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Title: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag in trash; he's considering lawsuit
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Published: May 7, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-05-07 15:34:05 by Peppa
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A high school student says he may file a lawsuit against a physical education teacher who took a Mexican flag he had brought for Cinco de Mayo and put it in the garbage. Clint Straatman denies Froylan Camelo's version of events but said he took the flag Monday because "white kids" might have hurt the 16-year-old. He said he put it in a garbage can because he had no place else to keep it. Camelo said he was changing into gym clothes at Minico High School in Rupert when Straatman told him, "Give me the flag." "I said, 'What's the problem?'" Camelo, speaking in Spanish, told The Times-News of Twin Falls. "He said, 'The problem is that we are in the United States and not in Mexico.' He grabbed it from me. He threw the flag in the garbage can." Camelo said that Straatman told him the flag would be returned at the end of the school day, but that Straatman taunted him instead. "I asked, 'Where is my flag?'" Camelo said. "He said, 'What, the U.S. flag?' I said, 'No, the one for Mexico.' But he wouldn't give it to me." Camelo said he then took the undamaged flag out of the garbage. He said he's been contacted by the American Civil Liberties Union and is considering a lawsuit against Straatman. Camelo and others brought Mexican flags to the south-central Idaho school to celebrate Cinco de Mayo, the May 5 recognition of Mexico's victory over the French army on that day in 1862. About a third of the student body is Hispanic. Straatman denied saying the words Camelo attributed to him, and said the student may have misunderstood him because of his poor English skills. He said he took the flag from Camelo after Camelo had been waving it in the school gym, and denied withholding it later. "I had to confiscate it so it wouldn't escalate any problems in class," Straatman told The Times-News. "We're worried about that stuff all the time. We always have kids saying stuff to each other, and we have a lot of fights between kids." Scott Rogers, superintendent of the Minidoka County Joint School District, said an investigation has been started. He said he could not comment specifically about personnel decisions. "We believe in nondiscriminatory practices and cultural sensitivity," he said. "We train for that and talk about that. If there is a teacher making derogatory comments we don't approve of that. We also don't approve of a student disrupting the classroom." Rogers said he was at the school early Wednesday and that the school was quiet. He said he noticed a few students wearing clothing in the colors of the Mexican flag – red, white and green – in protest of Monday's incident.
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#3. To: Artisan (#2)
There used to be middle ground in disputes. Warnings, then Suspensions and reprimands, and a little letter out to all to mind the school rules and don't try it again. What's next? Firing squads? Let's see if a kid or a teacher want's to start the game again. No lawyers need apply.
What's "socialist" about not liking to see Mexican flags waved in the US? The real "socialists" are the ones who promote multiculturalism and open borders. Let the kid parade around a Mexican flag in Mexico if he wants to.
The American students should have beat that dirty little mexicon to death. Fuck him and his filthy turd-world nation.
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson that might be true but the idea of compulsory govt schools is inherently socialist. they dont want to educate kids, they want to make them amiable stupid slaves. But you already know that. it doesnt have to turn into a 'govt school vs open border proponents'. they all stink.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." Maybe the teacher didn't understand him.
So not only does the kid walk around the US waving a Mexican flag, he doesn't even have the decency to learn to speak English.
Also, the fact that a guy 'doesn't like' something does not give him the right to steal and destroy property under the color of govt authority. i bet some social workers wouldnt like some of the things you do. do you think they (again, like the teacher, holding color of authority granted to them by the state) have any right to meddle with you? i dont care what the state likes, their agents better not steal my property.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." I hear ya there, but you certainly can appreciate people's frustration with it all.
But open border proponents are relying on outrage from people like you to spin this issue in their favor. The kid couldn't even speak English, FCOL, and he's made out to be some kind of victim. Or would border patrol doing its job be "socialism" too?
I happen to think the state is so evil that it deserves to be sued and defeated at every opportunity. matter of fact i am in the beginning stages of working on a class action lawsuit to be filed this year. i have people from 4 counties pledged to sign on as plantiffs. the counties are breaking the law every day violating peoples due process rights in traffic courts. they will lose the case. I have beaten the state (city, county, respectively) in court 7 times without a lawyer. the state in most instances has a literal demonic insipired and tyranical agenda. this is a spiritual battle.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." I remember stories from last year where zillions of people who planned to skip work and school to attend Cinco de Mayo parades. Some were told by their employers, fine, but you'll have to schedule the day off with HR, and see if we can rearrange work schedules to accomodate you. The answer was FU, it's my holiday, and I'm not showing up. I don't have to call you, and you will pay me. They were told, if you don't schedule it, then we will assume you have quit and terminate you. Lot's of heated words back and forth, till a few employees called the bluff. They were fired. News crews showed up the next day to film the riot! Both protesters were on the news. What happened to the rest of them? Their positions were filled last I read.
Could be.
This case isnt about illegal immigration or speaking english. The govt encourages illegals while it builds detainment camps purportedly for the same millions it lets roam free. there is no law compelling anyone to speak english that i know of. bottom line, and the only thing that matters in this case: an agent of the state has no right to destroy your property because they dont like you or your ideas. state agents of any stripe are not your master. if someone came up to your son and stole his property you would rightly clock him and you know it.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." I don't think confiscating a kids flag is as bad as all that. School could've called the mom and said, hey, come pick up your kids flag here in the principals office. As for the sorry state of the state and the schools and the agenda and so forth...... it's certainly a big battle.
...which I suppose is just fine by you. Sorry, but watching the US turn into a Third World country bothers me a lot more than a rogue gym teacher.
I have a neighbor whose sidewalk in front of his house has a strip of land between the sidewalk and the street. the strip of land had only dirt on it and no grass. so the city 'code enforcement' came by and gave him a citation for not having grass or greenery on the strip. Like a dope, he paid the citation without realizing it was actually a misdemeanor charge. He now has a propation officer who visits him once a month because of his guilty plea. true story, he even showed me all the paperwork,. he's an ex gang member who had came clean got his life together and bought a home. the state is insane and pure demonic evil, on all levels, thats all their is to it. Never grant them anything,.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." I dont want the US to be like Mexico either. But that or anyones frustration with the govt does not give govt agents the right to violate yours or anyones rights or porperty. You cant seem to accept that they are two completely separate issues.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." Is the kid even a US citizen? Is he here legally? If not, we shouldn't even be talking about what "rights" he has.
a state agent stealing your property because they CAN, and because they dont like your ideas, is as bad as WACO.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." This'll probably piss you off but like it or not, people here illegally still have some rights of due process and civil rights, under our constitution and current law. look at the immigration appeals process, it's set up as a system with all sorts of protocol. and i dont know why you try to paint me as open border, because i'm not.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." ...which I suppose is just fine by you I dont care what language anyone speaks because its none of my business, just as its none of any strangers business what I speak. although when i am in a foreign country i do try to speak their lanmguage so that we can understand each other. that is just common sense. if i went to an american business and the person made no attempt to communicate i would go somewhere else.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." I hear you. I'm just focusing on the school. The gap in the story are the schools rules, and expectation of teachers. The system is broken, no argument here..
It used to be that classroom decorum would have clearly taken precedence over this Chinese rag stripped in Mexican colors in an American classroom. It's just another example of why private schools are the only acceptable alternative to home schooling today.
He's lucky it wasn't me. He would have gotten in back in itty bitty tiny pieces.
True.
Now see, that'd be destruction of property and soon you'd be a post-Turtle. ;)
In 1950, tiny pieces would have just been the beginning. How things have changed.
They sure have.
The country is essentially in ruins.
McCain to attend convention of 'reconquista' group WND ELECTION 2008 McCain to attend convention of 'reconquista' group Republican presidential candidate launches Spanish campaign website Posted: May 05, 2008 WASHINGTON – Sen. John McCain, the de facto Republican presidential nominee, announced today he will attend the national convention of La Raza, a radical Hispanic lobby tied to the movement to reconquer the Southwestern U.S. that was part of Mexico before the Mexican-American War that ended in 1848. The convention will be held in San Diego July 14.
Mr Straatman should have offered to hold Camelo by the feet as he dumpster dived in an attempt to recovery that POS.
WND ELECTION 2008 McCain to attend convention of 'reconquista' group Republican presidential candidate launches Spanish campaign website Posted: May 05, 2008 WASHINGTON – Sen. John McCain, the de facto Republican presidential nominee, announced today he will attend the national convention of La Raza, a radical Hispanic lobby tied to the movement to reconquer the Southwestern U.S. that was part of Mexico before the Mexican-American War that ended in 1848. The convention will be held in San Diego July 14. Theives.
That's bad.. I'm glad I went to school when I did. You wake up one day, and it was cool to help the crossing guard, and the next day you were the dork that helped the crossing guard. Fresh supply of dorks every day. Till, it was getting close to your turn again. Aaaaaaaah! Two days of dorkdom. Those were the days.
I'm with ya there.
Maybe the teacher didn't understand him. I was being facetious.
Amen to that.
Exactly.
Did I hear you're annoyed?
Ohhhhhhh. LOL!! Geeze.
Go back to Mexico since you love it so much you dumb f**k.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Things are so out of whack. We perhaps were never totally 'in whack', but this is crazy nuts. I come from a time when my parents actually said, please... go play on the freeway... I won't have to feed you anymore. Or, SURE! You CAN fly from the top of the garage... what we need to do, is tape some cardboard and foil to your arms. Start small and just fly into dads pickup. It was about that time, you think !!! COOOOOOOOOOOL, and then, heyyyyy wait a minute......... they are trying to keeeeeeeeeeell me... The good ol' days.......... ;)
ok, a state employee steals and destroys personal property and also is racially derisive. do you have any idea how many rules these state employes are required to follow? get the socialist @!#$ fired first of all, hes a public school teacher.... (who by definition deserve to be fired) sue and live it up for a couple months. press criminal charges for theft. if i were a lawyer id take the case, the aclu doesnt deserve the dough.
#4. To: Artisan (#2)
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get the socialist @!#$ fired first of all
#5. To: Peppa (#0)
#6. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#4)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#7. To: Peppa (#0)
"I said, 'What's the problem?'" Camelo, speaking in Spanish
#8. To: angle (#7)
#9. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#4)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#10. To: Artisan (#9)
#11. To: Artisan (#6)
it doesnt have to turn into a 'govt school vs open border proponents'. they all stink.
#12. To: Peppa (#3)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#13. To: X-15 (#5)
#14. To: angle (#7)
"I said, 'What's the problem?'" Camelo, speaking in Spanish Maybe the teacher didn't understand him.
#15. To: Rupert_Pupkin, angle (#11)
But open border proponents are relying on outrage from people like you to spin this issue in their favor. The kid couldn't even speak English, FCOL, and he's made out to be some
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#16. To: Artisan (#12)
I happen to think the state is so evil that it deserves to be sued and defeated at every opportunity. matter of fact i am in the beginning stages of working on a class action lawsuit to be filed this year. i have people from 4 counties pledged to sign on as plantiffs. the counties are breaking the law every day violating peoples due process rights in traffic courts. they will lose the case. I have beaten the state (city, county, respectively) in court 7 times without a lawyer. the state in most instances has a literal demonic insipired and tyranical agenda. this is a spiritual battle.
#17. To: Artisan (#15)
there is no law compelling anyone to speak english that i know of.
#18. To: angle (#10)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#19. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#17)
Sorry, but watching the US turn into a Third World country bothers me a lot more than a rogue gym teacher.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#20. To: Artisan (#19)
But that or anyones frustration with the govt does not give govt agents the right to violate yours or anyones rights or porperty
#21. To: Peppa (#16)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#22. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#20)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#23. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#17)
there is no law compelling anyone to speak english that i know of.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#24. To: Artisan (#21)
a state agent stealing your property because they CAN, and because they dont like your ideas, is as bad as WACO.
#25. To: Peppa, Artisan (#24)
#26. To: Peppa (#0)
#27. To: buckeye (#25)
It's just another example of why private schools are the only acceptable alternative to home schooling today.
#28. To: Turtle (#26)
He's lucky it wasn't me. He would have gotten in back in itty bitty tiny pieces.
#29. To: Peppa (#28)
#30. To: buckeye (#29)
In 1950, tiny pieces would have just been the beginning. How things have changed.
#31. To: Peppa (#30)
#32. To: Peppa (#0)
#33. To: Peppa, all (#0)
#34. To: TwentyTwelve (#32)
McCain to attend convention of 'reconquista' group
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
Mr Straatman should have offered to hold Camelo by the feet as he dumpster dived in an attempt to recovery that POS.
#36. To: Artisan (#12)
I happen to think the state is so evil that it deserves to be sued and defeated at every opportunity... this is a spiritual battle.
#37. To: Peppa (#14)
"I said, 'What's the problem?'" Camelo, speaking in Spanish
#38. To: Artisan (#15)
an agent of the state has no right to destroy your property because they dont like you or your ideas.
#39. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#20)
Is he here legally? If not, we shouldn't even be talking about what "rights" he has.
#40. To: Turtle (#26)
#41. To: angle (#37)
I was being facetious.
#42. To: Peppa (#0)
"I asked, 'Where is my flag?'" Camelo said
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#43. To: IndieTX (#42)
Go back to Mexico since you love it so much you dumb f**k.
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