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Title: Indiana nuns lacking ID denied at poll by fellow sister: Nun working Ind. poll turns fellow sisters away for lacking photo ID under state's new law
Source: Talking Points Memo (AP News)
URL Source: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2 ... ana_nuns_lacking_id_denied.php
Published: May 6, 2008
Author: DEBORAH HASTINGS
Post Date: 2008-05-06 16:06:04 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 135
Comments: 10

Indiana nuns lacking ID denied at poll by fellow sister

Nun working Ind. poll turns fellow sisters away for lacking photo ID under state's new law

DEBORAH HASTINGS
AP News

May 06, 2008 14:46 EST

About 12 Indiana nuns were turned away Tuesday from a polling place by a fellow bride of Christ because they didn't have state or federal identification bearing a photograph.

Sister Julie McGuire said she was forced to turn away her fellow sisters at Saint Mary's Convent in South Bend, across the street from the University of Notre Dame, because they had been told earlier that they would need such an ID to vote.

The nuns, all in their 80s or 90s, didn't get one but came to the precinct anyway.

"One came down this morning, and she was 98, and she said, 'I don't want to go do that,'" Sister McGuire said. Some showed up with outdated passports. None of them drives.

They weren't given provisional ballots because it would be impossible to get them to a motor vehicle branch and back in the 10-day time frame allotted by the law, Sister McGuire said. "You have to remember that some of these ladies don't walk well. They're in wheelchairs or on walkers or electric carts."

Nonetheless, she said, the convent will make a "very concerted effort" to get proper identification for the nuns in time for the general election. "We're going to take from now until November to get them out and get this done. You can't do this like school kids on a bus," she said. "I wish we could."

Elsewhere across the pivotal state, voting appeared to run smoothly, despite the fears of election experts that the Supreme Court's recent refusal to strike down Indian's controversial photo identification law could cause confusion at the polls.

A voter hot line set up by the secretary of state's office had no complaints regarding photo IDs as of 3 p.m., said spokeswoman Bethany Derringer. In a primary expected to draw record numbers, most calls concerned precinct locations.

"The No. 1 call they've heard so far is just people asking where they can go to vote," Derringer said.

But a group of voting rights advocates that established a separate hot line reported receiving several calls from would-be voters who were turned away at precincts because they did not have a state or federal identification bearing a photograph.

One newly married woman said she was told she couldn't vote because her driver's license name didn't match the one on her voter registration record, said Myrna Perez of the Brennan Center Justice at New York University's law school, coordinator of the 1-866-OUR-VOTE hot line. Another woman said she was turned away from casting her first-ever ballot because she had only a college-issued ID card and an out-of-state driver's license, Perez said.

"These laws are confusing. People don't know how they're supposed to be applied," she said.

Indiana's photo ID law is the strictest in the country. The Republican-led effort was designed to combat ballot fraud, said supporters, who also have acknowledged that no case involving someone impersonating a voter at the polls has ever been prosecuted in Indiana.

The state's American Civil Liberties Union sued, calling the law a poll tax that disproportionately affected minorities and elderly voters, those most likely to lack such identification. On April 28, the Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 that the law did not violate the Constitution.

Since then, advocacy groups have fretted that people showing up to vote in Tuesday's primary would not understand their rights under the law, which include being able to cast a provisional ballot and obtain a proper ID within 10 days so that ballot would be counted later.

Rick Rice, a precinct judge at the Charles Martin Youth Center in South Bend, said one person complained about the voter ID law when he attempted to use a federal identification that didn't have an expiration date on it.

"I didn't know who it was put out by, but we couldn't accept it," Rice said. "He had a driver's license, he was just trying to make a point. He wanted to push it and the law is very clear."

Rice said the man voted, then asked where he could write to file a complaint.

Sean Greene, of the nonpartisan electionline.org, was monitoring precincts in the Lafayette area of Tippecanoe County. "It's going pretty well," he said, despite long lines. "Most of the people I've seen today are prepared and used to this. They have their IDs out already.

That thought was echoed in South Bend, where Elizabeth Bridges, 63, said half of the people working in her voting precinct were family members, but still she showed her ID.

"I think the law is a good thing because a lot of people are crooked," she said.

John Parker III, agreed.

"I think it's a good thing because I don't want anyone coming in and voting for me," he said. "Someone could come in here and just use my name."

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Associated Press writers Tom Murphy, Tom Coyne and Ryan Lenz in Indiana contributed to this report.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Josh Marshall's comment on TPM is: "Not a Bug, a Feature".

The irony is, this law, which discourages voting by the old and the poor, may hurt Hillary Clinton in today's primary more than it does Barack Obama.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-06   16:07:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: aristeides (#0)

This is beyond pathetic.

Lod  posted on  2008-05-06   16:15:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: aristeides (#0)

"I think the law is a good thing because a lot of people are crooked," she said.

What a moran. The most crooked people in this country are the ones making these "laws".

--- “The only real failure in life is not to be true to the best one knows.” ---

JiminyC  posted on  2008-05-06   16:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides (#1)

The irony is, this law, which discourages voting by the old and the poor, may hurt Hillary Clinton in today's primary more than it does Barack Obama.

When Obama loses, what is a person like you going to do, riot?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-05-06   16:29:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: RickyJ (#4) (Edited)

When Obama loses, what is a person like you going to do, riot?

You guys keep talking about rioting. I believe I have yet to mention the prospect on this forum.

Oh, I just remembered. I discounted somebody saying on this forum that Limbaugh is only predicting riots, not provoking them.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-06   16:40:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: aristeides (#5)

You guys keep talking about rioting. I believe I have yet to mention the prospect on this forum.

That doesn't answer the question. You either riot if he loses or you don't.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-05-06   16:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: RickyJ (#6)

If you can find one posting of mine that even hints that I might want to riot, I might consider answering your question.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-06   16:46:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: RickyJ, aristeides (#7) (Edited)

You either riot if he loses or you don't.

Hell, I might riot no matter which of the three stooges wins the election, just out of general principle.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-05-06   17:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: FormerLurker (#8)

Hell, I might riot no matter which of the three stooges wins the election, just out of general principle.

I won't riot. Rioting accomplishes nothing. TPTB want riots, it is what gives them more power to control us. Minorities in the USA have fallen for this trap time and time again.

The USA won't change unless there is a massive revolt, it won't be a successful revolt unless the Military is partly in on it.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-05-06   18:11:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: RickyJ (#9)

Now you had to go and pop my balloon. I was only joking of course. Maybe I'll just sit around and get drunk, maybe I'll find a way to move to another country.

Time will tell.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-05-06   18:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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