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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else? When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.
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#331. To: Jethro Tull (#273)
Finally, JT gives some accounting for his decision. I'm somewhat tempted to pursue this further, but it would take some effort that I think will be wasted. Please tell me if I should bother.
Fine. Would you vote for someone for president who promised to bomb the nation of Iran if he also promised to secure the national interests of the USA by restoring the 2A?
I've incorporated my compromise solution to the bozo filter debate. The total number of slots is now 10 rather than 20. I hope that's a decision that everyone can live with, but if not, I understand.
Big wupty. :p I think eliminating anonymous bozoing would have been better. :)
Tagline space for rent.
My hypothetical scenario did not offer a choice between causing the death of 1 person vs causing the death of millions of others. It latter choice was only for securing the 2A. IF JT equated the latter with the death of millions, then that would be some moral justification in his favor. But that was not the option I had painted.
Sometimes I say things just to drop rhetorical hints out amongst the crowd.
Tagline space for rent.
got this from RTR: I don't carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed. I don't carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place. I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world. I don't carry a gun because I'm evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world. I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government. I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared. I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon. I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy. I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy. I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love. I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate. I don't carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me. John Steinbeck issued a warning that all should remember: 'Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass kickin'. And remember, GOD created man, Sam Colt made them equal. Remember this statement: "When the government fears the people, you have liberty. When the people fear the government [or the IRS, for that matter], you have Tyranny." (Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence of the United States) Disclaimer I'm not a Lawyer, this is not legal advice. Nor am I a Brain Surgeon, Pastry Chef or Indian Chief. This communication is private and privileged intended only to those individuals marked "To", "CC" or "BCC". To the snoopy government agencies, or anyone else this mail isn't being specifically directed to; you are cordially invited and instructed to PISS OFF!!
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." ROFL!! Hey, I don't think Badeye's been banned from this place yet, maybe he'll show up. LOL...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, IMO, why have a bozo function. Eliminate it. If you want in on a discussion forum, you go with the discussion you have, not the discussion you want, which in many cases turns into an echochambercirclejerk.
Sheeesh, I could care less who y'all vote for, and McCain's gonna win my home state of Virginia handily, so it really doesn't matter who I vote for either. I just like arguing...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, "Mud's already made a valiant effort to silence the viewpoints he disagrees with over here." Evidence, please. "He's insulted people..." I give as I get... "...he's tossed out obscenities..." Waaaahhh!! "...and he's stalked various posters." You are a BALD-FACED LIAR, twinkle-toes. "Mostly this just earned him a double digit bozo rating that the contempt of the forum." Nope...three bozos total...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Make it three.
This thread's got me so pissed off, I decided to bozo myself.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I've yet to say I definitely WON'T vote for McCain...it's waaay too early...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Hell, I'll vote for him, but being from MA, it's a throwaway vote anyway. Why? Cindy McCain, she looks like she was born for the WhiteHouse. And how cool is it for a guy to marry the hot heiress of a BEER distributor?
LOLOL !!! Just remember, I've got your coming out party for Halloween Day 2008 in the 4um free pick'em pool...
You're a liar here. I know five who have you on Bozo and I know there are more.
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Since I already explained although I just started using bozo and have more than 10 on bozo, that means I'll be off then. There are 60-80 unique posters a day on this forum, 14 didn't seem that many when it allowed me to have a pleasant experience. Bye.
"To destroy a people you must first sever their roots." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Bye. And thus the people who pushed you into bozoing them get what they want.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
anyone who would fall for a gun grabber's promise of less war is deluded. THE ONLY REASON ANY POLITICAN EVER WANTS TO DISARM ANYONE, IS TO ULTIMATELY KILL THEM. no one sincerely for peace would ever try to oppress man's natural right, IMO. applauding...i soooo concur!
Well, shows what differences people have when they hop on a board. Not to be derogatory, but if you want a pleasant experience, you gotta do something else. In a discussion forum, if there's no heat or conflict, it's boring. You shouldn't leave.
Take care. 4um's loss is the DUmpster's gain...
Now you went and made me try that. I can't see any of my posts. lol
Tagline space for rent.
Make it three. Are you insane?
Seems that people got some wires seriously crossed or something. I saw a thread--maybe the one you pulled these quotes from?--where Neil posed a hypothetical question about whether you would kill an innocent child if, by doing so, you could protect your right to keep and bear arms. On its face it sounds like a question someone might ask who has maybe had a bit much to drink. I wouldn't kill an innocent child but, assuming I only had to think of myself and not worry about others around me, I wouldn't hesitate to blow any adult away who came to take it from me. I ask for nothing more from the government than to be left alone and don't think that is too much to ask. By that same token I could never harm an innocent person who had not harmed me. Neil, could you please elaborate a bit on what would cause you to ask such a question? It seemed out of character to me.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It's your site and your rules but I think you've made a mistake in doing this Christine. While I believe the use of the bozo filter is chickenshit, I also think it allows those participating in this online community to practice a bit of freedom of association. If they do not want to associate with a particular person, they shouldn't have to. If they want to live in a bubble where the only replies they ever hear are the ones they agree with, then, it shouldn't be anyone else's business, although I would question why they are here in the first place. But like I said, your house, your rules.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
Hey, you got that right! Even the “better half” noted that “we would feel proud to trot her out in front of the world’s diplomatic corps!
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MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." Yeah, a virtual WASP Blonde Ice Goddess, coiffed, poised, impeccably dressed with a classy sense of style and blonde. Wonder if she engaged in any photographic indiscretions when she was younger. Compare to Bill and Michelle, and I tell ya, they may not admit it, but many voters will gravitate to her, and not only men, women too.
LOL! Post of the day... In your absurd hypothetical, given an either/or (do we keep the 2nd or not) yes, I'd be forced to kill an innocent girl. The alternative, to me, would be a nation of 300 million gun less slaves.
#332. To: Jethro Tull (#274)
*Our* 2nd applies to our NATIONAL INTEREST.
#333. To: ALL (#265)
#334. To: christine (#333)
he total number of slots is now 10 rather than 20.
#335. To: christine (#275)
JT was the only one who answered as if he were FORCED to choose between the life of one child and millions of other men, women, and children. that certainly doesn't mean that his decision was for his own personal interests.
#336. To: Artisan (#330)
I think the militia wouldnt give a shit about your land,
#337. To: all (#335)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#338. To: Big Meanie, Badeye (#316)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#339. To: christine (#333)
(Edited)
#340. To: FOH (#326)
"Let's start a pool for the date that MUD will tell us we need to do the right thing and vote against the worst evil...endorsing McNuts. I'll start, Halloween Day 2008."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#341. To: ... (#322)
TripleDot, you are a whiner...
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#342. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#324)
There are only one or two people here who said they would vote for McCain …
#343. To: christine, penguinite (#0)
#344. To: karelian (#342)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#345. To: karelian (#342)
#346. To: Mudboy Slim (#344)
I've yet to say I definitely WON'T vote for McCain...it's waaay too early...MUD
#347. To: Mudboy Slim (#341)
Nope...three bozos total...MUD
#348. To: christine (#333)
I've incorporated my compromise solution to the bozo filter debate. The total number of slots is now 10 rather than 20. I hope that's a decision that everyone can live with, but if not, I understand.
#349. To: robin (#348)
Bye.
#350. To: Artisan (#297)
it's a nonsensical discussion. we dont have to nor should we give up our basic human right of self defense in promise of ''world peace''. what bullshit.
#351. To: robin (#348)
a pleasant experience
#352. To: robin (#348)
Bye.
#353. To: tom007 (#343)
This thread's got me so pissed off, I decided to bozo myself.
#354. To: karelian (#342)
There are only one or two people here who said they would vote for McCain …
#355. To: angle, Neil McIver (#261)
Here's the thread that changed the way I viewed Neil. It's not just one post. It was post after post when regular people who like Neil were questioning his statements. It just got bizarre.
Lord Acton
#356. To: robin, christine (#348)
I've incorporated my compromise solution to the bozo filter debate. The total number of slots is now 10 rather than 20. I hope that's a decision that everyone can live with, but if not, I understand.
#357. To: swarthyguy (#345)
Why? Cindy McCain, she looks like she was born for the WhiteHouse.
#358. To: robin (#348)
Bye.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#359. To: karelian (#357)
#360. To: tom007 (#343)
This thread's got me so pissed off, I decided to bozo myself.
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#361. To: swarthyguy (#345)
Why? Cindy McCain, she looks like she was born for the WhiteHouse. And how cool is it for a guy to marry the hot heiress of a BEER distributor? Yeah, those are all great reasons to vote for somebody. No wonder we're stuck with crooks and idiots in the WH each time around.
Hell, I'll vote for him, but being from MA, it's a throwaway vote anyway.
#362. To: robin (#348)
Bye. I don't fully understand why the bozos have to be limited. If you don't want to talk to someone, why should you be forced to do so? And if someone doesn't want to be bozo'd, then let them act like a human being.
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#363. To: karelian (#342)
Why would you vote for four more years of Bush?
#364. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#361)
You got any better, after all, Americans have put Bush in twice because despite being a teetotaller, more Americans felt more comfortable having a beer with him as opposed to Gore or Kerry. You got your criteria, I got mine, promises of changing the world and the way Washington does business are flowery campaign rhetoric. The system puts Obama in such a sweet spot, why first of all, does he wish to change it anyway, when he's been the beneficiary of it to the extent that Obama, a one term Senator with barely a couple of years in the Senate gets to compete for the highest political office in the land.
#365. To: swarthyguy (#364)
Sorry, but I can't think of a more stupid reason to vote for somebody. You may as well vote for a candidate who's taller or a better dresser. And I'm not supporting Obama -the best I can do is a third party protest vote, which is a hell of a lot better than an endorsement of somebody whose views I despise. I can't understand why anyone who claims to be against the welfare and warfare state would support either McCain or Obama.
Americans have put Bush in twice because despite being a teetotaller, more Americans felt more comfortable having a beer with him as opposed to Gore or Kerry
#366. To: TwentyTwelve (#354)
Well, I was shot in the head in Viet Nam! VA said I was OK, but what do they know.
Are you insane?
#367. To: karelian (#366)
Never trust the VA.
Well, I was shot in the head in Viet Nam! VA said I was OK, but what do they know.
#368. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#365)
And you're criticising me for frivolity in my voting criteria? Some know nothing numbnut party that can't even win local election spots and wants to be a Presidential party? The best third party performers, Perot and John Anderson acted like nothing more than spoilers ultimately.
a third party protest vote
#369. To: swarthyguy (#368) (Edited)
The "spoilers" business is spin from the Dems and GOP. They like to pretend that they own votes, and that if third party candidates weren't there, they'd get the votes that "belong" to them. Fact is, most third party voters would rather stay home than vote for Bush/Gore, Bush/Kerry, or McHillObama. And yes, voting on "who you'd rather have a beer with" is pretty frivolous. Especially when Bush's cowboy/regular guy image is as phony as everything else he says. He's your typical spoiled, rich frat brat, just a bit slower than the rest. I have to give his handlers credit for the good PR job, though, it sure fooled a lot of people.
#370. To: Pinguinite (#332)
Neal, I no longer vote *because* I don't trust promises by politicians. Where in god's holy name are you going with this?
Would you vote for someone for president who promised to bomb the nation of Iran if he also promised to secure the national interests of the USA by restoring the 2A?
#371. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#369)
But my bigger point is that voters vote on a variety of criteria, not necessarily on the high minded analysis that many may think. Comfort level with the candidate is key in America, and any candidate who doesn't provide that usually doesn't win. As far as spoiler being spin, I'll concede that, but it doesn't detract from my point that no matter how talented the individual, going national without institutional support only carries you so far.
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