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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else? When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.
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#502. To: aristeides (#496)
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Then give them your guns. They'll be so grateful that they promise not to unlawfully do to you what they're unlawfully doing to Iraq. BTW, BO agrees with the expansion of the ME conflict, so why would you be vocally supporting him if that position is "murdering ... thousands of innocent children in Iraq"? He promises "less murdering"? C'mon. Obama responded: “Yes. I think that’s what we need. I think we need more troops there, I think we need to do a better job of reconstruction there. I think we have to be focused on Afghanistan. It is one of the reasons that I was opposed to the war in Iraq in the first place... And we’re also going to have to address the situation in Pakistan, where we now have, in the federated areas, Al Qaeda and the Taliban setting up bases there.” The last response demonstrates most clearly that Obama is not an “antiwar” candidate in any genuine sense of the term. He wants (some) US troops out of Iraq, not to lessen the slaughter of the Iraqi people—as well as casualties among American soldiers—but to shift the scene of battle to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria or some other country, whose people will be targeted in the interests of American imperialism. "
Ole Ben also said this: "In wine there is wisdom, Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Christine, after a sleepless night of deep thinking I was able to produce this brilliant solution. It's not a compromise, it's in fact an improvement over what you have now. 1 - Allow as many bozos as registered members at the site or maybe have a limit of 50 or 100. This way, those bozoed are given a second, third, even a fourth chance to redeem themselves and you don't make it too hard for those who are annoyed by some foul-mouthed primadonnas to keep them at a safe distance. What do you think. I believe that it's a good solution. Maybe Hillary should hire me as a consultant because she's been into solutions lately.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Tell me you wouldn't like to have a TV bozo option for Ms. O'Donnell. ;-)
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Effectively, cristine is lengthening her own bozo list to infinity.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
What's the difference between Rosie and Rosanne? I am never sure which is which. Who is the fat one?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
There are a variety of answers to just about any hypothetical scenario that can carry moral weight, and they don't have to agree. In this particular case, it appears JT's equates a loss of the 2A with a death sentence. I can appreciate that point even though do not agree with the premise as I know of no other country that has a 2A and people there are basically okay and often doing even better. Ecuador has no 2A and I'm doing just fine! But since JT and others have such contempt for my illustration, if you continue reading this thread you'll see that I've presented one much more realistic -- a presidential candidate who would fully restore the 2A while starting a war with Iran. Please tell me if you think a question of whether to vote for him or not is also something that is unfair and impossible to answer soundly. JT apparently feels it is. JT, though he accuses others of evading debate via bozo, himself has refused to defend himself and justify his accusation of me for a statement I made in the past relating to this very subject. That is, in fact, the whole root of this hypothetical matter. And, you or any other tyrant would never again have occasion to ask I'm sorry but I must ask: Did you mean to characterize me as a tyrant? Let me answer the last one first; of course not. I should have put "you" in quotation marks to make it clear that you were only the hypothetical tyrant and I was intentionally moving you out of your comfort zone while turning the virtual tables for reasons that require no explanation. It was easy for me to do it to you and it could easily cause hard feelings had we not cleared it up immediately. Right? In all of this mis-characterization I think it's worth mentioning that JT served and retired honorably from a career as a NYPD street cop. I'm betting that he went out for that because his desire to protect people was stronger than the urge to shoot some darkies. In fact AFAIK he never did that while on the job, but I'd bet that he did help many people and jail some pretty malo hombres in his time on the job. If I went the distance and retired from NYPD I'd probably resent anyone asking if or implying that I'm a mentally disordered crim, too, Neil. He may display a certain confidence when drawing the line in the sand (and failing to deny the charges) but that's probably because the feds can't afford to piss off the City cops who are the true first line of defense against all the federal agencies in La Manzana Grande. And, the last thing the feds would do is use an honorably retired NYPD officer as the target/victim in one of the feds' famous media show trials, and JT is used to getting the benefit of the doubt from everyone. So, let's assume that he's a stable, healthy, well adjusted law abiding citizen with a high regard for human life and dignity and respect for the rights of all who reciprocate. Unless he robs a bank (or worse, parks in the US Attorney's or some ART 3 judge's spot) they ain't gonna hassle him when he pokes a finger in the feds' elliptical eye. So, he is privileged to a certain degree to speak frankly and to say things that I wouldn't say, because the media could more readily vilify me than him for the purpose of a criminal trial. (How old were you when DAWG first felt you up?" "I was twelve, and I wasn't the first, either! He goosed my sister years before!") You may have also noticed that each time we tried to be unrealistically optimistic about Ron Paul's chances he'd drop a big brown floater in our WHEATIES, too. He just can't deceive himself for even a moment's worth of feeling good, and he won't let me or others get away with it, either. However irritating that may have been, he was right every time. And, if he sees Barry Obama as another hand picked functionary of the slave masters or perhaps even worse because the puppet masters now feel it payback time and whites are going to be put down and held down until the last American lowers the flag and turns off the Coleman lanterns, then chances are he's right about that, too. Is the truth any less true simply because we cannot deal with it? I'll certainly concede (but not for JT-not my place to do that) that I believe that JT has mis-characterized others including you, and I can say this because I've also done this. This is one of the reasons I don't play here now. The acrimony and "win at any cost no matter what I gotta say about your Mama" tone of debate at 4 is just too ruff for me now. (If others enjoy it or are simply younger and healthier and don't take things as personally as I then the problem is my incompatibility, and I made the logical choice to stop crossing swords with objectionable members and to leave the site to those who still enjoy it and benefit from the talk wrestling) Remember that America now enjoys the distinction of being the only English speaking country (but one of several Spanish speaking countries) where the WWF is regarded as a legit sports franchise/corporation. It's not my way to cross swords with vicious assholes, and given a choice between civil debate and LF/TOS-style blood matches I'd opt for the former every time. And, so would you and JT. I know this because when things got testy between me and him or you and I, neither of you savaged me because there was and is a measure of mutual respect between us. And, how do I know this? The same way a sleeping DAWG knows if he's been tripped over or if he's been kicked. And there's really nothing mysterious about the vicious rancor here or elsewhere on the net. it's a natural follow through for too many immature and/or "dull normals" once they're wounded, and they quickly lose respect for their perceived detractors. And, in the absence of hall monitors they often regress.... But, it can be repaired with apologies and resolutions if that matters to you and JT. Both of you are respected here and both of you smart when someone tries to wound you, even if they aren't all that gifted and miss their mark. It's the very thought that someone, ANYONE would even try that hurts JT, you, chris and me. This is the down side to being intelligent, perceptive people. JT goes the extra distance to maintain his patriot bone fides, probably because he was a cop in the agency that's THE RAND CORP's favorite cop corps. Wouldn't that explain a lot of his seemingly quick and pointed responses? The fact is, he's done a yeoman's job of earning folk's respect as a patriot and as a defender of the innocent against those who would harm us and them. No one seriously accuses him of being a govt plant and he's unaccustomed to being accused of having psycho tendencies, too. Cops who are "out of plumb" seldom go the distance. The stress level provides too many opportunities to lose it. On that point he deserves the benefit of any doubt no matter how he replied (or failed to respond) to the blunt interrogatory you employed. (No need to remind me that this wasn't the first insult, and you feel that it was a response not a first strike. I'm aware of this, too) Now, let's talk about you, shall we? In my view you're a great human being with a deep compassion and sensitivity for others, and that speaks very well of you. And, if you believe in the Creator and the Bible, well, I'd say that your name is probably on the goodie list. Your optimism and ability to look for the good in people (no one is all good or all bad, except the Clintons and the Bushes of course) seems to serve you well, and I accept and admire that. I crossed swords with you a few times and once I "got where you're coming from" I realized that we won't agree on some things, and I don't insult your intelligence by trying to "convert you". And I try to avoid mis-characterizing you for two reasons: First, you're a real asset to this website as a software engineer and troubleshooter; And, I'm far more certain of what is kind than I am of what is true. It would be really great if 4um could exemplify civil debate by persons who span the spectrum. And, since you and JT pretty well meet that definition (at least the spectrum at 4) and you both are very fond of christine, I'd like to see you two rise to the occasion and look for the positive attributes in each other for her sake, and for the betterment and furtherance of the mission of this website. And, there will never be a time when America and the world will need good men to find their common ground and stand together more. Remember, if a recognizable percentage of Americans, ex-pats and foreign victims of American imperialism ever get on the same harmonic frequency, we can turn the tide and send the lizards and their private security forces scurrying for their island fortress retreats. (Some disagree with that. Despite the absence of any historical precedent either way, some are sure that I'm wrong and they're right. And, if I challenge them they whip out their love muscles for a size comparison to "settle it like real men". This is my incompatibility problem since others don't seem to mind, so, it's their world and I'm not visiting for the moment) And if we fail to recognize that chaos is part of the master plan and ass bite each other, then 4um will become another political themed mosh pit by default. Everyone is depressed because the world is melting down in front of our very eyes, and the resulting anxiety only benefits those who rely on the chaos. Do you believe it's possible to be gentle with others as a first order of business here and then see if we can build on that? Or, should I just go and play with my dolls and let my nanny put in my Pollyanna curls so, I'll look real purty when the nuclear blast vaporizes me at the speed of light?
Rosanne occasionally says something funny. I would bozo Rosie, not Rosanne. See, I'm not totally intolerant.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
I'm sure the number that have bozo'ed you is small to non-existent, Dawg.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
As a matter of fact, I do have that option. I don't watch her. In fact I watch very little TV.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. But that way you're missing out on the cute, feisty little blond conservative. ;-) Before everybody starts romping on me, I catch snippets when I leave my smoking area and walk in on my wife watching it.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
He promises "less murdering"? C'mon. logic!
BeAChooser was plenty worried about Saddam and his "camels of mass destruction."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Kraphty debuls...
Saddam planned to deploy 'camels of mass destruction' LOL, funny!
I think you could have saved yourself a lot of grief if you had just remembered the simple fact that POLITICIANS LIE and it wouldn't have made any difference if one of the three whackjobs left in the running made any such promise. Their lips move, they lie. The only one running who would have made any attempt to do away with the unconstitutional gun laws on the books, at least at the level he would have anything to say about, would have been Ron Paul. And of course he isn't a warmonger and wouldn't have been itching to go slay imaginary dragons somewhere in a land beyond the sea (Puff the Magic Dragon).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I've decided to cut my well reasoned posts proportionately over the course of the next year.
Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash. -- Winston Churchill
2 - Have all bozos expire after 30 or 60 or 300 days. good ideas. can #2 be incorporated? i want everyone to be assured that what i am trying to do is in the best interest of 4um and i want to be as fair as possible. of course, i realize no matter what i do, i'm not going to make everyone happy.
We must take back our birthright from the criminals who are stealing it. I'm feeling Ron Paul is ready for another push forward. Who else? If not now, when?
Thank you, Christine.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
And of course the fact that the Obamacons themselves are lying deceiving Marxist white guilter RATs which no filter can fix...=)
I found I had quite a few old non-posting names on my filter. The reduction to 10 worked out fine for me...
Not remotely. When he gave a soft toss up for one of the Establishment lackeys, the racist Marxist One Worlder, it confirmed how effed we all are...
Try to be a bit more communicative when you post. Specifically what did you just say?
When he gave a soft toss up for one of the Establishment lackeys, the racist Marxist One Worlder, it confirmed how effed we all are... Let's try it this way: When Ron Paul said that BHO, the CFR's lightning rod, was the lesser of three evils, it confirmed that we're totally screwed here in America...
Yes indeed, it was a good post.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Not remotely. When he gave a soft toss up for one of the Establishment lackeys, the racist Marxist One Worlder, it confirmed how effed we all are... he expressed a lack of confidence in Ron Paul's ability to move forward due to Paul saying that Obama was slightly better than the other 2 major candidates. I agree with him, we're effed up he says.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Here's an example of what we were talking about. This is pure drivel delivered with the specific intent to harass other members into silence. Nothing more. This is the sort of nonsense that robin was bozoing. Not rational discussion. I don't see the harm in her choosing not to participate in this sort of childish tactic.
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Who is the fat one? That is like being given the examples of Maxine Waters and Bella Abzug and asking which is the ugly one.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I agree. and our mass media has contributed to the normalization of this type of political discourse. our people's natural propensity to mediocrity and laziness has sure helped also.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Mve along little boy. The adults are talking here. Come back when you learn to do something besides toss out silly insults.
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That was the discussion last night. Go pull up some the the FOH posts. Pull up fifty or so. He's incapable of making a rational argument. The only thing he can do is insult or disrupt as he did above. So the argument is: What good is he? And why should people be denied the ability to bozo this sort of non-content?
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Who's stopping you from filtering him?
I agree with you on this. The bozo filter was very useful in elimintating the trash talking posters. It would seem that reducing the number of bozo slots is a pretty dumb idea if your intent in to bring back a bit of civility to the forum. I'd personally rather not participate than be exposed to the garbage posts.
And the intent no doubt is to take advantage of such understandable feelings.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Hold on there triple dots. You might use the bozo to demoralize, so stop the BS.
Have you ever heard her say two words? Except maybe something in Johnnie's ear like "don't get to close him, he's not our kind". Every time that prissy bitch is on TV, her nose is stuck high in the air. I couldn't stand her from the moment I saw her. Even Nancy Reagan and Hillary Clinton were more likeable First Ladies. I wonder if Cindy thinks that she married "beneath" her. Even though Mad Mac comes from a family of admirals, he's still not blue blood "old money."
Kinda makes a person wonder, doesn't it?
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestYou and your 2nd Amendment haven't done much to prevent our current tyrants from issuing edicts that have led to the murder of thousands of innocent children in Iraq.
" The final foreign policy question was on Afghanistan. Russert asked Obama directly, “Would you, as president, be willing to have a military surge in Afghanistan in order to, once and for all, eliminate the Taliban?”
#503. To: Jethro Tull (#449)
Ben Franklin said something similar, I believe.
in beer there is freedom,
in water there is bacteria."
#504. To: christine (#333)
I've incorporated my compromise solution to the bozo filter debate. The total number of slots is now 10 rather than 20. I hope that's a decision that everyone can live with, but if not, I understand.
2 - Have all bozos expire after 30 or 60 or 300 days.
#505. To: James Deffenbach (#377)
I am so tired of politicians and people like Rosie O'Donnell who think that peons shouldn't have any weapons but it is fine for people to protect them with those evil guns.
#506. To: Pinguinite, cristine (#478)
I believe 4um was not broken and should not have been fixed. Such "fix" changes can destablize things even more.
#507. To: iconoclast (#505)
#508. To: Pinguinite, christine, Jethro Tull (#486)
We've apparently moved on from this particular hypothetical. My point in what you responded to is that JT consistently failed to give an accounting of himself beyond what he stated at face value. You'll further note that what you responded to was in answer to a request to respond to a mischaracterization that was placed upon me, so of course I stand by my post all the more.
#509. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#507)
What's the difference between Rosie and Rosanne?
#510. To: HOUNDDAWG (#508)
#511. To: iconoclast (#505)
Tell me you wouldn't like to have a TV bozo option for Ms. O'Donnell. ;-)
Lord Acton
#512. To: James Deffenbach (#511)
As a matter of fact, I do have that option. I don't watch her. In fact I watch very little TV.
#513. To: angle (#502)
Then give them your guns. They'll be so grateful that they promise not to unlawfully do to you what they're unlawfully doing to Iraq. BTW, BO agrees with the expansion of the ME conflict, so why would you be vocally spporting him if that position is "murdering ... thousands of innocent children in Iraq"?
#514. To: karelian, BeAChooser, christine, FOH, Peppa, Dakmar, Neil McIver, all (#399)
Lord Acton
#515. To: James Deffenbach (#514)
"The largest section of the course will be specialised to focus on using the explosive material in the body, in motorcycle, in cars, and in camels". Camels will be "provided by the Directory of General Military Intelligence".
#516. To: James Deffenbach (#514)
BeAChooser was plenty worried about Saddam and his "camels of mass destruction."
#517. To: Pinguinite (#423)
The real life potential for this hypothetical point is whether it is morally acceptable to vote for someone for president who promises to restore the 2A while also promising to start a war with Iran, admitting that it will mean 10's of thousands or 100's of thousands of innocent Iranians killed. Would it be morally acceptable to vote for him?
Lord Acton
#518. To: christine (#333)
The total number of slots is now 10 rather than 20. I hope that's a decision that everyone can live with, but if not, I understand.
#519. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, robin, iconoclast, Jethro Tull, Pinguinite (#504)
1 - Allow as many bozos as registered members at the site or maybe have a limit of 50 or 100.
#520. To: James Deffenbach, christine, cynicom (#517)
The only one running who would have made any attempt to do away with the unconstitutional gun laws on the books, at least at the level he would have anything to say about, would have been Ron Paul.
#521. To: christine (#472)
disgusting elites! well said, JD!
Lord Acton
#522. To: nolu_chan (#381)
#523. To: christine (#519)
#524. To: christine (#519)
#525. To: angle (#520)
I'm feeling Ron Paul is ready for another push forward.
#526. To: FOH (#525)
#527. To: All (#526)
GOP seeks order to primary chaos (wants nomination rules change this year)
#528. To: angle (#526)
Try to be a bit more communicative when you post. Specifically what did you just say?
#529. To: angle, HOUNDDAWG (#495)
Bump to this excellent well-reasoned analysis. Geez, HOUNDDAWG, you've cetainly earned your respect around here with posts like that.
Lord Acton
#530. To: angle (#526)
I'm feeling Ron Paul is ready for another push forward.
#531. To: Christine (#523)
And of course the fact that the Obamacons themselves are lying deceiving Marxist white guilter RATs which no filter can fix...=)
#532. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#507)
What's the difference between Rosie and Rosanne? I am never sure which is which.
Lord Acton
#533. To: ... (#531)
#534. To: ... (#531)
This is pure drivel delivered with the specific intent to harass other members into silence. Nothing more
#535. To: FOH (#533)
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#536. To: Red Jones (#534)
I agree. and our mass media has contributed to the normalization of this type of political discourse. our people's natural propensity to mediocrity and laziness has sure helped also.
#537. To: ... (#536)
#538. To: ... (#531)
This is the sort of nonsense that robin was bozoing. Not rational discussion. I don't see the harm in her choosing not to participate in this sort of childish tactic.
#539. To: Arete (#538)
I'd personally rather not participate than be exposed to the garbage posts.
#540. To: ... (#536)
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#541. To: iconoclast (#402)
Yeah, and with rich, snotty, self-absorbed bitch smeared all over her.
#542. To: aristeides (#539)
And the intent no doubt is to take advantage of such understandable feelings.
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