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Title: Chuck Baldwin - "If I were President"
Source: ChuckBaldwinLive.com
URL Source: http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20080502.html
Published: May 2, 2008
Author: Chuck Baldwin
Post Date: 2008-05-07 10:49:38 by FOH
Keywords: Constitution Party, Baldwin, President
Views: 409
Comments: 36


Due to my frequent criticisms of President George W. Bush, I am often asked what I would do if I were President of these United States. This column will serve as an attempt to answer that question.

If I were President, I would begin the process of safely extracting our troops from Iraq. In the first place, our troops are no longer fighting a war, they are an occupation force, which occupies a sovereign country. And this is being done without a Declaration of War. The Iraqi people resent our occupation as much as we would resent another nation stronger than ours invading and occupying America. If such a thing happened to our beloved country, I'm sure many of us would also become "insurgents."

In the second place, the invasion and occupation of Iraq was absolutely unnecessary. Instead of sacrificing more than 4,000 American lives and the lives of tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens (not to mention some 2-3 trillion dollars), President Bush should have supported Ron Paul's bill, H.R. 3076, the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. This is the constitutional way to deal with rogue terrorist organizations. This is the way President Thomas Jefferson responded to the Barbary pirates.

According to Congressman Paul, "A letter of marque and reprisal is a constitutional tool specifically designed to give the President the authority to respond with appropriate force to those non-state actors who wage aggression against the United States while limiting his authority to only those responsible for the atrocities of that day. Such a limited authorization is consistent with the doctrine of just war and the practical aim of keeping Americans safe while minimizing the costs in blood and treasure of waging such an operation."

Had President Bush responded in this manner, tens of thousands of lives would have been saved, trillions of dollars would not have needed to be spent, Osama bin Laden and most of his fellow terrorists would likely be dead, and we would not be bogged down in a nightmarish military quagmire in Iraq. And, if I were President, this is exactly how I would handle terrorist organizations such as al Qaeda.

Furthermore, it is absolutely ludicrous to say we are fighting a war on terror half way around the world when we refuse to secure our borders and ports. If I were President, I would immediately seal our borders. I would also see to it that employers in America who knowingly hire illegal aliens are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In plain language: any employer who consciously hires illegal aliens would go to jail. They would not pass Go; they would not collect $200; they would go straight to jail.

By sealing the borders and by cutting off the money supply to illegal aliens, the problem of illegal immigration would dry up. As it is, we have no idea how many potential terrorists--not to mention violent gang members such as MS-13--have snuck (and are sneaking) through our borders.

And speaking of illegal immigration, as President, I would enforce our visa rules. This means anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law is immediately deported. There would be no "path to citizenship" given to any illegal alien. That means no amnesty. Not in any shape, manner, or form. I would not allow tax dollars to be used to pay for illegal aliens' education, social services, or medical care. As President, I would end birthright citizenship for illegal aliens. There would be no "anchor babies" during my administration.

If I were President, I would use the bully pulpit of the White House to encourage Congress to pass Congressman Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life Act. In short, this bill would do two things: First, it would declare that unborn babies are persons under the law. Second, under the authority of Article. III. Section. 2. of the U.S. Constitution, it would remove abortion from the jurisdiction of the Court. In essence, this bill would immediately overturn Roe v. Wade and end legalized abortion.

Republicans tout themselves as being "pro-life." Yet, the GOP controlled both houses of Congress and the White House for six years and did absolutely nothing to overturn Roe or end abortion-on-demand. Under my administration, we could end legal abortion in a matter of days, not decades. And if Congress refused to pass Dr. Paul's bill, I would use the constitutional power of the Presidency to deny funds to protect abortion clinics. Either way, legalized abortion ends when I take office.

On the subject of foreign policy, as President, I would end foreign aid. I would also end the current infatuation with nation-building, empire-building, and interventionism. America is not the world's policeman. Neither are our military personnel the personal militia of the United Nations.

Remember that President Bush told the U.N. in 2003 that the reason we invaded Iraq was for the purpose of securing the "peace and credibility of the United Nations." (I lie not; that is what he said.) President Bush also placed the U.S. back under UNESCO in spite of the fact that President Reagan had heroically taken the U.S. out from under that sinister organization.

I am sure that readers recall that the U.N. Charter was authored by a Soviet communist agent (Alger Hiss) and that the U.S. has been fighting wars for the U.N. ever since the organization was created back in 1945.

Speaking of the United Nations, as President, I would withhold funds from the support of the United Nations. In other words, I would get the U.S. out of the U.N. Beyond that, when I move into the White House, the U.N.'s rent is up! They move out of New York City post haste.

By the same token, there is absolutely no reason for us to be in NATO. We should not be antagonizing Russia by attempting to expand NATO. There is no reason why Russia could not become a friend and ally of the United States. Free and fair trade with Russia and a noninterventionist foreign policy in Europe would do much to endear American interests to Russia. To insist on expanding and empowering NATO only serves to further alienate Russia and drive her to make alliances with Communist China.

Speaking of China, it is time that we recognize the very serious threat that China poses to the peace and security of the United States. Our trade practices serve only to allow corporate America to continue to invest in what will surely become an albatross around the neck of our well-being. We must discontinue the practice of allowing China to export its cheap products to the U.S. with no protection for America's jobs and manufacturing, not to mention the lack of protection for our safety. This must stop, and it will stop when I become President. "Free trade" will no longer mean a free ride for Red China.

Furthermore, as President, I would take the preservation of our nation's sovereignty and independence extremely seriously. This means that the burgeoning North American Union is dead on arrival the day I am sworn in as President. Gone, too, is the NAFTA superhighway. And for that matter, I would lead the United States out of NAFTA and CAFTA altogether. And any prospect for the FTAA would be dead as well.

As President, I would be the best friend that gun owners (and lawful gun dealers), homeschoolers, and veterans ever had in the White House. These are three of the most persecuted, harassed, or overlooked groups of people in the country. But not if I were President.

There is no reason why our veterans should wait for weeks and months to receive the medical care they need. It is disgraceful that we would ask our brave men and women of the U.S. armed forces to fight our country's battles and then leave them to pretty much fend for themselves when it comes to receiving adequate health care. I would make taking care of our veterans an extremely high priority, if I were President.

If I were President, I would also do everything in my power to locate and retrieve any and all MIAs. I personally believe that there are hundreds of our servicemen who are yet being held against their will in various parts of the world. I would make finding them and bringing them home of utmost priority, if I were President.

On the home front, if I were President, I would end corporate welfare. I would also work to disband the Department of Energy (along with the Department of Education and many other federal departments). There is absolutely no reason for us to be dependent upon OPEC. There is enough gas and oil under the soil of Alaska (not to mention the Dakotas and the Gulf of Mexico) to meet the energy needs of the United States for the next 150-200 years. There is also no reason that gas should cost more than $1.50 a gallon (which is about what it was before Bush became President).

We must begin drilling for the domestic oil that we know exists; we must build more refineries and nuclear power plants. There is no reason why the United States cannot be mostly energy independent. It is time we started putting the people and interests of the United States ahead of the CEOs and interests of international corporations.

Lastly, if I were President, I would work feverishly to overturn the Sixteenth Amendment, which would repeal the Income Tax. And, no, I would not promote a national sales tax. That would be disastrous! Can you imagine what a 30% sales tax would do to the cost of EVERYTHING? Plus, give politicians a national sales tax to increase and just imagine what kind of percent that would grow into!

I would also work to repeal the "death tax," inheritance taxes, and property taxes. The American people are already paying somewhere between 30% and 40% of their income to Uncle Sam. It must stop. We are bankrupting our country with this incessant and burdensome tax system. In addition, I would work to expunge the Federal Reserve and to restore the American economy to sound money.

Now, I hear people say, That's easy for you to say; you are not a candidate for President. Ah, but now I am.

Last week, in its national nominating convention in Kansas City, Missouri, the Constitution Party nominated me as its 2008 Presidential candidate. Party delegates nominated me over Ambassador Alan Keyes by a margin of 74% to 24%. Therefore, I am now a candidate for President of these United States.

See the CP website at http://www.constitutionparty.com

My Vice Presidential running mate is Darrell Castle, an attorney and Vietnam War Marine Corps veteran from Memphis, Tennessee.

Our web site is not online yet, but will be soon. We will be able to receive credit card donations when the web page is uploaded. The address of my campaign web site is: http://www.baldwin2008.com

In the meantime, if anyone wants to support our campaign, checks may be written to:

Baldwin 2008
P.O. Box 131
Palmyra, New Jersey 08065
I believe it is only fair, as I continue to write these columns, that one understands the full disclosure of my candidacy.

As readers know, I enthusiastically supported Ron Paul during the Republican Primary season. I plan to continue to trumpet his call for limited government, non-interventionism abroad, constitutional government, and freedom into the general election as a Third Party candidate.

I do not expect the national media to pay us much heed; they seldom do. I do not expect to receive large donations from corporate America. I do expect criticism and ridicule. That is nothing new. However, I also anticipate tens of thousands of freedom-loving people from all religious persuasions and walks of life to rally to our cause. Why? Because thousands of principled people will not be bullied into voting for the "evil of two lessers" being shoved down our throats by the two major parties. Because this campaign is not about Chuck Baldwin. It is not about a political party. It is about freedom. It is about constitutional government. It is about restoring America to the founding principles bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers. If you believe in those principles, join us!

In the meantime, these columns will continue to serve as a voice for America's founding principles, as they have for the past eight-plus years. In addition, unlike the candidates from the two major parties, the taxpayers are not underwriting my campaign, and I will continue my day job. (Imagine that: a Presidential candidate who actually works for a living!) And all of this is just in time for my 56th birthday, which is tomorrow, May 3.

There you have it: this is what I would do if I were President of these wonderful United States of America.

*If you enjoyed this column and want to help me distribute these editorial opinions to an ever-growing audience, donations may now be made by credit card, check, or Money Order. Use this link:

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/donate.php

© Chuck Baldwin

This column is archived as http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20080502.html


Poster Comment:

Baldwin has my vote as I'm sure, as evidenced by Juan McNAU's dismal showing again, he will have millions of others who simply can not and will not support the Establishment's selections...www.Baldwin2008.com is coming soon !

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#1. To: All, *Chuck Baldwin President 2008*, *Constitution Party*, *North American Union* (#0) (Edited)

Now, I hear people say, That's easy for you to say; you are not a candidate for President. Ah, but now I am.

Aside from our 4um resident Marxist-RATS, I believe Baldwin has the same America-loving-rugged-individualist-DNA as your average Freedom loving 4umer...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   11:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: FOH (#1)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-07   11:04:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: FOH (#0)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-07   11:05:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent, christine, TwentyTwelve, ALL FREEDOM LOVERS (#1)

pInG


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   11:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: FOH (#4)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-07   11:06:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TwentyTwelve (#2)

The GOP base is very quickly awakening to the trap that was set and executed against them and America. McTraitor can't even get 3 out of 4 Republican primary voters as the presumptive nominee. In fact, that clown was nominated by the CFR-media with help from RATS, Moderates and their equivalent within the GOP wing of the National CFR Party...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   11:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: FOH (#6)

The GOP base is very quickly awakening to the trap that was set and executed against them and America. McTraitor can't even get 3 out of 4 Republican primary voters as the presumptive nominee. In fact, that clown was nominated by the CFR-media with help from RATS, Moderates and their equivalent within the GOP wing of the National CFR Party...

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-07   11:09:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: FOH (#6)

The GOP base is very quickly awakening to the trap that was set and executed against them and America. McTraitor can't even get 3 out of 4 Republican primary voters as the presumptive nominee. In fact, that clown was nominated by the CFR-media with help from RATS, Moderates and their equivalent within the GOP wing of the National CFR Party...

26% OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS AGAINST MCCAIN IN NORTH CAROLINA...

22% GO AGAINST MCCAIN IN INDIANA...

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-07   11:10:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TwentyTwelve (#3)

The reason McHillObama were the selections put forth by the CFR was because all of them are on the same GloBAAList page of deconstructing America and all national sovereignty around the planet so that the new order for Unified Global Governance can be completed. And that means warring with those that won't go along with the program.

Baldwin is the anti-McHillObama.


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   11:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FOH (#9)

Baldwin is the anti-McHillObama.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-07   11:11:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: TwentyTwelve (#8)

26% OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS AGAINST MCCAIN IN NORTH CAROLINA...

22% GO AGAINST MCCAIN IN INDIANA...

Unfortunately most of them still voted for the Christian Socialist Stalking Horse warmonger Hucklebee...idiots !


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   11:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: FOH (#9)

Baldwin is the anti-McHillObama.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-07   11:12:52 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TwentyTwelve (#10)

You can't choose your parents, but you sure can choose the church you choose to get married in, raise your children in along with your personal, spiritual and political advisors...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   11:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: FOH (#13)

You can't choose your parents, but you sure can choose the church you choose to get married in, raise your children in along with your personal, spiritual and political advisors...

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-07   11:14:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: FOH (#0)

"If I were President"

IF I were a rich man Ya da da da da da da da da da da da

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-05-07   11:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TwentyTwelve (#12)


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   11:22:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: iconoclast (#15)


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   11:23:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: FOH (#17)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-07   11:27:11 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TwentyTwelve (#18)


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   11:29:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: FOH (#19)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-07   11:41:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: FOH (#19)

Breaking News--

McCain again calls for "comprehensive" amnesty plan.

Go here for details and see below:

http://www.grassfire.net/r.asp?U=6823&RID=13563057

Yesterday, John McCain re-introduced the word "comprehensive" back into his position on illegal immigration.

After spending months telling conservatives that he had "heard" them on illegal immigration, what lesson did John McCain really learn? In his own words:

"The lesson I learned from it is we've got to have comprehensive immigration reform." --John McCain, 5/5/08

Of course, those are code words for "amnesty." McCain made the statement during his day-long push to cater to the Latino vote. McCain also:

--said we need to treat illegals in a "humane and compassionate fashion" (more codespeak for "amnesty is coming")

--stated that the "tenor of the debate" on immigration has "harmed our image" (i.e. grassroots conservatives like you and me are the bad guys, not the illegal aliens)

--announced that he will be speaking at the La Raza annual meeting in July

Go here for my full analysis, as well as an excerpt from last night‚s Lou Dobbs show:

http://www.grassfire.net/r.asp?U=6824&RID=13563057

+ + Action Item: Call McCain and tell him you object Clearly, McCain is testing the waters by using "comprehensive" in his campaign address. Unless McCain gets feedback from citizens across the nation objecting to his clear move back to his original amnesty position, we can expect to hear more amnesty talk from the G.O.P. standard-bearer in the coming months.

Action: Call McCain and let him know you object to his re-introduction of a "comprehensive" (amnesty) into his campaign position on immigration.

McCain's D.C. Senate office: 202-224-2235

McCain for President phone number: 703-418-2008

Thanks so much for the stand you are taking!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-07   12:07:19 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: FOH (#0)

he will have millions of others who simply can not and will not support the Establishment's selections

How are you certain that he's not "the establishment's selection" ?

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation".

Vladimir Lenin

noone222  posted on  2008-05-07   12:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: noone222 (#22)

How are you certain that he's not "the establishment's selection" ?

How do I know that you aren't working for the Establishment ?


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   12:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TwentyTwelve (#21)

McCain Launches Spanish Web Site, Will Speak To La Raza
CBSNews, NY - May 5, 2008
In related news, McCain announced today that he will address La Raza, a liberal-leaning Latino group, in July. Politico's Jonathan Martin suggests that ...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   12:21:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: FOH (#23)

How do I know that you aren't working for the Establishment ?

That's my point ... you don't. [I'm not running for Prez].

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation".

Vladimir Lenin

noone222  posted on  2008-05-07   12:34:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: noone222 (#25)

That's my point ... you don't.

Unlike you, who just discovered Baldwin recently, I've been tracking him for many years.

I'm more comfortable supporting Baldwin than I ever was in supporting Ron Paul, but that's me...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   12:36:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: FOH (#26)

Unlike you, who just discovered Baldwin recently, I've been tracking him for many years.

I'm more comfortable supporting Baldwin than I ever was in supporting Ron Paul, but that's me...

I didn't say that I just discovered Baldwin recently. I said the he appeared to have recently taken a different position towards Israel.

I was on Baldwins e-mail list 4 or 5 years ago but unsubscribed because I didn't care for his Pro-Israel position.

Anyone claiming to be a pastor or a preacher that supports the existence of what we call "The State of Israel" is a liar, a fraud or an idiot and cannot be trusted to be a good President of the United States. He will be a zio-nazi hearing voices telling him to bomb Iran.

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation".

Vladimir Lenin

noone222  posted on  2008-05-07   12:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: noone222 (#27)

Seriously, you and I aren't going to agree on some things and this is the second time I've made a mental note to myself about it regarding Baldwin and you.

Honestly, take care and don't be offended (or be, it's up to you) when I ignore your posts...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   12:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FOH (#28)

Honestly, take care and don't be offended

I'm not offended. Baldwin's run at the Presidency could provide impetus for 3rd Party Candidates to run as large numbers of voters are so terribly dissatisfied by the offerings thusfar. I just don't think Baldwin is the right guy ... He's better than the rest if we simply judge him by what he has said. Of course we know politicians say lots of things while begging for votes and do just the opposite after they're elected.

Many Americans are terrified by fundamentalist preacher politicians that could turn out to hear voices like Bush claims, and I don't blame them.

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation".

Vladimir Lenin

noone222  posted on  2008-05-07   13:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: TwentyTwelve (#21)

If elected, McCain will be like the Emperor Honorius was with the Visigoths.

Honorius btw, was a total f-up in how he dealt with them.


From Two Party System... ...to Two Family System.

PnbC  posted on  2008-05-07   13:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: FOH (#0)

"If I were President"

Chuck, if you were President then even the most staunch of the two-party fraud apologists would be faced with the undeniable truth that the Republicrats and Democans are perpetrating a fraud upon the people of the United States. They would come together to destroy you, both politically and personally. The world would then see that the only things these people care about is money and power for themselves, their friends/families and their party's.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-07   14:00:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: noone222 (#27)

Anyone claiming to be a pastor or a preacher that supports the existence of what we call "The State of Israel" is a liar, a fraud or an idiot and cannot be trusted to be a good President of the United States. He will be a zio-nazi hearing voices telling him to bomb Iran.

Very well put, thank you! I especially like “zio-nazi hearing voices telling him to bomb Iran.”

I seriously believe that if we fuck with Iran, Russia is going to fuck with us.

karelian  posted on  2008-05-07   16:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: noone222, FOH (#27)

I was on Baldwins e-mail list 4 or 5 years ago but unsubscribed because I didn't care for his Pro-Israel position.

People change. Just because you've always been wise, doesn't mean the majority of Americans has.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-07   17:42:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeye (#33) (Edited)

People change. Just because you've always been wise, doesn't mean the majority of Americans has.

I can't claim to have been "always" wise ... but in the case of Baldwin, he has been a pastor for a long time with plenty of opportunity to study scripture. That scripture makes it perfectly clear that those calling themselves "Jews" have never been related to Abraham which is the basis upon which they claim the "Promised" land covenant that has us perched on the precipice of WW III.

Either Baldwin has been slack in his biblical duties as a pastor or he's knowledgeable and remains defiant of the facts for whatever reason.

He writes for News with Views and they are zionists. I would equate Baldwin with Glenn Beck. He covers a lot of issues correctly but when it comes to Israel ... both are flat out wrong, which wouldn't be so terrible if the genocide wasn't happening, and the tensions weren't bordering on a nuclear war.

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation".

Vladimir Lenin

noone222  posted on  2008-05-07   18:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: noone222 (#34)

Beck is hopeless. I'm watching to see where Baldwin goes. I think he mentioned the dichotomy between Americans defending Israel's security and our insecure borders in his acceptance speech, but I could be wrong.

We have much to worry about in terms of demographics right here at home. Of course that has nothing directly to do with Israel. It's worse.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-07   18:32:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: karelian (#32)

I seriously believe that if we fuck with Iran, Russia is going to fuck with us.

That possibility certainly exists. Our country is seen as a pariah doing what we accused others of doing in the past.

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation".

Vladimir Lenin

noone222  posted on  2008-05-07   19:43:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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