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Published: May 4, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else? When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.
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#363. To: karelian (#342)
Why would you vote for four more years of Bush?
You got any better, after all, Americans have put Bush in twice because despite being a teetotaller, more Americans felt more comfortable having a beer with him as opposed to Gore or Kerry. You got your criteria, I got mine, promises of changing the world and the way Washington does business are flowery campaign rhetoric. The system puts Obama in such a sweet spot, why first of all, does he wish to change it anyway, when he's been the beneficiary of it to the extent that Obama, a one term Senator with barely a couple of years in the Senate gets to compete for the highest political office in the land.
Sorry, but I can't think of a more stupid reason to vote for somebody. You may as well vote for a candidate who's taller or a better dresser. And I'm not supporting Obama -the best I can do is a third party protest vote, which is a hell of a lot better than an endorsement of somebody whose views I despise. I can't understand why anyone who claims to be against the welfare and warfare state would support either McCain or Obama.
Well, I was shot in the head in Viet Nam! VA said I was OK, but what do they know.
Never trust the VA.
And you're criticising me for frivolity in my voting criteria? Some know nothing numbnut party that can't even win local election spots and wants to be a Presidential party? The best third party performers, Perot and John Anderson acted like nothing more than spoilers ultimately.
The "spoilers" business is spin from the Dems and GOP. They like to pretend that they own votes, and that if third party candidates weren't there, they'd get the votes that "belong" to them. Fact is, most third party voters would rather stay home than vote for Bush/Gore, Bush/Kerry, or McHillObama. And yes, voting on "who you'd rather have a beer with" is pretty frivolous. Especially when Bush's cowboy/regular guy image is as phony as everything else he says. He's your typical spoiled, rich frat brat, just a bit slower than the rest. I have to give his handlers credit for the good PR job, though, it sure fooled a lot of people.
Neal, I no longer vote *because* I don't trust promises by politicians. Where in god's holy name are you going with this?
But my bigger point is that voters vote on a variety of criteria, not necessarily on the high minded analysis that many may think. Comfort level with the candidate is key in America, and any candidate who doesn't provide that usually doesn't win. As far as spoiler being spin, I'll concede that, but it doesn't detract from my point that no matter how talented the individual, going national without institutional support only carries you so far.
Inadvertent trepanning. Gotta look at the bright side, it may have made you terminally immune to politician's promises. No faith, no disappointment.
I thought it sounded so far out of character for you to suggest that anyone who didn't vote for some statist was somehow on the same par with murderers. Thanks for your post clearing that up.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Make it three. Are you insane? Make it four. I just came back from the McCain HQ here in my Hummer with yellow ribbons on it and gave the campaign TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS in twenties and intend to do it tomorrow and every day after that until he wins. Our future is at stake and we need a man who knows what the Muslime World understands and respects - Violence and Pain. They are happy to be in Club Gitmo, there they get better attention than they ever did in their pig stys in Iraq. The Iraqi people are grateful we are in Iraq to liberate them. Did you know I made a huge amount of moola from my Halliburton stocks? Its true I bought thousands of shares at the Jan18 bottom and sold at the April 22 top. I do this all the time. All I see here is poor, poor peaceniks. Gotta go, my butler says its time for my pedicure, and I have Richard Perle waiting on the phone, (they like to run policy change by me to see what I think), they all really love me.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out you closet commie.
Mark If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
Glad you got a Hummer. Did you give it to yourself as a gift? I am not much of a McCain guy. Personally, I am hoping Bush refuses to step down and just remains in office as President for life.
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What do you suspect would lead the moron to believe that it is any of his business what guns other people have or don't have? If he doesn't want any guns he shouldn't have any and if he doesn't like them at all then the people who guard the goofy eff shouldn't have any either. I am so tired of politicians and people like Rosie O'Donnell who think that peons shouldn't have any weapons but it is fine for people to protect them with those evil guns.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I hope you lose every penny of your $10,000. You must really hate America.
McKook can't even ties his shoes. What a joke.
I believe this guy had his property condemned and he was forced to vacate. Ray Kirkus Mr Flatt, This is formal notice and request: I am calling on the Indiana Militia to assist and restore constitutional government in the Laporte County Indiana Courts and within the Sheriff's office. You have seen the video. NOW this kangaroo court moves forward while the previous order is still under appeal and then my jury demand is denied!! These clowns are OUT OF CONTROL AND HAVE RUN AMOK! The property has been ordered vacated by Judge Baldoni based on absolutely "no evidence" and no facts; no water or soil samples and a 5 minute inspection which was ordered unlawfully and still under appeal. all based on a dry rotted 4" pvc pipe that discharges nothing but is simply a drain tile. The appeal fact alone prevents both the court and the health dept from moving forward. However at the last hearing, Baldoni denied me a jury trial and proceeded summarily anyway, then ordered my son out of his home by midnight. Enough is enough, this is a formal call calling on your organization and requesting its assistance to restore the Indiana Constitution and arrest Judge Baldoni for sedition and treason and to arrest Sheriff Arnold for failure in performing his duties while viewing an offence in his presence and doing nothing. Where is your line William, or do you keep redrawing it as these criminals do more and more damage to the people of Indiana? If you are not the one in charge, please forward this email to the ones who are. THIS IS AN SOS and A FORMAL REQEUST OF THE INDIANA MILITIA TO DEFEND THE PEOPLES RIGHTS AS SECURED BY THE INDIANA AND FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONS IN LIBERTY, IF we do not hang together on these issues, then we will most assuredly hang seperately.... Ben Franklin IN LIBERTY, IF we do not hang together on these issues, then we will most assuredly hang seperately.... Ben Franklin His reading of the 4th differs from that interpretation of the Supreme Court on what constitutes an unreasonable search. http://laws.findlaw.com/us/359/360.html FRANK v. MARYLAND. A Baltimore City health inspector seeking the source of a rat infestation discovered evidence of such an infestation in the rear of appellant's home, and, having no search warrant, requested appellant's permission to inspect his basement in the day time. For refusing such permission, appellant was convicted and fined for a violation of 120 of Art. 12 of the Baltimore City Code, which provides that, "Whenever the Commissioner of Health shall have cause to suspect that a nuisance exists in any house, cellar or enclosure, he may demand entry therein in the day time, and if the owner or occupier shall refuse or delay to open the same and admit a free examination, he shall forfeit and pay for every such refusal the sum of Twenty Dollars." Held: Section 120 is valid, and appellant's conviction for resisting an inspection of his house without a warrant did not violate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Pp. 361-373. Affirmed. Benjamin Lipsitz argued the cause and filed a brief for appellant. C. Ferdinand Sybert, Attorney General of Maryland, and James H. Norris, Jr., Special Assistant Attorney General, argued the cause for appellee. With them on the brief were Hugo A. Ricciuti and W. Thomas Gisriel. A brief urging affirmance was filed for the Member Municipalities of the National Institute of Municipal Law Officers, as amici curiae, by Joe W. Anderson, Roger Arnebergh, John C. Banks, Alexander G. Brown, Nathaniel H. Goldstick, William N. Gurtman, Claude V. Jones, Ralph S. Locher, Walter J. Mattison, John C. Melaniphy, Barnett I. Shur, Charles H. Tenney, Charles S. Rhyne, Brice W. Rhyne and S. White Rhyne, Jr. [359 U.S. 360, 361] MR. JUSTICE FRANKFURTER delivered the opinion of the Court. Acting on a complaint from a resident of the 4300 block of Reisterstown Road, Baltimore, Maryland, that there were rats in her basement, Gentry, an inspector of the Baltimore City Health Department, began an inspection of the houses in the vicinity looking for the source of the rats. In the middle of the afternoon of February 27, 1958, Gentry knocked on the door of appellant's detached frame home at 4335 Reisterstown Road. After receiving no response he proceeded to inspect the area outside the house. This inspection revealed that the house was in an "extreme state of decay," and that in the rear of the house there was a pile later identified as "rodent feces mixed with straw and trash and debris to approximately half a ton." During this inspection appellant came around the side of the house and asked Gentry to explain his presence. Gentry responded that he had evidence of rodent infestation and asked appellant for permission to inspect the basement area. Appellant refused. At no time did Gentry have a warrant authorizing him to enter. The next forenoon Gentry, in the company of two police officers, returned to appellant's house. After receiving no response to his knock, he reinspected the exterior of the premises. He then swore out a warrant for appellant's arrest alleging a violation of 120 of Art. 12 of the Baltimore City Code. That section provides: The Health Code of the City of Baltimore, of which 120 is an important part, deals with many of the multiform aspects of hygiene in modern urban areas. A vital portion concerns the hygiene of housing. Typical of the content and method of enforcing its provisions is the section requiring that "[e]very dwelling and every part thereof shall be kept clean and free from any accumulation of dirt, filth, rubbish, garbage or similar matter, and shall be kept free from vermin or rodent infestation." Baltimore City Code, Art. 12, 112. If the occupant of a building fails to meet this standard, he is notified by the Commissioner of Health to abate the substandard conditions. 1 Failure to remove these hazards to community health gives rise to criminal prosecution. Ibid. The attempted inspection of appellant's home was merely to ascertain the existence of evils to be corrected upon due notification or, in default of such correction, to be made the basis of punishment. We have said that "[t]he security of one's privacy against arbitrary intrusion by the police" is fundamental to a free society and as such protected by the Fourteenth [359 U.S. 360, 363] Amendment. Wolf v. Colorado, 338 U.S. 25, 27 . Application of the broad restraints of due process compels inquiry into the nature of the demand being made upon individual freedom in a particular context and the justification of social need on which the demand rests. The history of the constitutional protection against official invasion of the citizen's home makes explicit the human concerns which it was meant to respect. In years prior to the Revolution leading voices in England and the Colonies protested against the ransacking by Crown officers of the homes of citizens in search of evidence of crime or of illegally imported goods. The vivid memory by the newly independent Americans of these abuses produced the Fourth Amendment as a safeguard against such arbitrary official action by officers of the new Union, as like provisions had already found their way into State Constitutions. In 1765, in England, what is properly called the great case of Entick v. Carrington, 19 Howell's State Trials, col. 1029, announced the principle of English law which became part of the Bill of Rights and whose basic protection has become imbedded in the concept of due process of law. It was there decided that English law did not allow officers of the Crown to break into a citizen's home, under cover of a general executive warrant, to search for evidence of the utterance of libel. Among the reasons given for that decision were these: Inspection without a warrant, as an adjunct to a regulatory scheme for the general welfare of the community and not as a means of enforcing the criminal law, has antecedents deep in our history. * * * Affirmed.
Hey, Big Meanie. Good to cybersee you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Make it three. Are you insane? Make it four. Which for me is no choice at all.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
Never have, never will.
"The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern states." Charles Dickens, 1862
Make it three. Are you insane? Make it four. I am not much of a McCain guy. Personally, I am hoping Bush refuses to step down and just remains in office as President for life. Actually Jack Abramoff gave it to me for supporting the Indian Tribal gambling policies. As for Bush - that's an wonderful and exciting thought!! You have made my day just a little happier, Thank You so much my good friend, BAC.
You must really hate America. It would make no difference to lose the money. With my sophisticated hedge fund managers, $10,000 is in the daily "noise Level". No I don't hate America, but I do support the troops in finding Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq and hope that, if Hillary goes get to be president, she keeps her promise to "obliterate" the total nation of Iran, as their military is an serious threat to the lives of all freedom loving Americans, of which only a few post here. Its the only good idea she ever had.
My goodness I forgot to wear my pin.
Obama's is bigger
If I recall correctly, a certain dog said this would happen. When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. That's something anyone over 40 should be able to relate to. As in large things, so in the small. Celebrate Diversity!
Jazmyn Singleton, a black Duke senior agrees. After living in a predominantly white dorm freshman year, she lives with five African-American women in an all-black dormitory. “Both communities tend to be very judgmental,” says Ms. Singleton, ruefully. “There is pressure to be black. The black community can be harsh. People will say there are 600 blacks on campus but only two-thirds are ‘black’ because you can’t count blacks who hang out with white people.”
No, I am bigger than him in every way. He's the type of guy that the government security needs to do something. I think he represents a threat to our liberties. He is a jew hater. America would be destroyed if he, God forbid, were to be elected. I'm interrupting this flame-fest to bring all of you this important announcement: "The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern states." Charles Dickens, 1862
BRAVO...loud applause!!
Badeye! I can't help it if my flag pin is small. It costs a lot of money to buy the big ones. only republicans can afford that. maybe you could help us poor people by giving us large flag pins too!!
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
This looks like more fun: Tagline space for rent.
The only thing that has always filled me with dread is the mere thought of having to fight the amphibian trans-oceanic camel corps. The old Soviet Union with her thousands of submarine launched MIRVs pale in comparison. Just imagine the devastation a non-existent nuclear devise without a delivery system can do. It will, however, cause 6 M. Israelis to soil their tasseled undies, but that’s not our problem.
I believe that the Russians still have more nuclear weapons than we do. and the Chinese are building them. Increasingly the American position in this world is growing difficult, given all the aggression, the way our leadership is headed and how blind are people are in the situation.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Yeah, and with rich, snotty, self-absorbed bitch smeared all over her. Have you ever heard her say two words? Except maybe something in Johnnie's ear like "don't get to close him, he's not our kind".
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
No then you might get confused with the loyal Americans who value freedom. Besides us few rich need a surplus of poor to do our bidding.
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#364. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#361)
#365. To: swarthyguy (#364)
Americans have put Bush in twice because despite being a teetotaller, more Americans felt more comfortable having a beer with him as opposed to Gore or Kerry
#366. To: TwentyTwelve (#354)
Are you insane?
#367. To: karelian (#366)
Well, I was shot in the head in Viet Nam! VA said I was OK, but what do they know.
#368. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#365)
a third party protest vote
#369. To: swarthyguy (#368)
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#370. To: Pinguinite (#332)
Would you vote for someone for president who promised to bomb the nation of Iran if he also promised to secure the national interests of the USA by restoring the 2A?
#371. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#369)
#372. To: karelian (#366)
#373. To: Pinguinite (#269)
Lord Acton
#374. To: TwentyTwelve, robin, red jones, swarthyguy, jethro Tull, lodwick (#354)
There are only one or two people here who said they would vote for McCain …
#375. To: robin (#348)
#376. To: BIGBUCKS_BADEYE (#374)
I just came back from the McCain HQ here in my Hummer
#377. To: aristeides (#288)
Obama wants to limit gun rights more than some people here would like
Lord Acton
#378. To: BIGBUCKS_BADEYE (#374)
I just came back from the McCain HQ here in my Hummer with yellow ribbons on it and gave the campaign TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS in twenties and intend to do it tomorrow and every day after that until he wins.
#379. To: BIGBUCKS_BADEYE (#374)
Our future is at stake and we need a man who knows what the Muslime World understands
#380. To: BIGBUCKS_BADEYE (#374)
Our future is at stake and we need a man who knows what the Muslime World understands and respects - Violence and Pain.
#381. To: Artisan, Pinguinite, ghostdogtxn (#289)
would you say defending your land against such 'benevolent' intruders is wrong? this video is amazing.
http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/07-04-06/discussion.cgi.77.html
CALLING ON THE INDIANA MILITIA
Sun Jul 2, 2006 10:17
Ray Kirkus
Ray Kirkus U.S. Supreme Court
FRANK v. MARYLAND, 359 U.S. 360 (1959)
359 U.S. 360
APPEAL FROM THE CRIMINAL COURT OF BALTIMORE, MARYLAND.
No. 278.
Argued March 5, 1959.
Decided May 4, 1959. "Whenever the Commissioner of Health shall have cause to suspect that a nuisance exists in any house, cellar or enclosure, he may demand entry therein in the day time, and if the owner or occupier shall refuse or delay to open the same and admit a free examination, he shall forfeit and pay for every such refusal the sum of Twenty Dollars." [359 U.S. 360, 362]
Appellant was arrested on March 5, and the next day was found guilty of the offense alleged in the warrant by a Police Justice for the Northern District of Baltimore and fined twenty dollars. On appeal, the Criminal Court of Baltimore, in a de novo proceeding, also found appellant guilty. The Maryland Court of Appeals denied certiorari. The case came here under a challenge, 28 U.S.C. 1257 (2), to the validity of 120 to determine whether appellant's conviction for resisting an inspection of his house without a warrant was obtained in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment. "It is very certain, that the law obligeth no man to accuse himself; because the necessary means of compelling self-accusation, falling upon the innocent as well as the guilty, would be both cruel and unjust; and it should seem, that search for evidence is disallowed upon the same principle. There too the innocent would be confounded with the guilty." Id., at col. 1073. [359 U.S. 360, 364]
These were not novel pronouncements to the colonists. A few years earlier, in Boston, revenue officers had been authorized to use Writs of Assistance, empowering them to search suspected places, including private houses, for smuggled goods. In 1761 the validity of the use of the Writs was contested in the historic proceedings in Boston. James Otis attacked the Writ of Assistance because its use placed "the liberty of every man in the hands of every petty officer." 2 His powerful argument so impressed itself first on his audience and later on the people of all the Colonies that President Adams was in retrospect moved to say that "American Independence was then and there born." 3 Many years later this Court, in Boyd v. United States, 116 U.S. 616 , carefully reviewed this history and pointed out, as did Lord Camden in Entick v. Carrington, that ". . . the 'unreasonable searches and seizures' condemned in the Fourth Amendment are almost always made for the purpose of compelling a man to give [359 U.S. 360, 365] evidence against himself, which in criminal cases is condemned in the Fifth Amendment; and compelling a man 'in a criminal case to be a witness against himself,' which is condemned in the Fifth Amendment, throws light on the question as to what is an `unreasonable search and seizure' within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment." 116 U.S., at 633 .
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#382. To: Big Meanie (#316)
Lord Acton
#383. To: BIGBUCKS_BADEYE, FOH (#374)
There are only one or two people here who said they would vote for McCain …
#384. To: ... (#328)
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IMO, the choice is between McCain and Obama.
#385. To: christine (#0)
...everyone is bozo'ing everyone else?
#386. To: BIGBUCKS_BADEYE, FOH (#374)
There are only one or two people here who said they would vote for McCain …
#387. To: BAC (#376)
Glad you got a Hummer. Did you give it to yourself as a gift?
#388. To: TwentyTwelve (#378)
I hope you lose every penny of your $10,000.
#389. To: All (#388)
#390. To: BIGBUCKS_BADEYE (#389)
#391. To: BIGBUCKS_BADEYE (#389)
#392. To: christine, Jethro Tull (#0)
I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum.
#393. To: BIGBUCKS_BADEYE (#389)
My goodness I forgot to wear my pin.
#394. To: Jethro Tull (#391)
Obama's is bigger
#395. To: All (#0)
#396. To: X-15 (#395)
important announcement
#397. To: BIGBUCKS_BADEYE (#394)
#398. To: X-15 (#395)
#399. To: BIGBUCKS_BADEYE (#388)
[…] nation of Iran, as their military is an serious threat to the lives of all freedom loving Americans …
#400. To: karelian (#399)
The old Soviet Union with her thousands of submarine launched MIRVs pale in comparison.
#401. To: BIGBUCKS_BADEYE (#394)
#402. To: swarthyguy (#359)
Yeah, a virtual WASP Blonde Ice Goddess, coiffed, poised, impeccably dressed with a classy sense of style and blonde.
#403. To: Red Jones (#397)
only republicans can afford that. maybe you could help us poor people by giving us large flag pins too!!
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