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Title: Three Cheers for Barak Obama! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
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Published: May 7, 2008
Author: Arator
Post Date: 2008-05-07 19:38:37 by Arator
Keywords: Obama, Beats, BushClinton
Views: 11502
Comments: 328

He's done what no one expected or thought possible - he's driven a stake through the heart of the Clinton machine.

One crime family down, one to go. Bush-family proxy and crazed neocon Armageddonist, Senator John McCain, should be easy pickens.

Now, what's this I've heard about RP+Obama supporters no longer being entirely welcome by some 4um posters? Say it ain't so! ;^)

Tactical differences should not divide freedom-lovers. We share the same goals. So what if we disagree on how to get there?

Purist non-voters like JT and chrissy would never vote for Obama, even if their abstention results in the neo-fascist GOP remaining unpunished and in power.

Others (like me), find Obama to be an acceptable instrument for unleashing destructive wrath on the contemptable GOP (and their ranks of McCainiacal neo-con apocolypse-lusters).

Such disagreements shouldn't split this good forum. What unites us is far greater than what divides us, right?


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I love a good schismatic forum fight....only without the schism. ;^)

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#110. To: Old Fud (#105)

I thought they hated Jr. for reasons from the right.

I thought so too, but commies are sneaky buggers.

Tagline space for rent.

Critter  posted on  2008-05-07   22:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: X-15 (#108)

I won't call anybody who contemplates voting for Hussein Obama an asshole

I will. Only assholes knowingly support marxists and fascists.

Tagline space for rent.

Critter  posted on  2008-05-07   22:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Critter (#104)

So the assholes bought GWB's lies and now they are buying Obama's lies.

In his defense, Obama has not lied. He's very truthful about his nation building expansionist desires. It's his supporters that cast him as an peace loving isolationist.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-05-07   22:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Critter (#106)

Wise choice in not buying Obama's lies

don't worry. by election time I'll find an excuse to vote for Obama.

Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-05-07   22:19:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: IndieTX, christine (#76)

And the CULT is taking over the 4UM. Limiting bozos isn't going to save it.

Please refrain from calling it O4um as this greatly saddens Miss Christine...=)


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   22:20:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Pissed Off Janitor (#42)

Israel as our #1 ally in the ME is the current baseline. It's a statement of fact not a forward-looking statement.

POJ, since Vast here, has me proudly bozo'd, could you ask him what that means?

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-07   22:21:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Critter (#104)

Ron Paul is fond of quoting GWB's campaign promises when he ran in 2000, and reminding us that he ran on a HUMBLE foreign policy, NO nation building, and NOT being the policeman of the world.

So the assholes bought GWB's lies and now they are buying Obama's lies.

From everything I can tell (this ain't my 1st rodeo), 99% of the 4umOphiles that 'supported' RP's campaign are from the Liberal/Lefty/Progressive/Socialist/Communist world utopian roots of the CFR Party...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   22:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Red Jones (#101) (Edited)

Here's my latest thought that to me is key on Obama. He supports the ethanol subsidies and he supports their expansion as well. The ethanol subsidies are nothing but evil. Richard posted a story about them just a couple of days ago. The ethanol subsidies are going to kill tens of millions of people and that is obvious to anyone who looks carefully at them. As obama supports them, I don't see how I can vote for him.

Good point. Did any candidate other than Ron Paul oppose ethanol subsidies? With Iowa being the first caucus state, I bet they all sold out to that insanity.

I support Obama not because he is perfect (he's far from it). I support Obama because he and his party are slightly more sane than McCain and the GOP. McCain (and the party who voted for him) are crazy, potentially world- nuking/freedom- extinguishing/economy-collapsing crazy. When one candidate (and party) are that crazy, even a little bit more sanity can mean the difference between the survival of mankind and eminent globe-wide apocolypse. Hence, I cannot risk voting third party this time. The stakes are just too high.

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-07   22:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Phant2000 (#85)

And the CULT is taking over the 4UM. Limiting bozos isn't going to save it.

When you have a cancer, you cut it out or kill it; you don't try and live with it, hoping it will just go away.

If you don't, it kills you.

Bang-o-rama there phant2000.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-07   22:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Critter (#99)

In the background, he'd always play a parody of a hospital pa system announcement, "Dr. Camerada, please report to surgery, people are puking..."

That's what threads like these remind me of.

LOL!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-07   22:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Arator (#117)

it is perfectly logical & rational to vote for Obama as you described it.

I don't blame people for choosing to vote for Obama or for choosing to not vote for any of those 3.

Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-05-07   22:28:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Arator (#117)

I believe McCain didn't like the ethanol subsidy. He said it while in Iowa.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-07   22:28:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Critter (#111)

I won't call anybody who contemplates voting for Hussein Obama an asshole

I will. Only assholes knowingly support marxists and fascists.

I'm up to 15 filters as of this moment, primarily because I absolutely can not will not and shall not act as though these traitors in our midst are not complete flipping assholes, but have at it...

(what's really funny is the chickensh*t Establishment Lefty tools think it hurts my feelings - bwahahahaha)


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   22:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: FOH (#114)

thank you, FOH. ;)

christine  posted on  2008-05-07   22:31:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#121)

I believe McCain didn't like the ethanol subsidy. He said it while in Iowa.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. ;^)

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-07   22:32:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Arator (#117)

I support Obama because he and his party are slightly more sane than McCain and the GOP.

You expect someone like me, who's read your posts for approximately a decade, to believe you when you say that the CFR "Ds" are different from the CFR "Rs" ?

I believe it's you ObamaCONs' intellectual dishonesty in globbing onto the most Liberal CFR stoolie ever put forth...with all of these b.s. rationales that irks me the most.


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   22:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: FOH (#122)

I think you are a great debater. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-07   22:33:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: FOH (#122)

My feelings are hurt cuz I used to be bozoed 3 times, and now it's only 2. I must be slacking.

Tagline space for rent.

Critter  posted on  2008-05-07   22:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: X-15 (#108)

I genuinely feel sorry for them because Freedom4um has failed

it's not for lack of trying. we're talking 3+ yrs here too.

christine  posted on  2008-05-07   22:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Arator (#117)

I support Obama because he and his party are slightly more sane than McCain and the GOP.

I vehemently disagree, Hussein Obama and the Dems who control that party have PROMISED to destroy the Second Amendment. Dismantling any portion of the Bill of Rights is absolute insanity.

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

X-15  posted on  2008-05-07   22:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: christine (#123)

thank you, FOH. ;)

Don't mention it patriot babe ! :0


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   22:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: christine (#96) (Edited)

Christine: Spent some time the last couple nights reading about how things have changed on 4um and what you are considering for solution. My history on the net lends me to believe it is "just the season" (election season, that is).

However, as a result of the foul-mouthed participants and obvious moles, I could NOT help but explain what is so evident to me (and others who are here) to those who have not arrived at the same conclusion.

Ignorance is NOT bliss. If my statement can get just ONE person to commence thinking on his or her own, then I have planted a seed that may well grow.

Phant2000  posted on  2008-05-07   22:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: X-15, Christine (#129)

I vehemently disagree, Hussein Obama and the Dems who control that party have PROMISED

Your a closet bushbot, yes?

Xtine - see? Their countable.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-07   22:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#126)

I think you are a great debater. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

See, that's your problem. It's also generally the first thing you cranks do because by getting off into mental masturbation land, you think it diminishes the FACTS.

You support a:

Establishment Puppet

Infanticider

Gun Grabber

Racist

Marxist

Liberal

World Orderist whose campaign is steered by Zbig (might as well be Kissinger).

What else is there to talk about ?

All of your insulting rationalizations ?

You're all a bunch of losers, liars and punks. I just point it out and mock you all...and laugh as my filter # climbs up !!!


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   22:38:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: X-15 (#129) (Edited)

I vehemently disagree, Hussein Obama and the Dems who control that party have PROMISED to destroy the Second Amendment. Dismantling any portion of the Bill of Rights is absolute insanity.

In the last election, the Dems got smart and ran pro-2nd amendment candidates in red states...and they won. I don't think the national Dem party is gonna attempt to impose an urban ethos on rural America ever again. They know it is political suicide. They have wised up (while the GOP has dramatically dumbed down).

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-07   22:39:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#132)

Your a closet bushbot, yes?

Because someone understands that only NeoComms, like your guy BHO, make NeoCons possible...that's all you have is that anyone who calls things how they really are is a partisan for the other side of the cabal's National Party.

Are you REALLY this stupid ? *REALLY* ??

Y'all have embraced the curse...fools.


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   22:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#132)

Your a closet bushbot, yes?

Bite your tongue:

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

X-15  posted on  2008-05-07   22:43:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Arator (#134)

. I don't think the national Dem party is gonna attempt to impose an urban ethos on rural America ever again. They know it is political suicide. They have wised up

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Spin cycle!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-07   22:43:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: FOH (#133)

I am sorry, but I will NEVER bozolize you. When I wrote that your a great debater I mean it. I love how everything is logical even though intransigent. One thing always leads to another - amazing! - and, overall, I found your writing to be humorous, well-thought, principled, factful and varied. That's what makes you such a great debater and such a pleasure to read.

You never been a bushbot. Yes?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-07   22:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Arator (#134)

In the last election, the Dems got smart and ran pro-2nd amendment candidates in red states...and they won. I don't think the national Dem party is gonna attempt to impose an urban ethos on rural America ever again. They know it is political suicide. They have wised up (while the GOP has dramatically dumbed down).

Obama hasn't wised-up considering he's never owned a firearm, shot a firearm, gone hunting, or done anything except spit on gun-owners the whole time he was an Illinois state politician.

"Obama's Web site says: "He will protect the rights of hunters and other law- abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting" (emphasis ours).

Not, apparently, for you to protect your wife and children." Source: Obama Misfires On Concealed Carry, 4/4/2008, http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp? secid=1501&status=article&id=292204370724337

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

X-15  posted on  2008-05-07   22:49:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Peppa (#137)

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Spin cycle!

Spin cycle + Koolaid = one fucked up voter

;-)

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

X-15  posted on  2008-05-07   22:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#138)

Contents

The Manifesto is divided into an introduction, three substantive sections, and a conclusion.

Preamble

The introduction begins with the notable comparison of communism to a "spectre," claiming that across Europe communism is feared, but not understood, and thus communists ought to make their views known with a manifesto:

A spectre is haunting Europe—the spectre of Communism. All the Powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Czar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.

Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as Communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the Opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of Communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?[3]

I. Bourgeois and Proletarians

The first section, "Bourgeois and Proletarians", puts forward Marx's historical materialism, claiming that

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.
Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary re-constitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

The section goes on to argue that the class struggle under capitalism is between those who own the means of production, the ruling class or bourgeoisie, and those who labor for a wage, the working class or proletariat. Though the bourgeoisie has played a progressive role in destroying feudalism, according to Marx and Engels, it has also brought about the conditions for its own impending downfall by creating a contradiction within capitalism between the forces of production and the relations of production:

The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It ... has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment” ... for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation ... Constant revolutionizing of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones ... All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses, his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.

However:

The essential condition for the existence, and for the sway of the bourgeois class, is the formation and augmentation of capital; the condition for capital is wage-labour. Wage-labour rests exclusively on competition between the labourers.

II. Proletarians and Communists

The second section, "Proletarians and Communists," starts by outlining the relationship of conscious communists to the rest of the working class:

The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to other working-class parties.

They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole.
They do not set up any special principles of their own, by which to shape and mould the proletarian movement.
The Communists are distinguished from the other working-class parties by this only: 1. In the national struggles of the proletarians of the different countries, they point out and bring to the front the common interests of the entire proletariat, independently of all nationality. 2. In the various stages of development which the struggle of the working class against the bourgeoisie has to pass through, they always and everywhere represent the interests of the movement as a whole.

It goes on to defend communism from various objections, such as the claim that communists advocate "free love," and the claim that people will not perform labor in a communist society because they have no incentive to work.

The section ends by outlining a set of short-term demands. These included, among others, the abolition of both land ownership and of the right to inheritance, a progressive income tax, universal education, centralization of the means of communication and transport under state management, and the expansion of the means of production owned by the state. The implementation of these policies, would, the authors believed, be a precursor to the stateless and classless society.

One particularly controversial passage deals with this transitional period:

When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organized power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organize itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.

It is this concept of the transition from socialism to communism which many critics of the Manifesto, particularly during and after the Soviet era, have highlighted. Anarchists, liberals, and conservatives have all asked how an organization such as the revolutionary state could ever (as Engels put it elsewhere) "wither away."

In a related dispute, later Marxists make a separation between "socialism," a society ruled by workers, and "communism," a classless society. Engels wrote little and Marx wrote less on the specifics of the transition to communism, so the authenticity of this distinction remains a matter of dispute.

10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto

  1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

  2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
  3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
  4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
  5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

  6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
  7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

  8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
  9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

  10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c.[4]

According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism (but Marx and Engels later expressed a desire to modernize this passage[5]).

III. Socialist and Communist Literature

The third section, "Socialist and Communist Literature," distinguishes communism from other socialist doctrines prevalent at the time the Manifesto was written. While the harshness of Marx's and Engels' attacks varies, and their debt to "utopian socialists" such as Fourier, Proudhon, and Owen is acknowledged[citation needed], all rival views are eventually dismissed for advocating reformism and failing to recognize the key role of the working class. Partly because of Marx's critique, most of the specific ideologies described in this section became politically negligible by the end of the nineteenth century.

IV. Position of the Communists in Relation to the Various Existing Opposition Parties

The concluding section, "Position of the Communists in Relation to the Various Existing Opposition Parties," briefly discusses the communist position on struggles in specific countries in the mid-nineteenth century. It then ends with a call to action:

The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
Workers of the world, unite!

10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto

  1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

  2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
  3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
  4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
  5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

  6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
  7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

  8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
  9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

  10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c.[4]

According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism (but Marx and Engels later expressed a desire to modernize this passage[5]).

Please tell me which of the 10 planks you reject and why...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   22:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: X-15 (#139)

"Obama's Web site says: "He will protect the rights of hunters and other law- abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting" (emphasis ours).

Yeah, my firearms are all for hunting and target shooting. /s


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   22:55:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: X-15, Peppa (#140)

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Spin cycle!

Spin cycle + Koolaid = one fucked up voter


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   22:57:21 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#8)

Obama's eliminating the Clinton was a good thing. If he succeeds in getting us out of Iraq alone, it's at least $100 billion that we don't have saved every year and maybe 10,000 young and productive workers who won't die but pay taxes instead and consume like crazy to stimulate the economy.

If 'we' get out of the Middle East during your lifetime, then that was part of the plan. The CFR chose this war, they chose McHillObama and they have Globalist wars to fight as long as the people of America continue to play their stupid game.

Every time I read someone saying "they're all the same" I think of unbelievable intellectual laziness, lack of imagination and curiosity and/or willing surrender to worthless cliches.

Yeah, you ObamaCONs have so much intellectual power harnessed that you've fallen for an Establishment Zbig Marxist Globalist Tool...GENIUS !!

Obama has many qualities, of which his best is his not being a Clinton or a freaking Bush. He is intelligent, he seems to be a gentleman and he is not evil. We should always prefer non-evil people to the evil ones.

If you're approved by the CFR/Trilats, then you ARE pure evil. Your comments as such make you look stooooopidly-eeeevil...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   23:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#8)

I'll add that I believe you said you were 'kicked out of' a Marxist nation...which means you of all people should friggin know better.


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   23:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#12)

Did you even READ what I wrote before replying to it? Did you THINK about about what I wrote? Have you MEDITATED and ANALYZED the deep wisdom emanating from my writing.

I am asking because you managed to 'read' my post and then write and post your reply in 57 (FIFTY-SEVEN) seconds - look at the time of my posting and the time your reply was ready - 57 seconds later.

buckeye puts you ObamaCONs to shame in the intellect, honesty and comprehension Depts...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   23:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#22)

It would be interesting to count how many of the current Obamophobes continue to be Bushbots at heart.

No sale, most that I know here have been holding back for festivities should another lucky pretzel get REALLY lodged in the Chimperor's breathing passage...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   23:11:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: FOH, buckeye (#146)

Buckeye was very polite to wait 57 seconds to call BS ;-)

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

X-15  posted on  2008-05-07   23:12:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: FOH (#147)

With all the mexicons using Bush's throat for prison-style target practice it'll take a large pretzel to close up that gaping hole...

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

X-15  posted on  2008-05-07   23:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: TwentyTwelve (#32)

Obama, Clinton, and McCain are all part of the same agenda.

I do find it fascinating how the Establishment operates as I can this time sit back and watch it all from afar...the CFR brands this year are nothing short of bald faced World Socialists and that's being conservative in my description.


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-07   23:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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