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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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Views: 19071
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I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else? When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.
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#422. To: robin, cristine (#348)
Don't run off robin. I feel your pain, but among several things wrong with cristine's panicking is that you can't tell without going to a lot of trouble if whether all your bozo's are still active posters. I can tell that 4 or 5 of mine still are because I see them being replied to. But there's another handful that I think may have quit posting, but can't tell for sure. Just suggestions, but I'm watching a lot more Comedy Channel and less news/talk, and trying to laugh at potential bozos .... that or just plain ignore them.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
I made the casual statement that safeguarding the 2A at the "expense of innocent lives" was not morally acceptable. For some reason, a few people here took wild exception to this, *apparently* advocating that murdering innocent people was an acceptable cost to getting some pro-2A laws passed. Assuming these people weren't really that crazy, I started a Hypothetical Quiz thread where I attempted to make my case more vivid, thus the moral choice of actively killing a child vs fulling restoring the 2A. The real life potential for this hypothetical point is whether it is morally acceptable to vote for someone for president who promises to restore the 2A while also promising to start a war with Iran, admitting that it will mean 10's of thousands or 100's of thousands of innocent Iranians killed. Would it be morally acceptable to vote for him? I say no, and apparently in the eyes of a few here, that makes me a liberal gun grabbing nonsensical idiot. All I can say is, if it does, I certainly hope I never encounter any logical and sane pro-2A people like GW Bush in any future encounters.
Damned if I understand your logic, cristine. "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" There are people I wouldn't let in my door, why should I let 'em into my cyberspace? You may be right, robin. I'm thinking about dropping out before christine tears off my epaulets.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
D.Q.
We need a living constitution TT one that can react and accomodate the needs of the jews in the US government.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" You're avoiding the question. Not that I'm surprised, however.
She had 14 people bozo, which constitutes nearly 50% of the active posters, She wanted the option of adding up to 6 more, which christine thought would be run counter to debate and the intent of the forum. It's her home, she pays the rent. Deal.
How can I answer if I don't vote.
Personally, I'm not real enamored with career politicians. We got a little twerp in my town that kicked off his "career" by getting elected to city council when he was about eighteen. No sense mentioning his name, you'll never hear of it, anyhow.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Don't be an idiot, JT. It's a simple hypothetical question about a simple, hypothetical candidate. Would you hypothetically vote for him, or not? It's a "yes" or a "no" question. This is not hard. For most people.
You and the promises of politicians. These bastards are born with defective DNA - they open their mouths and lies tumble out. Your hypothetical is likewise defective. No sane man would accept their promise of no war in exchange for voluntary gun confiscation.
You're loopy.
Mark Nice trade, cristine. robin for Kamala.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Bozo him, dude. You have 10 to work with.
robin for Kamala. If that's how it works, we'd better unload you while we can still fool the market...Kamala's one of my favorite knowledge brokers on 4um !
Is this the 'shoot the girl / disarm America' straw man thingy still ?
He saves me $30 a month. I bagged my Wall St Journal subscription because of his econ news.
He saves me $30 a month. I bagged my Wall St Journal subscription because of his econ news. LOLOL! The guy should get a Christmas card from you once in awhile. I know people that come to 4um specifically to track his financial posts...
Yeah, Neil is giving me the option of either dismembering a live newborn in order to save our 2nd A, or accepting an Obama promise for global peace.
How's that going ?
well, I guess you're in with Ronald Reagan then. he wouldn't answer hypothetical questions from journalists.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Obama is a liar.
Yeah, Neal is giving me the option of either dismembering a live newborn in order to save our 2nd A, or accepting an Obama promise for global peace. Anyone that gives up liberty for "safety", deserves neither, and will get neither.
God is always good!
I find it instructive watching those who believe him (or want desperately to) for whatever reason...
He actually played the media well, other than that, in retrospect, he was AmeriKan business as usual.
How is the Baldwin research going ?
Ben Franklin said something similar, I believe.
Christine, I don't get the logic behind this. I believe that you were complaining that people are arguing in too strong terms, as in trading personal insults. In my view, the 'filter' is a most efficient and elegant way of dealing with people who don't deserve to be heard. It surely beats the 'moderator' banning people or deleting questionable posts. It also reduces tensions rather than exacerbate them. There are individuals who, unable to defend their views, are constantly calling their 'opponents' all kinds of 'names' or attaching supposedly unflattering labels to their names. There may be more than 10 such characters at this site or, as the site grows, their number may increase. Why should everyone be forced to only ban the top 10 when there are 20 or 50 individuals that happen to be annoying. Who, pray tell, is hurt if I (it's a generic 'I') can't stand 14 members and love everybody else? Why should I be forced to endure the nonsense or the crap that these losers are throwing at me (it's a generic 'me') as the price I must pay in order to enjoy my interaction with everyone else? I only have 3 members on 'bozo' and I had zero until a couple of months ago. I don't miss them and, I hope, they don't miss me interacting with them. No one is harmed because I don't want to hear from these worthless losers (others may see them as worthy wise people but they look like worthless, vulgar, boring losers to me). Because I have them on 'filter' I don't need to be aggravated by their remarks and, because they know I have them on 'filter', I assume that they don't bother with personal attacks. No one is hurt and there is less tension and fewer useless personal attacks. To conclude, I think that you should expand the number of possible bozos to infinity, rather than reduce it from 20 to 10.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
How ironic that you should start off this way...
You got me. I am guilty. I shall edit 'frankly' out. :))) Thank you, friend.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
You Marxist Establishment lackeys thought you had Obama4um.com up and running, didn't you? Had it pretty good using 4um to propagandize from, didn't you ??
Not on your best day.
Maybe she should set it to a thousand. Just to be safe.
I haven't had a lot of time to look at him yet. What I have heard of him at Ron Paul forums though sounds really good. I will probably vote for him, maybe even campaign for him after more research. Not that it really matters though, I doubt he will even be on my ballot in GA. The elite are secure knowing only one of their sock puppets will win. If the vote for some reason didn't go their way they would just fix it. So the election show is just that, a show.
God is always good!
There can only be one 'best day' in one's life. Then there is one 'second best' day... and so forth. It's unlikely that today is my best day but, what makes like interesting is that I don't know if I already had my best day.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I like 'infinity'. Infinity is a round number and round is good. 10... is such an arbitrary thing. It's not even a prime.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
At the very least, the process of getting him on your ballot and campaigning for him will serve to awaken a few more people before it's too late to even have choices left...imo
Infinity would be good. Or how about a reverse bozo filter. You pick the people that you can see.
I know someone did. Neil seems to think that Obama is truthful when he says he will not bomb Iran. Why I do not know. Obama was not even truthful about when his parents got married. To me it is clear why Obama has been chosen to run, to cause more racial unrest in this nation. Maybe Neil can't see that being down in Ecuador as easy as we can in the USA.
God is always good!
This would be the Os. The ones who shut down valid debate via personal censorship. You might have a point w/the infinite # of bozos since socialism isn't defensible.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestSince I already explained although I just started using bozo and have more than 10 on bozo, that means I'll be off then. There are 60-80 unique posters a day on this forum, 14 didn't seem that many when it allowed me to have a pleasant experience.
#423. To: James Deffenbach (#355)
Neil, could you please elaborate a bit on what would cause you to ask such a question? It seemed out of character to me.
#424. To: christine, robin (#333)
I've incorporated my compromise solution to the bozo filter debate. The total number of slots is now 10 rather than 20. I hope that's a decision that everyone can live with, but if not, I understand.
#425. To: iconoclast (#424)
You may be right, robin. I'm thinking about dropping out before christine tears off my epaulets.
#426. To: TwentyTwelve (#421)
#427. To: Jethro Tull (#370)
Would you vote for someone for president who promised to bomb the nation of Iran if he also promised to secure the national interests of the USA by restoring the 2A?
Neal, I no longer vote *because* I don't trust promises by politicians. Where in god's holy name are you going with this?
#428. To: iconoclast (#424)
You may be right, robin. I'm thinking about dropping out before christine tears off my epaulets.
#429. To: Pinguinite (#427)
You're avoiding the question.
#430. To: swarthyguy (#364)
The system puts Obama in such a sweet spot, why first of all, does he wish to change it anyway, when he's been the beneficiary of it to the extent that Obama, a one term Senator with barely a couple of years in the Senate gets to compete for the highest political office in the land.
#431. To: Jethro Tull (#429)
How can I answer if I don't vote.
#432. To: Pinguinite (#423)
The real life potential for this hypothetical point is whether it is morally acceptable to vote for someone for president who promises to restore the 2A while also promising to start a war with Iran,
#433. To: Pinguinite (#431)
Don't be an idiot, JT.
#434. To: Kamala, robin, cristine (#375)
Don't let the door hit you on the way out you closet commie.
#435. To: tom007 (#426)
We need a living constitution TT one that can react and accomodate the needs of the jews in the US government.
#436. To: iconoclast (#434)
#437. To: iconoclast, Kamala, christine (#434)
Nice trade, cristine.
#438. To: Pinguinite, Jethro Tull (#431)
Don't be an idiot, JT. It's a simple hypothetical question about a simple, hypothetical candidate. Would you hypothetically vote for him, or not? It's a "yes" or a "no" question. This is not hard. For most people.
#439. To: FOH (#437)
Kamala's one of my favorite knowledge brokers on 4um !
#440. To: Jethro Tull, Kamala (#439)
Kamala's one of my favorite knowledge brokers on 4um !
#441. To: FOH (#438)
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#442. To: Jethro Tull (#441)
Yeah, Neal is giving me the option of either dismembering a live newborn in order to save our 2nd A, or accepting an Obama promise for global peace.
#443. To: Jethro Tull (#441)
#444. To: FOH (#442)
#445. To: Jethro Tull, Pinguinite (#441)
#446. To: Jethro Tull (#444)
Obama is a liar.
#447. To: Red Jones (#443)
#448. To: RickyJ (#445)
#449. To: RickyJ (#445)
#450. To: christine (#333)
(Edited)
I've incorporated my compromise solution to the bozo filter debate. The total number of slots is now 10 rather than 20. I hope that's a decision that everyone can live with, but if not, I understand.
#451. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#450)
Frankly, I don't get the logic behind this.
#452. To: FOH (#451)
#453. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#450)
Why should I be forced to endure the nonsense or the crap that these losers are throwing at me (it's a generic 'me') as the price I must pay in order to enjoy my interaction with everyone else?
#454. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#452)
Thank you, friend.
#455. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#450)
#456. To: FOH (#448)
How is the Baldwin research going ?
#457. To: FOH (#454)
#458. To: Old Friend (#455)
Maybe she should set it to a thousand. Just to be safe.
#459. To: RickyJ (#456)
#460. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#458)
#461. To: Jethro Tull (#449)
Ben Franklin said something similar, I believe.
#462. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#450)
There are individuals who, unable to defend their views
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