thread I consider you a friend and that is why I find it hard to believe that you would even think such a thing, let alone post it.

Thank you.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-05   14:03:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So, by his own admission, I characterize JT as willing to murder innocent people to further his own personal interests.

Personal interests ?

*Our* 2nd applies to our NATIONAL INTEREST.

Neil, you are no longer trustworthy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-05   14:28:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

*Our* 2nd applies to our NATIONAL INTEREST.

(1) You seem to be assuming that our national interest necessarily outweighs the interests of the human race. Aggressive war might be in the interest of the country that wages it, and still be very definitely wrong.

But (2) I would maintain that aggressive wars like Bush's (or like the ones McCain and probably also Hillary would launch) are NOT in the U.S.'s interest, and indeed weigh more heavily in our nation's interests than does the 2nd Amendment.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-05   14:41:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I would maintain that aggressive wars like Bush's (or like the ones McCain and probably also Hillary would launch) are NOT in the U.S.'s interest, and indeed weigh more heavily in our nation's interests than does the 2nd Amendment.

And upon the surrender of our 2nd, in promise of global peace, what ensures that we won't become an unarmed nation, ruled by war mongering thugs?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-05   14:44:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And upon the surrender of our 2nd,

I am unaware of anybody suggesting abolishing the 2nd Amendment. Obama wants to limit gun rights more than some people here would like, but he has never suggested anything like total abolition. In fact, by giving it as his constitutional view that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms, he goes further in your direction than any Democratic presidential candidate within my memory, and also than Hillary today.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-05   14:52:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And upon the surrender of our 2nd, in promise of global peace, what ensures that we won't become an unarmed nation, ruled by war mongering thugs?

That's the hypothetical. Stay focused. Your answer?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-05   14:55:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I do not say the 2nd Amendment has no importance.

I am saying it can be outweighed by other things.

No doubt a post-2nd Amendment America would also wage aggressive wars. I don't want that either.

But there's no reason to think Obama would abolish the 2nd Amendment. And there's plenty of reason to doubt that a McCain would protect it any more than the rest of the Bill of Rights.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-05   14:59:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-05   15:00:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

A strong second to that point, counsellor.

When the government decides to disarm us, they will. No one man will do it.

Arete  posted on  2008-05-05   15:08:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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