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Title: Attention 4um Members
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Published: May 4, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-04 22:40:24 by christine
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I have to be honest, I'm completely distressed at what's happened to this forum. The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum. What's the point of having an open free speech venue when everyone is bozo'ing everyone else? When I read my mission statement and what Freedom4um was created to be, I don't even recognize the place anymore. There will be changes made in the near future as I decide what is best for the continued growth of this forum.
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#172. To: Peppa (#171)
How silly of me not to ping you!
You know, we are all gluttons for whips and chains to a degee, or we would not be in these virtual joints. You'd have to lock many of us for a week in a cell with a drag dressed Rudy to really get many of us to squeal like a pig. If anything, being in forums so long is the worst enemy to the endeavour of sustaining participation in a virtual community. Doing real activism in one's community is always much more fun and engaging, and anyone posting online should always strive to never ever forget that.
Their "moderation" is really just an ego trip. The bias and manipulation is palpable. So, agreed, there are no examples I can think of to commend. It may not be as tough as you imagine, and you'll get 80% of the benefit with banning the worst 20%. I believe Pingunite has obscenity filters that could be enabled - that automates a lot of the trivia mommyadmin. Leaving you free to make a judgement call (as you've done in the past) to identify who is here to discuss (or entertain) versus who is looking to start flame wars. Thank you. Condolences on the food fight :)
(Be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves)
That's why I bozo'd him. He does NOT constructively contribute to the forum. In his case I don't think banning is out of order. That's not my call, it's just my opinion. And I'm not even asking he be banned as to merely ask places a burden on the site owner. I'm satisfied banning him from my world via bozo.
Now THAT's funny!
You offered to buy out Goldi-Witch over Ron Paul (before the body snatchers), why don't you tell Christine what it will cost US to buy your sorry ass out -and replace you- there Mr. Unaccountable? Christine, plz copy this to sh#t4brains down in Ecuador...he has me on filter.
He has you on bozo dunce. He can't see you silly shit. Neil, you can't see this, but FOH is wondering where Trace21231 is tonight. Why don't you call him a Marxist? That ought to fix him. (Or at least it will give us something to chortle over.)
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I'm not buying that innocent "you weren't there" stuff for Peppa. Peppa leveled a very serious accusation. If she had an ounce of circumstantial evidence, she could float it and I/we could deal with it. But there's nothing NOTHING she's placed on the table to back up the accusation. Further she claimed lots of people knew: Were are these crowds, Peppa? How come they are not coming to your defense? They don't exist, do they? DO THEY?? This also was a lie, wasn't it? An outright LIE. If they are here they obviously don't love you very much. And, for the fourteenth time, why the accusation on THIS thread? But you ain't talkin.
Neil, you can't see this, but FOH is wondering where Trace21231 is tonight. Why don't you call him a Marxist? That ought to fix him. (Or at least it will give us something to chortle over.) I pinged the 4um webmaster and two grown ups, I did not ping the kiddie table...
It's drivin ya nuts, ain't it Neil ? You should probably ban her, right Neil ??
You're right. I see a serious charge but nothing to back it up. And no real circumstantial evidence for it either. As far as I know, there has never been a security breach here. In fact, there is a long history of taking good care of people's info. And that can't be said of most other places.
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No, I think it's driving you nuts. I mean, you're the one that's ranting at the empty air.
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I've enjoyed seeing JT engaged enough to playing his role advocating against Obama I've actually enjoyed that. I do have a problem with trying to use the bozo as leverage in spin doctoring an issue however. And he blew it ethically on the 2nd Amendment hypothetical in a big way. And as nasty as I can certainly be in my criticism, none of it is personal as on the balance of things I have gotten good stuff over the years by reading Jethro. That is my overall perspective here. As for FOH, I hear and appreciate his enthusiasm for his point of view. He is also a generally nice guy who is entertaining to watch when he goes off the deep end politically. I would never bozo him. The internal judgment of what to read and what to ignore is far more powerful a tool then any software function to kill file something. The brain and will is mightier then the computer or software. There is no good reason in any way to be doing an introspective naval watch session on this way to bookmark another into oblivion. This entire line of discussion is pointless to the extreme. To bozo or not to bozo, to worry about it to this extreme is actually worse then anything involved in doing or not doing it.
And I responded. And I pointed out that you were again acting like a silly child. Here is a suggestion: Turn off the computer. Sit quietly for a while and try to come up with something besides your idiotic name calling. That's how adults behave. And if you acted like an adult, people might then stop taunting you.
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I find him to be pretty much your stock freeper. Read the thread above, he's been at it for hours and hasn't come up with anything that a pouting nine year old couldn't better. He is fun to poke however. I must admit that.
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May I suggest you bozo him and be done with it? I mean, you're treading down the same path I and probably 8 others have already.
It could be worse, we could have byeltsin or TLBSHOW in here doing their particular toxic dog and pony shows. He is a FReeperish kind of guy, but this place has been known to make them start doing the independent thinking routine. Don't give up on him yet, he may surprise you.
I might. I think you made the mistake of taking him seriously. But if you read the thread above you'll see he isn't capable of anything beyond "Fuck you commie!!". I have people over now and they are getting a kick out of him. They're from the University and they're used to people operating on a much more rational level. They're not net people. They're sort of horrified and sort of fascinated watching a hostile idiot like this in action. A friend of mine just got her Phd in Bio Chem. We are having a party.
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How? By saying "Fuck You Marxist" in French? My friend who just got her Phd is a Pagan and she says hi. She operates out of Boulder Colorado.
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Exactly, he's the candidate of the Trilateral Commission. Zbig and Lee Hamilton (and their minions) all endorse him. It's long past time that the American people realized that "they" are not going to allow you to have a candidate that represents you.
I'm happy to hear his opinion, even if it's that he disagrees with me. But if that's all he has to say, which it is, then I don't need to hear it 37 times a day. That's my only problem with him.
Yes, I'd say you're DEFINITELY going down the same path I went down!
Christine: Whichever way you want to change your forum is acceptable to me, as long as it doesn't mean that I'm tomorrow's history. Before making any changes, though, just remember that politics on whatever level is a hotly debated subject. It's normal for fighting and distrust to develop during election years. I don't post here much, but when I do I do my best to remain civil and impersonal. Quite frankly, I believe this is one of the better forums on the web today. RO
I make that mistake with everyone when I first meet them. Yes, I know. Is it kinda like watching a train wreck that never stops wrecking?? Well a hearty congrats to your friend! Have a good time but stay safe.
I wasn't serious when I said that and I'm not really trying to reform the guy. I know he isn't capable of adult behavior. I'm just trying to make him hop around and entertain people.
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Is it kinda like watching a train wreck that never stops wrecking?? No, it's a total guilty pleasure thing. Several people here have relatives like this guy. And they can't slap the relatives around no matter how much they deserve it. So they sort of enjoy watching FOH get tweaked. Actually, they've sort of lost interest now and they are out on the deck.
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Which is exactly why Obama is there. F4um is a microcosm of the larger body politic...with a more colorful cast. : ) Is it possible to code far fewer slots into the bozo list? If those with a penchant for using it knew they only had three bozos to bozo, they might be less apt to see it as their first option. I'm glad you guys are here. This country is going into the crapper quickly and this is one of the last of five or ten truly free speech bastions left on the net. Thanks.
Read New History ...or there 2nd to last option. The last option is, of course, to leave.
After taking a closer look at Barr I can't support him. He paid for his first wife's abortion. I am going to take a closer look at Baldwin now. I might be able to look past his love of the Confederate Battle flag if that is all I disagree with him about. I did vote for Peroutka in 2004 with him as VP. But my vote was more for Peroutka than him.
God is always good!
I agree that I would not have supposed that the R&D election cycle would bring this kind of discord here. But then again, maybe it's doing a service by bringing more that we really are out. If so, that may be uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean it's wrong or unhealthy forum-wise. It's not the point of 4um to mold any of us into something we aren't. Certainly that's not going to happen except for those individuals that allow themselves to change. Please take heart that that's how it should be. Agree completely, Neil. The members wanted the bozo filter, and then you added the ignore thread feature here (as an added bonus) so if people don't want to post or participate here; fine. There are no fundraisers or fees to join, and everyone is here because they wish to be here. Don't change a thing.
Then who would argue with them? ; )
Read New History I say hi back. My sister Linda had a house in Boulder before she died of cancer in 2004, nice little town Boulder I found in my time there. I so tune out the repetitiveness. I do notice if he says something new, but he'll either figure out he's not effective here being repetitive, or won't. I just don't waste time worrying about it. I am perfectly capable of rattling cages when I want to in forums, but I spend more time studying what is effective in the art of posting, or not; and why this is so. It would be nice to have some of the same enthusiasm for doing this I did when I started in 1995, but it isn't reasonable to expect that to remain the same. People change, and the times and places the discussions change all the time too. I love to argue some things politically, but I have problems with the fact many battles I have done more then once and am bored with a clumsy and badly done rebuttal. I am doing more and more personal journal writing, and keeping much of it to my self. I like writing, and that is just the phase I am in right now. I plan ultimately to do more blogging then posting for awhile, as I have done political forum posting so long I need the change. But I'll always be in places like this too. Even if I am doing more lurking then I used to do.
That is an absolutely outstanding suggestion.
Elect anyone but Obama, Clinton, or McCain.
If there is a problem, it is not with the software, the maintainer of the software, or the bozo filter.
And what of the gaps in the thread the subject of the
bozo would see?
I come here to read about health/financial/gardening material as a general rule, and couldn't care less about Obama/McCain/Clinton (although I am STILL following Paul's "campaign", just to see how many people vote against McCain). All I really want to know is...where do I report to for that spanking that 'critter' mentioned? :-)
You have disruptors here. The bozo use is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. It allows freedom of association. I use the filter to make the latest comment pages useable for me. Like for example, in the morning, Kamala posts lots and lots of informative threads. They aren't breaking news or necessarily news I want to read right then, so I filter them out. I ban from my view the proven stupid and spammers and disruptors and those who get their panties in a knot over Obama. I even banned cynicom once or twice because he made me want to pull my hair out. Mudboy Slim and VRWC are the same disruptors here that they were in the other forums. FOH is a disruptor as well. And there are operatives. They're more difficult to weed out. People can filter them or not. People should know that Private Mails are not secure. It sure was distressing to see Neil (Webmaster) jump in on that one thread accusing people who weren't supporting Obama to be akin to murderers. And he was uncharacteristically rude. Who knows if it's Neil or not or where he's really coming from? So yeah, you have problems here. Banning the obvious trolls is entirely appropriate. What seems to be happening is a hijacking of the forum by Obamaphiles and operatives using the filter to limit their discussion group. But what harm does that do unless there's lots of 'em? No real harm...I mean how many times can you post rah-rah Obama? If the others like Jethro Tull and peppa would use some restraint from baiting them and keeping those threads alive, some of the crap would die down. People here are intelligent enough to see who's who and what their agenda is. I suggest to do nothing but the bare minimum. The trolls are showing themselves and those paying attention can adjust accordingly.
And what of the gaps in the thread the subject of the bozo would see? You don't see gaps if someone has you on bozo. Only if you have someone else on bozo. The whole problem is people looking at their bozo count and freaking out. If they can't see how many people have them on bozo, no problem.
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
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#173. To: Critter (#168)
"ooooh, spank me baby!"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#174. To: christine (#167)
further, i've never liked other forum's owners and moderators deciding what is civil and what is not and then treating their members like they're naughty children.
i will, however, get tough if i have to.
i appreciate them and it's very nice to see you again.
#175. To: ... (#163)
A perfect example of this is FOH with his silly name calling (see above).
#176. To: Critter (#168)
ooooh, spank me baby!
#177. To: Pinguinite, christine, Jethro Tull (#175)
That's why I bozo'd him. He does NOT constructively contribute to the forum. In his case I don't think banning is out of order. That's not my call, it's just my opinion. And I'm not even asking he be banned as to merely ask places a burden on the site owner. I'm satisfied banning him from my world via bozo.
#178. To: FOH (#177)
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#179. To: ... (#169)
You weren't in on the last fiasco.
Too many know.
#180. To: ... (#178)
He has you on bozo dunce. He can't see you silly shit.
#181. To: Pinguinite (#179)
Peppa leveled a very serious accusation. If she had an ounce of circumstantial evidence, she could float it and I/we could deal with it. But there's nothing NOTHING she's placed on the table to back up the accusation.
#182. To: Pinguinite (#179)
#183. To: FOH (#181)
It's drivin ya nuts, ain't it Neil ?
#184. To: Pinguinite (#175)
"That's why I bozo'd him. He does NOT constructively contribute to the forum. In his case I don't think banning is out of order. That's not my call, it's just my opinion. And I'm not even asking he be banned as to merely ask places a burden on the site owner. I'm satisfied banning him from my world via bozo."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#185. To: FOH (#180)
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I pinged the 4um webmaster and two grown ups,
#186. To: Ferret Mike (#184)
As for FOH, I hear and appreciate his enthusiasm for his point of view. He is also a generally nice guy who is entertaining to watch when he goes off the deep end politically.
#187. To: ... (#183)
#188. To: ... (#186)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#189. To: Pinguinite (#187)
May I suggest you bozo him and be done with it? I mean, you're treading down the same path I and probably 8 others have already.
#190. To: Ferret Mike (#188)
He is a FReeperish kind of guy, but this place has been known to make them start doing the independent thinking routine. Don't give up on him yet, he may surprise you.
#191. To: Original_Intent (#2)
I've stayed out of the frays because it is a foregone conclusion, to me, that Obummer is just as much under control as Hitlery and McInsane.
#192. To: Ferret Mike (#184)
As for FOH, I hear and appreciate his enthusiasm for his point of view.
#193. To: ... (#185)
Here is a suggestion: Turn off the computer. Sit quietly for a while and try to come up with something besides your idiotic name calling. That's how adults behave.
#194. To: christine (#0)
#195. To: ... (#189)
I might. I think you made the mistake of taking him seriously.
But if you read the thread above you'll see he isn't capable of anything beyond "Fuck you commie!!".
They're sort of horrified and sort of fascinated watching a hostile idiot like this in action.
A friend of mine just got her Phd in Bio Chem. We are having a party.
#196. To: Pinguinite (#193)
Yes, I'd say you're DEFINITELY going down the same path I went down!
#197. To: Pinguinite (#195)
They're sort of horrified and sort of fascinated watching a hostile idiot like this in action.
#198. To: christine, Pinguinite (#0)
The fighting and the distrust between those for and those against Obama has gotten to the point where, in my opinion, it's destroying the forum.
"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte
#199. To: JiminyC (#198)
If those with a penchant for using it knew they only had three bozos to bozo, they might be less apt to see it as their first option.
#200. To: FOH (#177)
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#201. To: Pinguinite, christine, all (#10)
Disagreement is one of the main points of a forum. Sure it may mean some people go, but new people come. That's normal. That's healthy.
#202. To: Pinguinite (#199)
The last option is, of course, to leave.
"Abe Foxman, my good friend and partner." - John Negroponte
#203. To: ... (#190)
"My friend who just got her Phd is a Pagan and she says hi. She operates out of Boulder Colorado."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#204. To: ... (#93)
I think the real solution is to take the bozo count off the set up page. Then you wouldn't know how many people had you on bozo.
#205. To: lodwick, Pinguinite, christine (#201)
Don't change a thing.
#206. To: ... (#93)
I think the real solution is to take the bozo count off the set
up page. Then you wouldn't know how many people had you on bozo
#207. To: christine, critter (#0)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#208. To: christine, all (#0)
I don't even recognize the place anymore.
#209. To: Jethro Tull (#206)
I think the real solution is to take the bozo count off the set up page. Then you wouldn't know how many people had you on bozo
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#211. To: christine (#0)
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