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Title: Attention 4um Members
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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Views: 18544
Comments: 655

I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else?

When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.

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#208. To: christine, all (#0)

I don't even recognize the place anymore.

You have disruptors here.

The bozo use is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. It allows freedom of association. I use the filter to make the latest comment pages useable for me. Like for example, in the morning, Kamala posts lots and lots of informative threads. They aren't breaking news or necessarily news I want to read right then, so I filter them out. I ban from my view the proven stupid and spammers and disruptors and those who get their panties in a knot over Obama. I even banned cynicom once or twice because he made me want to pull my hair out.

Mudboy Slim and VRWC are the same disruptors here that they were in the other forums. FOH is a disruptor as well. And there are operatives. They're more difficult to weed out. People can filter them or not.

People should know that Private Mails are not secure. It sure was distressing to see Neil (Webmaster) jump in on that one thread accusing people who weren't supporting Obama to be akin to murderers. And he was uncharacteristically rude. Who knows if it's Neil or not or where he's really coming from?

So yeah, you have problems here. Banning the obvious trolls is entirely appropriate. What seems to be happening is a hijacking of the forum by Obamaphiles and operatives using the filter to limit their discussion group. But what harm does that do unless there's lots of 'em? No real harm...I mean how many times can you post rah-rah Obama?

If the others like Jethro Tull and peppa would use some restraint from baiting them and keeping those threads alive, some of the crap would die down. People here are intelligent enough to see who's who and what their agenda is.

I suggest to do nothing but the bare minimum. The trolls are showing themselves and those paying attention can adjust accordingly.

angle  posted on  2008-05-05   8:32:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

People should know that Private Mails are not secure. It sure was distressing to see Neil (Webmaster) jump in on that one thread accusing people who weren't supporting Obama to be akin to murderers. And he was uncharacteristically rude. Who knows if it's Neil or not or where he's really coming from?

Neil, this is the first I have heard of this (and of course I haven't read every thread that has been posted here). Is it true that you accused people who don't support Obama--which most certainly includes me but then I don't support ANY statist whore as anyone who knows me already knows--to be akin to murderers? I find that pretty hard to believe and if you said that I would like to hear your explanation. As I said in the only other post I have made to this thread I consider you a friend and that is why I find it hard to believe that you would even think such a thing, let alone post it.

My own personal disclaimer: I see some people here who don't seem to like each other for one reason or another and it is distressing to me because I like all of them. For instance, I like Peppa, FOH and Neil. I think they are all good people. But because I like all of them doesn't mean they all have to like each other. I won't be like Rodney King and ask if we can't all just get along because I know that, human nature being what it is, that we probably all can't "just get along." But all of you who don't like the others so much, or to put another way, if your dislike is so intense, the bozo filter is a good option. You don't have to see what someone has said if you don't like them and it may make your time here more enjoyable.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-05   10:32:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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#44. To: RickyJ (#41) Of the 3, I prefer Obama take it. The USA is screwed no matter which of the 3 wins. Given that, it makes sense to prefer the one that is least likely to start WWIII and otherwise end the imperialism. I know its probable that Obama won't bring all the troops home, but Cain will increase imperialism and bombing.

As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

Again, since the USA is gonna die anyway no matter which of the 3 it is, the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be. I won't vote for Obama as it's much more beneficial such as it is to vote for Ron Paul or Bob Barr, but that's my position and preference.

Pinguinite posted on 2008-04-15 14:40:51 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply

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#50. To: Pinguinite (#44)

For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
At the expense? How do you figure?

the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be

Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.

angle posted on 2008-04-15 15:04:45 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply

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#56. To: angle, (#50)

Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.

If you believe in your moral right to preserve your legal right to a firearm surpasses the rights of others to live, then guess what....

YOU are no different than the NWO elite!!!

Because that's exactly what they say. So maybe you and JT can put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Pinguinite posted on 2008-04-15 15:34:23 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply

Here's the thread that changed the way I viewed Neil. It's not just one post. It was post after post when regular people who like Neil were questioning his statements. It just got bizarre.

angle  posted on  2008-05-05   12:51:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-05   13:30:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That's what reasoned debate is supposed to be about.

I'm not so sure.

Suppose you have a President that is such a known loser that even honest Republicans refuse to support him. And suppose you have a candidate that vows to continue the policies of the current failed President.

Next suppose that someone makes the reasonable statement that an unknown Obama is much less scary than four more years of certain Bush.

What can you do to counter this reasonable statement and to boost a candidate that even you don't support? You can't rationally refute the statement and you can't say anything good about McCain without drawing hoots from world at large.

Answer: You try to intimidate the person making the statement into silence.

(1) You try being rude and obnoxious hoping the person will be intimidated into silence.

(2) If the person bozos you for being rude and obnoxious, you whine about the bozo function and pester Christine to remove it.

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ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-05   14:45:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, I was just having fun.

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ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-05   15:00:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not a staunch supporter of Obama by any means. I've come to the conclusion that he's probably the least of the 3 evils currently "in the running"; and that's about the best I can say for him.

That's the way I feel. He's the best choice of the three choices we are offered, and not necessarily the best overall candidate. And if that makes me an "Obama Worshiper" then so be it.

Mostly I'm tired of the same old wild eyed, spittle dripping, right wing hysteria in lieu of rational discussion of the Obama candidacy. It harks back to the days of the breathless reports of Bill Clinton having sex with aliens from Venus at the Mena airport - anything to rile up the bitter goobers out in the trailer park.

What I find confusing is people who claim there isn't a dimes worth of difference between the three candidates and who then wear themselves out attacking Obama 24/7. And who destroy their reputations trying to silence people who want to hold a rational discussion on the guy.

If it's true that there isn't a dimes worth of difference between the three, why should they give a rats ass who wins? But their actions prove that they obviously do care who wins.

...  posted on  2008-05-05   15:25:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What I find confusing is people who claim there isn't a dimes worth of difference between the three candidates and who then wear themselves out attacking Obama 24/7. And who destroy their reputations trying to silence people who want to hold a rational discussion on the guy.

That's probably just because they're reacting against all of the pro-Obama material on the forum. There are only one or two people here who said they would vote for McCain, but it seems like half the people at the 4um are Obama supporters. And some of these don't just use the "lesser evil" argument, they seem to be in love with the guy.

So naturally there are more posts, pro and con, about Obama than the other candidates. There aren't too many McCain supporters to spar with, or BS about what a wonderful guy Mad Mac is to rebut, which I guess is a good thing.

Speaking for myself, I spend about the same amount of time posting information about why McCain is unfit to be President as Obama. The only reason I don't have as much to say about Hillary is that she's not likely to be in the general election.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-05   15:32:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There are only one or two people here who said they would vote for McCain …

Make it three.

karelian  posted on  2008-05-05   16:25:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Hell, I'll vote for him, but being from MA, it's a throwaway vote anyway.

Why? Cindy McCain, she looks like she was born for the WhiteHouse.

And how cool is it for a guy to marry the hot heiress of a BEER distributor?

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-05-05   16:57:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Hell, I'll vote for him, but being from MA, it's a throwaway vote anyway.

Why? Cindy McCain, she looks like she was born for the WhiteHouse.

And how cool is it for a guy to marry the hot heiress of a BEER distributor?

Yeah, those are all great reasons to vote for somebody. No wonder we're stuck with crooks and idiots in the WH each time around.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-05   17:36:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You got any better, after all, Americans have put Bush in twice because despite being a teetotaller, more Americans felt more comfortable having a beer with him as opposed to Gore or Kerry.

You got your criteria, I got mine, promises of changing the world and the way Washington does business are flowery campaign rhetoric.

The system puts Obama in such a sweet spot, why first of all, does he wish to change it anyway, when he's been the beneficiary of it to the extent that Obama, a one term Senator with barely a couple of years in the Senate gets to compete for the highest political office in the land.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-05-05   17:42:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Americans have put Bush in twice because despite being a teetotaller, more Americans felt more comfortable having a beer with him as opposed to Gore or Kerry

Sorry, but I can't think of a more stupid reason to vote for somebody. You may as well vote for a candidate who's taller or a better dresser.

And I'm not supporting Obama -the best I can do is a third party protest vote, which is a hell of a lot better than an endorsement of somebody whose views I despise. I can't understand why anyone who claims to be against the welfare and warfare state would support either McCain or Obama.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-05   17:48:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

a third party protest vote

And you're criticising me for frivolity in my voting criteria?

Some know nothing numbnut party that can't even win local election spots and wants to be a Presidential party?

The best third party performers, Perot and John Anderson acted like nothing more than spoilers ultimately.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-05-05   17:51:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The "spoilers" business is spin from the Dems and GOP. They like to pretend that they own votes, and that if third party candidates weren't there, they'd get the votes that "belong" to them. Fact is, most third party voters would rather stay home than vote for Bush/Gore, Bush/Kerry, or McHillObama.

And yes, voting on "who you'd rather have a beer with" is pretty frivolous. Especially when Bush's cowboy/regular guy image is as phony as everything else he says. He's your typical spoiled, rich frat brat, just a bit slower than the rest. I have to give his handlers credit for the good PR job, though, it sure fooled a lot of people.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-05   17:55:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But my bigger point is that voters vote on a variety of criteria, not necessarily on the high minded analysis that many may think.

Comfort level with the candidate is key in America, and any candidate who doesn't provide that usually doesn't win.

As far as spoiler being spin, I'll concede that, but it doesn't detract from my point that no matter how talented the individual, going national without institutional support only carries you so far.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-05-05   18:01:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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